What if Liverpool win the league this year?

He would have been money with us. We have a excellent core of young players that Klopp needs in his system. In Shaw, Martial, Rashford, CBJ, Januzaj, Pereira, Tofu - Klopp would have acquired a really talented bunch of youngsters to hone.
Ok,so again, it's different than 13/14 in that he is truly a world class mgr. I always thought the other shoe would drop that season and it did. I've thought we've had a good chance this season for the last few weeks.
We just don't look like losing anytime soon.
 
Fans will get impatient, especially if the likes of Coutinho leave the club.

You were the one that was banging on about Coutinho being a 'one trick pony' and you also said Firmino was slow. Obviously you know nothing about football!

So if that's the case why would anyone even be interested in buying him then?
 
You were the one that was banging on about Coutinho being a 'one trick pony' and you also said Firmino was slow. Obviously you know nothing about football!

So if that's the case why would anyone even be interested in buying him then?
And I haven't changed my mind. Both players are in good form at the minute but good form doesn't last forever. Eventually the quality in your side will shine through and looking at the squad on paper, it's just a bunch of midtable players really. It'll only take one loss to break your momentum and send the team into panic mode. Happens every time with Liverpool.
 
And I haven't changed my mind. Both players are in good form at the minute but good form doesn't last forever. Eventually the quality in your side will shine through and looking at the squad on paper, it's just a bunch of midtable players really. It'll only take one loss to break your momentum and send the team into panic mode. Happens every time with Liverpool.

ah ok well you should know all about mid table players at the moment.

You are still suggesting someone may buy him and that he isn't that good - firstly that doesn't make sense & secondly you obviously haven't been watching recent games.

Explain to me in detail - you might need to go and think for a bit - why Firmino is slow and why Coutinho is a one trick pony?
 
Rodgers went completely loopy, signed Balotelli and Lambert and completely sacrificed the style of football that had gotten the team so far in 13/14.
Balotelli is scoring goals every week now. Benteke is not doing too bad either. So maybe that says more about Liverpool than those individuals.

Liverpool always do that anyway. They replaced a pacey striker in Owen with Peter Crouch. They replaced Torres with Andy Carroll. And then finally they replaced Suarez with Balotelli. Liverpool and slow "target men" don't go together.
 
ah ok well you should know all about mid table players at the moment.

You are still suggesting someone may buy him and that he isn't that good - firstly that doesn't make sense & secondly you obviously haven't been watching recent games.

Explain to me in detail - you might need to go and think for a bit - why Firmino is slow and why Coutinho is a one trick pony?
How so? It's clear to everyone that our squad is underperforming at the minute. On paper, we have one of the strongest starting 11's in the league. Liverpool's starting 11 visually looks no stronger than the likes of Everton or West Ham.

Personally I couldn't see Coutinho getting into a Barca or Madrid side. But someone like PSG might be interested.
 
How so? It's clear to everyone that our squad is underperforming at the minute. On paper, we have one of the strongest starting 11's in the league. Liverpool's starting 11 visually looks no stronger than the likes of Everton or West Ham.

Personally I couldn't see Coutinho getting into a Barca or Madrid side. But someone like PSG might be interested.

You still aren't answering my questions.
 
He would have been money with us. We have a excellent core of young players that Klopp needs in his system. In Shaw, Martial, Rashford, CBJ, Januzaj, Pereira, Tofu - Klopp would have acquired a really talented bunch of youngsters to hone. In Schneridelin, Blind, Herrera - he would have had a midfield that could press and win the ball back as he likes. De Gea, Smalling and Valencia would have formed the core of his defensive set-up. He would have added a mixture of 4-5 young and experienced players to the squad and would have us running.

The ability to spend big is not a prerequisite at United, it is a more of a necessity with the managers we have hired.
I wouldn't have Klopp over Mourinho anyway. It's all good having fancy systems but I want to see United win trophies. And Mourinho has a much better record of doing that than Klopp who choked in his last five finals and ironically enough, left Borussia Dortmund in a state during his final season... A similar state that Mourinho left Chelsea in and Ironically enough, every Liverpool fan will be quick to remind you of that one.
 
Liverpool aren't a problem. They might win it. They do have certain advantages but it's still early in the season...
 
Not sure he sacrificed it. I'd say he simply wasn't able to play it anymore with the players you mentioned. .
That's just not true. The set of players who couldn't buy a goal under Rodgers became the most prolific side in the league in the second half of the season under Klopp.

Rodgers became an incredibly defensive manager over his final year. In his last season, fullbacks mostly stayed back and our midfielders rarely broke between the lines despite being able to run all day. He went full Houllier, except he still couldn't keep a clean sheet.

I think the Stoke result broke him. Everything from there was done from fear of avoiding something like that again, once he realised how fragile his side was.
 
How so? It's clear to everyone that our squad is underperforming at the minute. On paper, we have one of the strongest starting 11's in the league. Liverpool's starting 11 visually looks no stronger than the likes of Everton or West Ham.
Pure delusion.
 
You still aren't answering my questions.
You only have to watch them to see what I mean. Firmino isn't a quick player and that shows when he played out wide a few times. He looks quite sluggish to me at times. He has a few tricks in his locker but the majority of his goals are scrappy.

Coutinho scores the same goal all the time and when that doesn't work out, he goes missing. He's in good form right now but for a good while, he would score one goal and then go missing for about 5 games. Funnily enough, he seems to struggle scoring from close range at times and normally ends up shooting it straight into the keepers hands.

I'm a fan of Suarez's and enjoyed watching him whilst at Liverpool, so it's not Liverpool bias. Just saying it like it is.
 
It really should happen again some day unfortunately. Which other club out there have gone 26 years without winning it's national league having won it 18 times previously? It's also insane looking at Liverpool's achievements over the past 52 years, splitting them into two 26 year periods, the first where they won everything numerous of times, and then the sudden drop over the last 26 years.

Liverpool's major trophies (1964-1990):
League titles (13): 63/64, 65/66, 72/73, 75/76, 76/77, 78/79, 79/80, 81/82, 82/83, 83/84, 85/86, 87/88, 89/90
FA Cups (4): 64/65, 73/74, 85/86, 88/89
League Cup (4): 80/81, 81/82, 82/83, 83/84
European Cups (4): 76/77, 77/78, 80/81, 83/84
UEFA Cups (2): 72/73, 75/76

Liverpool's major trophies (1990-2016):
League titles (0):
FA Cup (3): 91/92, 00/01, 05/06
League Cups (4): 94/95, 00/01, 02/03, 11/12
CL titles (1): 04/05
UEFA Cups (1): 00/01

So they've gone from winning 27 major trophies to winning just 9 in the last 26 years, and no league titles. I can't think of another club with a decline like that. Hopefully it isn't us in the future, and hopefully Klopp won't be the messiah.
 
Pure delusion.
How? We have a world class goalkeeper, a world class number 9 and the best young centre midfielder in the world. The team we last won the league with was a lot worse on paper than this one. Even Leicester's wasn't as strong as ours this season.

It'll take a while for it to gel properly. Klopp had a year remember and he wasn't winning every week like he is now. Mourinho's had about 3 months. It's unfair to compare. Squad morale and team spirit is everything.
 
If they win it.....They'll be the PL WINNERS for 2016/17. What's your point?
 
You only have to watch them to see what I mean. Firmino isn't a quick player and that shows when he played out wide a few times. He looks quite sluggish to me at times. He has a few tricks in his locker but the majority of his goals are scrappy.

Coutinho scores the same goal all the time and when that doesn't work out, he goes missing. He's in good form right now but for a good while, he would score one goal and then go missing for about 5 games. Funnily enough, he seems to struggle scoring from close range at times and normally ends up shooting it straight into the keepers hands.

I'm a fan of Suarez's and enjoyed watching him whilst at Liverpool, so it's not Liverpool bias. Just saying it like it is.

Absolute rubbish. Firmino is both quick and quick in thinking too, his hold up play is good, his movement, team work and link up play are first class.
He scores goals and sets them up for others too. Clearly you are clueless about him.

Your Coutinho comments seem to refer to him cutting in onto his right and scoring a cracking goal - well that is some trick! To say he scores the same goals is laughable!
He has been inconsistent but you obviously haven't seen much of him this season, his pace, passing, vision and team play have been sublime.
He scores goals (different types), and has a real creative influence on the team.

You are just too biased and childish to have an open mind about it.
 
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How? We have a world class goalkeeper, a world class number 9 and the best young centre midfielder in the world. The team we last won the league with was a lot worse on paper than this one. Even Leicester's wasn't as strong as ours this season.

It'll take a while for it to gel properly. Klopp had a year remember and he wasn't winning every week like he is now. Mourinho's had about 3 months. It's unfair to compare. Squad morale and team spirit is everything.
Your starting 11 is good but not as good as you think, mostly for reasons of balance.

We are also miles better on paper than the likes of West ham and Everton.

Pogba is only nine months younger than Coutinho. A bird in the hand and all that.

There is plenty to work with. But I think by the time you get the rest in place, Zlatan goes to the glue factory. Don't think he will be more than a big name who played for you in a transitory period.
 
Tinted glasses off, so far they deserve to win it. They've played the best football and been consistent. Long way to go though, we'll see how they do when they have a bad patch.
 
Absolute rubbish. Firmino is both quick and quick in thinking too, his hold up play is good, his movement, team work and link up play are first class.
He scores goals and sets them up for others too. Clearly you are clueless about him.

Your Coutinho comments seem to refer to him cutting in onto his right and scoring a cracking goal - well that is some trick! To say he scores the same goals is laughable!
He has been inconsistent but you obviously haven't seen much of him this season, his pace, passing, vision and team play have been sublime.
He scores goals (different types), and has a real creative influence on the team.
He probably also bemoans how defenders keep falling for Robbens one trick. It's a meaningless critique.
 
Thought that Citeh would stop them form winning it. Now I'm not sure. Citeh have too many oldish palyers and they cannot play well twice a week. Silva and Fernandinho, for instance, were poor vs Boro. Citeh can't match Liverpool's energy. Still early days though, too early to worry about who's going to win the league.
 
How? We have a world class goalkeeper, a world class number 9 and the best young centre midfielder in the world. The team we last won the league with was a lot worse on paper than this one. Even Leicester's wasn't as strong as ours this season.

It'll take a while for it to gel properly. Klopp had a year remember and he wasn't winning every week like he is now. Mourinho's had about 3 months. It's unfair to compare. Squad morale and team spirit is everything.

Think you have some great players with the possibility of being right up there but your team isn't a team right now and that is down to mourinho.

Forget about Klopp and look at Conte, he's been with Chelsea and has had the same time as mourinho yet Chelsea are playing with their managers vision. These same Chelsea players that played under mourinho and didn't look like they could beat an egg.

You can shout about being the best team in paper all you like. Fact is, mourinho is coming out with stuff already. Some players don't want to die for the shirt, it's a mare for me in Manchester etc. Think most opposition fans thought he come out with this kind of comment in year 2/3. I would guess even some utd fans thought the same.

I also noticed you commented about mourinho and klopps failure at Chelsea and bvb. Yes, both had difficult seasons but only one made any semblance of a recovery.

Back on topic, I make Chelsea favourites and Liverpool a top four candidate only before you cry foul and shout delusion. I think utd are still in it btw but you need to get your act together sharpish.
 
Your starting 11 is good but not as good as you think, mostly for reasons of balance.

We are also miles better on paper than the likes of West ham and Everton.

Pogba is only nine months younger than Coutinho. A bird in the hand and all that.

There is plenty to work with. But I think by the time you get the rest in place, Zlatan goes to the glue factory. Don't think he will be more than a big name who played for you in a transitory period.

That's fair. Our squad is nowhere near as good as plenty on here seem to think, with the horrible balance of it being a huge factor.
 
If they win, they deserve it. Full stop. I have more concern about our own club's situation now than Liverpool.
 
Balotelli is scoring goals every week now. Benteke is not doing too bad either. So maybe that says more about Liverpool than those individuals.

Liverpool always do that anyway. They replaced a pacey striker in Owen with Peter Crouch. They replaced Torres with Andy Carroll. And then finally they replaced Suarez with Balotelli. Liverpool and slow "target men" don't go together.
Problem for Rodgers is he went away from his key core principles and brought in forwards like Lambert and Balotelli. In his time at Liverpool he went from a possesion based style of play to a more counter-attacking one which he implemented from Jan 13 onwards with the signings of Coutinho and Sturridge, when you look at that 18 month period for us that side had pace, movement and excellent 1v1 ability.

In 14/15 he was left with two target men up top, he completely abandoned what had worked so successfully for him and decided to play with a target man despite having no clue how to get the best out of one i.e. crosses in to the box, MF runners picking up second balls/knockdown, MF runners beyond the striker etc. Summer 15 he brings in another target man as his primary striker signing and once again fails to get the best out of him. He would have gotten more time if there was a semblance, a hint of a style of play coming in to motion, but there wasnt the result of what he did is literally build a squad geared towards pressing, movement, 1v1 talents and pacy runners in behind and then stick a big lad up front, no wonder it was so impotent.

You cant even point to the TC/Rodgers disconnect because thats negated by the fact he still failed to set up the system for his signing, it might not have worked but showing the fans/board he had a plan but just needed more efficient working parts would have bought him more time. But he couldnt do that because he didnt know how to set up that way. His best run of form post 13/14 was the 3-4-2-1, it gave him the stability at the back by virtue of numbers that he couldnt get with a back 4, once again he had issues between what he wanted, he had two defenders dropping deep in Johnson and Skrtel and two pushing up in Lovren and Moreno, with an ageing Gerrard in front.

Dont get me wrong, behind all the ridiculous stuff he says theres a talented coach in there, he just needs to implement a core style of play and iron out his defensive defeciencies.
And as for Benteke and Balo doing well elsewhere, yeah no shit playing in a team that plays to your strengths and a system geared to maximise them will do that.

As for your other posts about Klopp Firmino et al, I wont bother with, everyones entitled to an opinion.
 
It will bother me less than my son's GCSE results = Perspective.

With the cash we are spending, we WILL be back, just a case of when.
 
It will bother me less than my son's GCSE results = Perspective.

With the cash we are spending, we WILL be back, just a case of when.
we've already spent half a billion, sometimes you need to acknowledge that flashing the cash isn't the only solution. There are many things wrong with the core of our club that will not be solving by pumping £100m+ on players every summer, surely that's extremely obvious by now?
 
Doesn't matter what team they have. They haven't won the league in 26 years. They've had a lot of world class players come and go during that time period... Torres, Suarez, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard, Reina, Owen... none of them could win the league. I doubt this current crop will do it when those guys couldn't.

I think the club is just cursed to be honest.
Actually I feel it's a matter of time before they win it. They've maintained their position around the top end of the table which coupled with their strong brand/following based on past success means that they are capable of making a title charge given the right environment and them of course getting it right. Both of these things happened in 2009 and 2014, but thankfully they just fell short. What also makes me feel that it's somewhat inevitable is that we don't quite have a dominant team in English football anymore like United under SAF or Bayern or Barca in the other leagues. So if they do get it right their chances of finishing top aren't terrible.

This year I fancy City to win the league. But Liverpool have got a decent chance as well. Klopp has done a terrific job so far.
 
we've already spent half a billion, sometimes you need to acknowledge that flashing the cash isn't the only solution. There are many things wrong with the core of our club that will not be solving by pumping £100m+ on players every summer, surely that's extremely obvious by now?


Sooner or later we will buy a wc player/or 2/3 who will have the balls to take the league by the scruff of the neck.

Happened with Citeh/Blackburn/PSG/Chelsea etc etc etc, will happen with us.

Never said it was the only solution, but its the most successful one.

@RedMouse (sorry only way i can answer, out of posts)

In respect of money ruining the game?

We bought Robbo in 1980 - Real bought........

Nothing has changed, only figures. LFC dont complain when they rape Southampton every summer?
 
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we've already spent half a billion, sometimes you need to acknowledge that flashing the cash isn't the only solution. There are many things wrong with the core of our club that will not be solving by pumping £100m+ on players every summer, surely that's extremely obvious by now?
Agree. We're all a bit obsessed with transfers being the solution to every problem. For me the key is management. If Jose is the right man for the job then we will be back on track soon and if not, the next who is the right fit, will.
 
I'll be gutted. Then I'll laugh because Gerrard missed the boat. Then I'll be gutted again.
 
Sooner or later we will buy a wc player/or 2/3 who will have the balls to take the league by the scruff of the neck.

Happened with Citeh/Blackburn/PSG/Chelsea etc etc etc, will happen with us.

Never said it was the only solution, but its the most successful one.

Yeah but it's bloody boaring
 
That's just not true. The set of players who couldn't buy a goal under Rodgers became the most prolific side in the league in the second half of the season under Klopp.

Rodgers became an incredibly defensive manager over his final year. In his last season, fullbacks mostly stayed back and our midfielders rarely broke between the lines despite being able to run all day. He went full Houllier, except he still couldn't keep a clean sheet.

I think the Stoke result broke him. Everything from there was done from fear of avoiding something like that again, once he realised how fragile his side was.
Some of them did, but Balotelli and Lambert were never going to be the strikers we needed to replace the goals Suarez used to get.

I don't think Rodgers was defensive in 14/15. We still tried to play an attacking game but we weren't anywhere near as effective due to Suarez leaving and Sturridge being injured all season. Having Balotelli and Lambert as our striking options allowed teams to push higher up the pitch because they knew we were less likely to try and get in behind them. I think I agree about the Stoke result though. Everything looked like it had fallen apart around him at that point. The defeat to Villa in the FA Cup semi-final was pretty awful as well. No one played well that day and Rodgers had no answers.

I was dreading games at the start of last season.
 
Any club that has players that play more directly (incisive passes AND running off the ball) will always speed up the play and have a better chance to receive the ball facing the opposition goal.

Those teams will always stand a good chance of winning the league come May. If Liverpool fits that description then so be it. They'll more than likely get most decisions going their way as the attacking team, will probably win more penalties (due to more penetration :nono:) and more chances or shots on/off target.

Characteristically, Liverpool will hopefully contrive to screw it up before the season is out, especially with their defensive frailties, but right now: Klopp looks like he's "managing" to do a hell of a lot more with a hell of a lot less … I'm a Jose fan but Klopp was always my first choice, I was never enthusiastic about the (re)purchase of Pogba (especially at that price) but am 100% behind all our player and managerial acquisitions now they're done and dusted!

Just fecking make it work Jose … and quick!

Still think my Barry Manilow, Cococabana chant is the solution to "pep" Jose up a bit … but meh!%$@?