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With Zirkzee and Yoro done a partner for Mainoo has to be the next priority.
Agree, we need a top class midfielder to paly 40 games alongside Mainoo, then we need another CBWith Zirkzee and Yoro done a partner for Mainoo has to be the next priority.
Still need a first-choice striker, a first-choice holding midfielder, a backup midfielder, a backup right back, and a starting central defender.
This is assuming that we're looking to sell Lindelof, AWB, and McTominay.
I think we will sell a lot more players than fans think?De Ligt, Rabiot and Ugarte will make it a top window. We sign a good mix of experience and emerging talent.
Midfield options- Bruno, Mount, Eriksen, Mainoo, Ugarte, Rabiot and Hannibal
Sell - Scott, Casemiro, Lindelof
Loan - Amad
Because he's more of a winger. And super tiny. Might be too light for Premier League.Why are we seemingly not trying to get Frimpong who is available for Zirkzee money?
Might be perfect in a 343 or 4231 with play making right winger like Amad or Sancho that slide him in, means that we would have to make sure the double pivot is more defensively minded and I’m not sure Kobbie just yet suits that formation but it could work?Because he's more of a winger. And super tiny. Might be too light for Premier League.
I think we will sell a lot more players than fans think?
Dan Ashworth has obviously been looking at this and has probably decided with Wilcox and Berada that they should concentrate on easy outgoings like those listed below, yes they’d like to get rid of Antony and Sancho for £60-70m combined but no one is playing their wages, I also think and I maybe wrong that Wilcox convinced ETH to make peace with Sancho as he had him and J Frimpong as his main right side when he managed City under 18’s and knows them both well and together how good they are.
Wilcox who seems to get on well with ETH probably said look at times we need to change shape and formation and if we get you J Frimpong who ETH loves, you’ll see the best of J Sancho. We need him playing if we are going to sell him and he’s miles better than Antony.
Players Sold:
S Mctominay - £30m/65k
Hanibal - £12m /25k
F Pellistri - £15m/25k
AWB - £18m/90k
V Lindelof - £10m/120k
Casemiro - £15m/350k
This is realistic and if you add this to the £40m the club has currently generated by selling W Kambawla, M Greenwood, DVB, A Fernandez and more importantly the wages saved on all those players plus Martial, B Williams and R Varane, the club should generate £140m of player sales and probably more importantly £50m of cash for this summers transfers and agent fees plus reduce the weekly wage bill by £1.575m per week that’s a saving of £81.9m per season before we add new players .
So Far we’ve probably used £40m of cash and we are working with maybe no more than £150m providing we sell well, remember if we sold in SA they normally pay upfront in one instalment.
Players Bought;
Joshua Zirkzee £36m/95k per week on 4 year instalments £9m of cash this summer plus Agent Fees of £11m
(£20m cash used for this transfer)
Lenny Yoro £44m/110k per week on a 4 year installments £10.5m of cash this summer plus estimated Agent Fee £4.5m
(£16m Cash used for this transfer)
Dan Ashworth is a football Director who understands PSR/FFP and all aspects of football finances as does Berada, Wilcox and more importantly our new CFO, Roger Bell. SJR made a payment of approximately £120m to be used to pay off some of the club’s credit card facility to free up working capital to improve the squad. Selling homegrown players like Scott McTominay and Mason Greenwood allow the club to generate 100% profit from these players and potentially spend £300m providing they have the working capital and cash to pay the selling clubs and agree to pay these clubs in instalments rather than upfront payments, this is why a player like J Neves will sign for PSG rather than United because they will pay upfront cash in the same way city tend to. Just a rough guess of the club was to have a ridiculously good window which means selling all the above players listed and then purchasing the following players ;
M Ugarte - Loan Obligation to buy £6m/160k wages
M De Ligt - £40m/190k wages
J Frimpong - £34m/160k wages
A Rabiot - Free/200k wages
I Toney - 45m/200k wages
This would be a combined Spend Gross of £205m or £65-70m net spend and the wages would still be reduced by £400-500,000 per week before the 25% Europa clause is added this season. We might find that if we do sell this well then a few low cost younger players are added to the squad and under 21’s as well.
Let’s be honest here, Adrien Rabiot may just be using the club again so we may keep Amrabat or sign a young DM that we’ve never heard of , Ivan Toney may just be a pipe dream but he may have also been told to wait until we’ve sold players
To make room in the squad for him.
If someone had said United would sign Zirkzee, Yoro, De Ligt, Frimpong, Ugarte, Rabiot and Toney this summer a few months ago, most fans would have said; “What are you smoking?” But now something like this could genuinely happen and for less than £100m net spend?
Toney will be left to the last day of the window and all those clubs will be I. With a cheeky £30-35m bid?I would be staggered if we can manage to negotiate loan deal for Ugarte, hope we have told Toney that but all I am seeing is no interest from Utd/Arsenal/Chelsea. There seems to be a feeling amongst some that Frimpong doesn't defend enough to be replacement for AWB. Yeah Rabiot is a tough one to read but we should at least speak to him.
Midfield is still very light to me. Can't really trust Casemiro, Eriksen or Mctominay. Wide attacking positions are also a concern but I think we'll just have to gamble on Rashford, Sancho and Antony coming good.
Lets throw some names out there. if Ugarte, Neves and Zubamendi cost too much, what are the alternatives? Which midfielder, linked or not, would be someone you'd like to see at United that is a realistic option?
Angel Gomes as a backup no.8 anyone?
Yes.Angel Gomes as a backup no.8 anyone?
Depends what sort of midfield profile, are you talking about a DM or more of a deep lying playmaker
No, but he wouldn't cost more than 20 million euros I guess, since his contract is up in 2025. Also we have a good relationship with Lille now.Did we include a buyback of any type in that deal?
Well we need both.
In:
Ugarte €45m
De ligt €50m
Rabiot (free)
Full back.
Out:
Eriksen €5m
Maguire €30m
Mctominay €25m
AWB €20m
Ins
Kadıoğlu
De Ligt
Zubimendi
Sverre Nypan loan back to Rosenberg
Amrabat or Gudio Rodriquez (still available free transfer)
Outs
Mctominey
Casimero
AWB
Antony
Maguire
Lindelof
---------------OnanaWhat is our strongest XI currently without any more signings or sales?
I keep in mind that we won our last 3 matches with Fernandes as the false 9
Pretty much this in order of priority.We still need a starting DM to replace Casemiro, and backup CB(to replace Maguire/Lindelof), backup CM(to replace McT/Eriksen), and backup FB(to replace AWB).
Would put the backup FB as top priority, so we can finally sell AWBPretty much this in order of priority.
I see where you're coming from but in my opinion it is the least important position and would rather improve our spine first. Even if Casemiro comes good this season he can't play so many games.Would put the backup FB as top priority, so we can finally sell AWB
I think we have to forget the notion of challenging for the title for another few seasons just yet. We are building a future team, not one for right now.we've had a lot of talk about whether or not we should be adding a forward other than Zirkzee given we would have him, Rasmus, Garnacho, Rashford, Amad, Pellestri
i just don't think we have the quality in that group to score enough goals to fight for the league title
now take that into account and look at liverpool who have Nunez, Salah, Diaz, Gakpo, Jota who is clearly a better attacking group than we have YET they are heavily linked with Japanese star Takefusa Kubo for 71m
we've had a lot of talk about whether or not we should be adding a forward other than Zirkzee given we would have him, Rasmus, Garnacho, Rashford, Amad, Pellestri
i just don't think we have the quality in that group to score enough goals to fight for the league title
now take that into account and look at liverpool who have Nunez, Salah, Diaz, Gakpo, Jota who is clearly a better attacking group than we have YET they are heavily linked with Japanese star Takefusa Kubo for 71m
i'd be looking at guys like Wirtz, Nico, Xavi Simmons, Mathys Tel, DoueWho should be added do you think?