Westminster Politics

Mart1974 said:
Bye prick

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-64467038?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=64424e25bb343d77c49904dc&Dominic Raab resigns&2023-04-21T08:49:42.177Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:ec8da08f-f6e6-4455-ba41-4b08b650f2b8&pinned_post_asset_id=64424e25bb343d77c49904dc&pinned_post_type=share
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"In setting the threshold for bullying so low, this inquiry has set a dangerous precedent.
It will encourage spurious complaints against ministers, and have a chilling effect on those driving change on behalf of your government - and ultimately the British people."
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What a cnut.
 
ThehatchetMan said:
Is Lindsay Hoyle the worst speaker that the house has ever had?

There's been alot of talk in recent years about how there is a clear lack of respect and dignity in the commons these days and it's no coincidence that it coincides with Lindsay Hoyles reign.

Just catching up on PMQ again today and the house is out of control as usual and Lindsay sits there laughing alongside the tory bench.

Warning after warning comes but he never does shit. Makes my blood boil watching PMQs.

Starmer performed well today in my opinion.
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Well perhaps you’d like to pop off to the tea room and get an early cup of tea and think about your decisions over a cup of tea.

Hoyle is a ghoul. Rabb is threatening his staff with violence, the Tories are breaking every single facet of society. The man that keeps them in check is treating them like adults, threatening them with cups of tea that we all pay for.
 
Raab is a mentally unstable, vicious thug.. And thick as pigshit. I wish him all the worst in his future endeavours.
 
Sunak is coming across weak with this one. 24 hours until an update, didn't sack him and apparently he didn't ask him to resign either. If Sunak says he was going to sack him he looks like he bottled it, waiting so long for him to resign and if he was going to keep him then he's opening himself up to criticism when the report is released. No doubt he will waffle his way around any questioning saying how it's important to take time with due process and allow Raab to resign if he wishes too.
 
This very much is similar to the Linekar saga.

I don't think Sunak took action yesterday because he's worried about the media impact. And doesn't want it to be the headline across all the newspapers this morning either.

So a bit like the British Broadcasting Conservatives were they waited until late Friday afternoon to announce their Linekar suspension (in hope it will all blow over over the weekend).

I think this is very much a similar strategy here.

I see the BBC in their reporting are even adding little trinkets to back up their boy. Lots of bolded words for his "I'm genuinely sorry" but not so much focus on him disagreeing with the report and the findings.

And now saying about how this will result in a debate on what bullying is and the thresholds of bullying? Sounds like the BBC trying to stoke a culture war to me. No doubt we will be told about wokey leftie snowflake civil servants soon and that they just need to man up.

Seems that the bullying debate is only because their boy lost his job. Wasn't the CBI Ceo or something sacked for similar like last week? Why does that not invoke a bullying debate? Or every other case of bullying from senior managers which we hear about quite regularly.

fecking disgrace from our national broadcaster. Scrap the BBC and put all the funding into channel 4. The BBCs went to the dogs.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Don't mistake nor voting for Starmers Labour with voting for a Tory. There are other parties.
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Sadly it doesn’t make a jot of differences in most constituencies where another party doesn’t have a chance of winning. This is due to the political system we are in where a vote for Labour in a lot of areas will be the only way to get the Tories out. If it doesn’t happen, the Tories remain.
 
Rabb's "see you later" statement.
"In setting the threshold for bullying so low, this inquiry has set a dangerous precedent.
It will encourage spurious complaints against ministers, and have a chilling effect on those driving change on behalf of your government - and ultimately the British people."

Just to wrap a bit of context around what Tory ministers like Rabb consider good management, here's a word from a former army officer, and former junior defence minister:
https://www.civilserviceworld.com/i...exminister-johnny-mercer#.YsPyy-54mLs.twitter
"Do you know, the biggest thing that helped me out from the army going into being a minister is, if you had talked to officials the way I’ve seen some ministers talk to officials, if you’d have talked to people like that in the army, you would have got punched in the mouth,” he said.

Or as he summarised it, "don't be a dick." It's pretty clear he thought some of his ministerial colleagues were exactly that.
 
fergieisold said:
Benefit fraud is costing the taxpayer > 5 Billion £ / yr. How on earth can somebody criticise any action to bring this figure down?
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Because we lose at least £35bn in tax avoidance and tax fraud but the Tories seem to endorse that with their policies.

Also fine to give billions of pounds to Tory donors and members through failed PPE contracts and failed track and trace systems.

But yeah let's threaten disabled people.
 
TheGame said:
Sadly it doesn’t make a jot of differences in most constituencies where another party doesn’t have a chance of winning. This is due to the political system we are in where a vote for Labour in a lot of areas will be the only way to get the Tories out. If it doesn’t happen, the Tories remain.
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I appreciate that. I don't agree with the FPTP system. But even within this system it is possible for other parties to rise, it just takes alot longer.

Also, Starmer should've considered this when alienating many Labour voters and lying with his leadership pledges. He has to earn peoples vote.
 
When I hear Oliver Dowden I instantly think he’s a snivelling little worm but I can’t remember what it was he did. Apart from being a Tory obviously.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
I appreciate that. I don't agree with the FPTP system. But even within this system it is possible for other parties to rise, it just takes alot longer.

Also, Starmer should've considered this when alienating many Labour voters and lying with his leadership pledges. He has to earn peoples vote.
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I disagree with some Labour policies e.g Brexit but with the FPTP system, in the majority of constituencies its Labour v Con or Con v Lib Dem. You have your anomalies e.g Caroline Lucas and Scotland/Wales/NI but other parties just aint going to make up those huge deficits with the current system. UKIP for all their popularity a while back couldnt even pick up a seat, thats just the way it goes. Labour still have to announce a manifesto so it will be interesting to see the commitments in that.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Because we lose at least £35bn in tax avoidance and tax fraud but the Tories seem to endorse that with their policies.

Also fine to give billions of pounds to Tory donors and members through failed PPE contracts and failed track and trace systems.

But yeah let's threaten disabled people.
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My centrist detector always explodes when someone is so concerned about benefit fraud.
 
jojojo said:
Rabb's "see you later" statement.
"In setting the threshold for bullying so low, this inquiry has set a dangerous precedent.
It will encourage spurious complaints against ministers, and have a chilling effect on those driving change on behalf of your government - and ultimately the British people."

Just to wrap a bit of context around what Tory ministers like Rabb consider good management, here's a word from a former army officer, and former junior defence minister:
https://www.civilserviceworld.com/i...exminister-johnny-mercer#.YsPyy-54mLs.twitter
"Do you know, the biggest thing that helped me out from the army going into being a minister is, if you had talked to officials the way I’ve seen some ministers talk to officials, if you’d have talked to people like that in the army, you would have got punched in the mouth,” he said.

Or as he summarised it, "don't be a dick." It's pretty clear he thought some of his ministerial colleagues were exactly that.
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Incredibly ungracious resignation letter. Mr fastidious who couldn't be arsed to read the Good Friday Agreement as Brexit minister and didn't know ports are vital to an island.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Because we lose at least £35bn in tax avoidance and tax fraud but the Tories seem to endorse that with their policies.
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Not the same thing.

Welfare is the countries second largest expenditure so there's nothing wrong with trying to make it better.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Because we lose at least £35bn in tax avoidance and tax fraud but the Tories seem to endorse that with their policies.

Also fine to give billions of pounds to Tory donors and members through failed PPE contracts and failed track and trace systems.

But yeah let's threaten disabled people.
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You’re pointing out other problems that have nothing to do with benefit fraud. If you think the advert threatens disabled people I think you’ve mis understood. The advert is talking about fraud, not legitimate claimants. It even states that in the advert for heavens sake!
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
But even within this system it is possible for other parties to rise, it just takes alot longer.
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Not impossible but it takes a long time for parties to rise to a point where they win a number of seats to oust Tory or Labour from power the best they can do is occasionally, as LibDems did, and get into an official coalition system.
One of the problems when we see polls telling us there is an increase in a particular party's voting intentions amongst the public, is that in many seats which are 'rock solid' for one party, you can see the increase in the share of the vote almost as overkill. In my constituency, in my life time, it has always been Labour. In a poor election year they would scrap in with say 52%, in a good year in could be as high as 78-80%, Tory's always come second and Lib-Dem 3rd. Labour have in the past read too much into general polling.
You suspect Starmer has recognised this.... or has he?
 
11101 said:
Not the same thing.

Welfare is the countries second largest expenditure so there's nothing wrong with trying to make it better.
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It's very much the other side of the same coin. Taxation is by far the government's primary income so there's nothing wrong with trying to make it better
 
Solius said:
When I hear Oliver Dowden I instantly think he’s a snivelling little worm but I can’t remember what it was he did. Apart from being a Tory obviously.
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He is not nice to work for. The sort of person who is very adept at ensuring he gets no blame for the decisions he takes.

11101 said:
Not the same thing.

Welfare is the countries second largest expenditure so there's nothing wrong with trying to make it better.
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Pensions take up 42% of the total spend: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gove...rticles/howisthewelfarebudgetspent/2016-03-16.

But since old people vote Tory, it is much better to go after disability and unemployment benefits (16% and 1% of the total spending respectively).
 
Also it would be nice for the Government to work on dealing with health inequalities, structural racism and discrimination in society. That would make people live longer, healthier lives, meaning less needs to be spent on disability benefit.

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fergieisold said:
Benefit fraud is costing the taxpayer > 5 Billion £ / yr. How on earth can somebody criticise any action to bring this figure down?
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Because almost all Government agencies have become an absolute nightmare to work through since this government came into power in 2010 and disabled people for instance have had to go through humiliating and ridiculous processes to prove that they are actually disabled.
 
africanspur said:
Love how he talks sarcastically about reading the GFA as if its a ridiculous suggestion while he is one of the ministers who is in charge of negotiating an agreement which has to involve said agreement.
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He’s just pathetic!

And the BBC was bending over backwards to giv him a platform again!
 
McGrathsipan said:
Why does he get to go back to the back beaches and not get sacked completely?
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Because he was elected by his constituents as MP, whereas he was hired by rishi as justice secretary/deputy prime minister, I suspect.
 
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