Westminster Politics

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"Just lay down, be poor and stop enjoying yourself! Think of the economy!"
"What we're facing now is that reluctance to accept that, yes, we're all worse off and we all have to take our share; to try and pass that cost onto one of our compatriots and saying: 'We'll be alright, but they will have to take our share too'.

"All" is doing a lot of heavy fecking lifting there.

Once again an "economist" trying to argue that entrenching the most vulnerable in poverty is their predefined role in society. The comparison between poor and rich as equally taking the brunt of covid and covid inflation is fecking appalling
 
I don't see that she accomplished anything. She attacked him and she defended himself like the sneaky cnutish weasel he is. She didn't say anything new and even made him a favour with the inflation data. This despicable human being went out unscathed and he will continue destroying the UK
 
I don't see that she accomplished anything. She attacked him and she defended himself like the sneaky cnutish weasel he is. She didn't say anything new and even made him a favour with the inflation data. This despicable human being went out unscathed and he will continue destroying the UK

If more journalists called out the bullshit we may see a difference, one person calling him out on GB News isn't going to change any minds of views who watch that news channel. The problem has been he and others have been spouting their lies all of the time without being called out.
 
This is simply brilliant.



Compared to most British journalists who let the politicians get away with anything without challenge, at least she did have a mild go. 3/10.

JRM is slow witted, a liar and charlatan who is not well informed either. He let himself be wide open to be attacked on the SPS checks, the CPTTP and the other trade deals, inflation etc and many other things but either she didn''t have the knowledge to completely take him apart or was too scared, it was only a mild prod. She seemed more interested in Roald Dahl. Need some journalists or even other politicians with a backbone to really hold these people to account.
 
Braverman says people coming to UK illegally have ‘values at odds with our country’ as MPs prepare to debate illegal migration bill
Good morning. MPs will debate the illegal migration bill for the final time today before it goes to the Lords. The report stage debate is where significant amendments get passed and Suella Braverman, the home secretary, has already tabled amendments to make the bill even more draconian (and potentially even more incompatible with international law), as a concession to the Tory right. (Concession is probably the wrong word; Braverman is the Tory right, and although Rishi Sunak may have needed some persuading to accept these, she didn’t.) The key one would allow the government to ignore interim injunctions from the European court of human rights (like the one used to block the first flight carrying migrants to Rwanda).

Conservative “moderates” have also been pushing for their own amendments to the bill. They have having less success with the Home Office, but in some respects they are in a better negotiating position than the anti-migrant hardliners. (If the “moderates” line up with the opposition, they could defeat the government; but hardliners don’t have parliamentary allies, and can’t win votes without government support.) Ministers may offer them something later. As Eleni Courea writes in the London Playbook briefing, two amendments are being discussed.

The government was tied up in talks yesterday over two amendments, one by Tim Loughton (with 22 Tory names next to it) seeking to restrict the detention of unaccompanied children, and one by Iain Duncan Smith and Theresa May (with 10 Tory names) to exempt migrants who have suffered exploitation in the UK. Rebels make the point that the Sudan crisis underlines the importance of a compassionate policy toward refugees.
You can read all the amendments that have been tabled for debate today here.

Normally governments pass legislation because they want to change the law, but sometimes legislation can have a performative function and that seems to be at least part of what is happening with this bill. “The bill is conceived more as a campaign aid than a workable policy measure,” Rafael Behr writes in his Guardian column today. And that may explain why yesterday Robert Jenrick, the immigration minister, floated a new argument to defend the government’s anti small boats crusade. The people arriving weren’t just imposing an economic cost on the country, he argued; they were imposing a social cost. He told the Policy Exchange thinktank:


Those crossing tend to have completely different lifestyles and values to those in the UK and tend to settle in already hyper-diverse areas, undermining the cultural cohesiveness that binds diverse groups together and makes our proud multi-ethnic democracy so successful.
Braverman has been giving interviews this morning and she told LBC she agreed with Jenrick. She said:


I think that uncontrolled and unprecedented levels of illegal migration are totally unacceptable to our country and to our values.
Asked whether she agreed with Jenrick’s view that uncontrolled migration “threatens to cannibalise the compassion of the British public”, Braverman replied:

I think that the people coming here illegally do possess values which are at odds with our country.



We are seeing heightened levels of criminality when related to the people who’ve come on boats related to drug dealing, exploitation, prostitution.


There are real challenges which go beyond the migration issue of people coming here illegally. We need to ensure that we bring an end to the boat crossings.
 
So this country has no influx of labour from the European Union thanks to Brexit. And now the illegal labour (aka slave labour) force will be decimated too because apparently they're all criminals.

I look forward to many small businesses shutting and a return to boarded up shops and bars as I walk down the high street. The Tories have gone full scorched earth for the incoming 8 years of Labour government.
 
So this country has no influx of labour from the European Union thanks to Brexit. And now the illegal labour (aka slave labour) force will be decimated too because apparently they're all criminals.

I look forward to many small businesses shutting and a return to boarded up shops and bars as I walk down the high street. The Tories have gone full scorched earth for the incoming 8 years of Labour government.

Eight? That's optimistic.
 
"So out of touch that he looks at a petrol pump and debit card as if they've come from Mars"

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The same way Labour can basically accuse Sunak of being a supporter of paedophiles - electoral law allows a lot of leeway for speech.
I don't think they accused him of being a pedo. More so was just highlighting the lack of people being charged for such crimes. No different from the daily shit slinging from the tories where they try to suggest Thatchers best mate Jimmy Saville wasn't prosecuted by Starmer and that he let's pedos run free. All while Jimmy Saville was in bed with the tory party for years.

This is different from the shit slinging which has become normalised though. This is literally propoganda and knowingly spreading false information which will prevent people from having their say and a vote. Oppression in its finest form.

It's not lies to try and influence who someone votes for. It's lies to try and prevent someone from having their right to vote. And being spread by the governing party. It's a disgrace.
 
So this country has no influx of labour from the European Union thanks to Brexit. And now the illegal labour (aka slave labour) force will be decimated too because apparently they're all criminals.

I look forward to many small businesses shutting and a return to boarded up shops and bars as I walk down the high street. The Tories have gone full scorched earth for the incoming 8 years of Labour government.

That won't happen because we're going to give old people the option to die in full time employment.
 
I don't think they accused him of being a pedo. More so was just highlighting the lack of people being charged for such crimes. No different from the daily shit slinging from the tories where they try to suggest Thatchers best mate Jimmy Saville wasn't prosecuted by Starmer and that he let's pedos run free. All while Jimmy Saville was in bed with the tory party for years.

This is different from the shit slinging which has become normalised though. This is literally propoganda and knowingly spreading false information which will prevent people from having their say and a vote. Oppression in its finest form.

It's not lies to try and influence who someone votes for. It's lies to try and prevent someone from having their right to vote. And being spread by the governing party. It's a disgrace.

The point being electoral law dates back to the 19th century, and is spread over many statutes. So we have criminal offences covering some random acts, and nothing covering social media or even types of speech (like this leafllet) in the campaign. It is the reason why Corbyn was basically called a terrorist for months on end and he could do nothing about it.
 
That won't happen because we're going to give old people the option to die in full time employment.
I'm all for that personally as it is said old people who vote tory in their swathes for the last decade.

You reap what you sow lads.
 
I'm all for that personally as it is said old people who vote tory in their swathes for the last decade.

You reap what you sow lads.

What applies to them will apply to me, and I'm in my mid-30s. I'd rather not have to work another 40 years.
 
What applies to them will apply to me, and I'm in my mid-30s. I'd rather not have to work another 40 years.
Oh I know it was tongue in cheek more.

The only positive from it is being able to tell boomers that they just need to cancel their netflix subscriptions and should have worked harder and saved more.
 
The same way Labour can basically accuse Sunak of being a supporter of paedophiles - electoral law allows a lot of leeway for speech.

One is using inflammatory rhetoric about the performance of a political Party.

The other is giving false advice about the logistical operations of participating in an election.

To equate and compare the two is ridiculous.
 
listening to more of the language being used by the likes of braverman and jenrick today when it comes to refugees and values etc. as a british asian, i worry for my kids, and would have no issue with them wanting to relocate once they graduate etc. my dad used to warm me in the early 2000s not to get too comfortable here, and he's right. i find it utterly mindblowing that anyone with any kind of ethnicity thats not white/english would even consider voting tory. even the very rich ones.
 
listening to more of the language being used by the likes of braverman and jenrick today when it comes to refugees and values etc. as a british asian, i worry for my kids, and would have no issue with them wanting to relocate once they graduate etc. my dad used to warm me in the early 2000s not to get too comfortable here, and he's right. i find it utterly mindblowing that anyone with any kind of ethnicity thats not white/english would even consider voting tory. even the very rich ones.

Genuinely sorry to read this.

Could your Dad have ever imagined that the racist rhetoric that makes you fearful for your own kids would come from the same ethnicity? Staggering that it’s come to this.
 
listening to more of the language being used by the likes of braverman and jenrick today when it comes to refugees and values etc. as a british asian, i worry for my kids, and would have no issue with them wanting to relocate once they graduate etc. my dad used to warm me in the early 2000s not to get too comfortable here, and he's right. i find it utterly mindblowing that anyone with any kind of ethnicity thats not white/english would even consider voting tory. even the very rich ones.
Greed unfortunatelty. One of by best mates mum is a second generation wealthy sikh who laps up everything they say. Because all she cares about is money.
 
listening to more of the language being used by the likes of braverman and jenrick today when it comes to refugees and values etc. as a british asian, i worry for my kids, and would have no issue with them wanting to relocate once they graduate etc. my dad used to warm me in the early 2000s not to get too comfortable here, and he's right. i find it utterly mindblowing that anyone with any kind of ethnicity thats not white/english would even consider voting tory. even the very rich ones.

Really sorry to read this, if it helps most people would say you are welcome here and it is just a very loud minority who think you aren’t. Unfortunately that loud minority of people also hold the reins of power.
 
Oh I know it was tongue in cheek more.

The only positive from it is being able to tell boomers that they just need to cancel their netflix subscriptions and should have worked harder and saved more.
It won't be the boomers it impacts. They're mostly retired already.
 
Really sorry to read this, if it helps most people would say you are welcome here and it is just a very loud minority who think you aren’t. Unfortunately that loud minority of people also hold the reins of power.
i absolutely appreciate the sentiment and kindness.
but....being 'welcome' here shouldnt even be an issue. thats the language of othering, if that makes sense. i was born and brought up here, i shouldnt need to feel welcome here by anyone. its not in anyones gift to offer me a welcome.
 
Genuinely sorry to read this.

Could your Dad have ever imagined that the racist rhetoric that makes you fearful for your own kids would come from the same ethnicity? Staggering that it’s come to this.
Can't speak for superden but from my own experiences, or rather what I've seen, yes.
 
Can't speak for superden but from my own experiences, or rather what I've seen, yes.

That‘s beyond depressing. The absolute fecking state of some people and the platform that they’ve been given to shout about this shit.

It genuinely astounds me that there hasn’t been some kind of uprising in the streets against this dangerous rhetoric.