Westminster Politics

It's very much the other side of the same coin. Taxation is by far the government's primary income so there's nothing wrong with trying to make it better

Tax fraud and tax evasion are not the same thing as wanting different taxation rules. That post was mixing the two up.


Pensions take up 42% of the total spend: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gove...rticles/howisthewelfarebudgetspent/2016-03-16.

But since old people vote Tory, it is much better to go after disability and unemployment benefits (16% and 1% of the total spending respectively).

Pensions are separated out of the figure I quoted. Welfare including pensions is the biggest expenditure the country has, but pensions are quite hard to fiddle. You're either old or you're not!
 
Yes, but that’s a separate issue. That’s not benefit fraud.

It isn't a separate issue.

The entire discourse around this is that of scroungers stealing our hard earned cash and the atmosphere they have managed to create around it is an incredibly hostile one, whereby even genuinely severely disabled people have to jump through incredible hoops to prove they are disabled and are therefore sucked in to the entire ordeal as well.

Its similar to how this country often views immigration. Its generally viewed through an almost entirely negative window and like we're doing the migrants a favour to allow them in.

Is this specifically windrush? No. But a country that doesn't have such an aggressive attitude towards migrants probably doesn't end up with dozens of people wrongly deported and hundreds more with their lives ruined.
 
It isn't a separate issue.

The entire discourse around this is that of scroungers stealing our hard earned cash and the atmosphere they have managed to create around it is an incredibly hostile one, whereby even genuinely severely disabled people have to jump through incredible hoops to prove they are disabled and are therefore sucked in to the entire ordeal as well.

Its similar to how this country often views immigration. Its generally viewed through an almost entirely negative window and like we're doing the migrants a favour to allow them in.

Is this specifically windrush? No. But a country that doesn't have such an aggressive attitude towards migrants probably doesn't end up with dozens of people wrongly deported and hundreds more with their lives ruined.

I agree about the narrative that’s pushed out there. And the steps government have taken to make it incredibly difficult for valid claimants to get money. I think we need some sort of independently verified stats on real benefit fraud and if, in isolation, it does amount to the figures thrown around.
 
It isn't a separate issue.

The entire discourse around this is that of scroungers stealing our hard earned cash and the atmosphere they have managed to create around it is an incredibly hostile one, whereby even genuinely severely disabled people have to jump through incredible hoops to prove they are disabled and are therefore sucked in to the entire ordeal as well.

Its similar to how this country often views immigration. Its generally viewed through an almost entirely negative window and like we're doing the migrants a favour to allow them in.

Is this specifically windrush? No. But a country that doesn't have such an aggressive attitude towards migrants probably doesn't end up with dozens of people wrongly deported and hundreds more with their lives ruined.

And more than likely a much healthier economy too.
 
Sounds like Dominic Raab operates in what use to be called the Theory 'X' Management Style, which basically consists of kicking everyone's ar** everyday, whether they need it or not... surprisingly it can work in some desperate "all hands to the pumps" situations, but only for a short time.

Perhaps he feels the Tory government has reached that stage. :confused:
 
I don't follow uk politics in much detail, but that jacob rees mogg fella seems to be one of the cuntiest cnuts I've ever listened to. Every single time I've watched him speak, he has that attitude that everyone else around him is a dumb pleb, how can anyone vote for someone like this?
 
I don't follow uk politics in much detail, but that jacob rees mogg fella seems to be one of the cuntiest cnuts I've ever listened to. Every single time I've watched him speak, he has that attitude that everyone else around him is a dumb pleb, how can anyone vote for someone like this?

We have a lot of stupid, selfish fecks in this country that's why.
 
I don't follow uk politics in much detail, but that jacob rees mogg fella seems to be one of the cuntiest cnuts I've ever listened to. Every single time I've watched him speak, he has that attitude that everyone else around him is a dumb pleb, how can anyone vote for someone like this?

I had been saying that in this thread. I just hope he becomes UK's prime minister
 
I don't follow uk politics in much detail, but that jacob rees mogg fella seems to be one of the cuntiest cnuts I've ever listened to. Every single time I've watched him speak, he has that attitude that everyone else around him is a dumb pleb, how can anyone vote for someone like this?
A lot of people like being dumb plebs, they revel in their overlords taking care of things.
 
And it's this trail of thought that'll lead to the Tories staying in.
Not if you live in the south. Alot of those seats are contested by tory and lib dem. A vote for Labour is a wasted vote there.
 
I don't follow uk politics in much detail, but that jacob rees mogg fella seems to be one of the cuntiest cnuts I've ever listened to. Every single time I've watched him speak, he has that attitude that everyone else around him is a dumb pleb, how can anyone vote for someone like this?
He's one to stay up for at the next election, his majority is looking pretty shaky.
 
I don't follow uk politics in much detail, but that jacob rees mogg fella seems to be one of the cuntiest cnuts I've ever listened to. Every single time I've watched him speak, he has that attitude that everyone else around him is a dumb pleb, how can anyone vote for someone like this?
The media / print is very powerful in the UK. It's probably our most powerful institution.
 
'And just to rub your impoverished noses in it, there's a Coronation coming up that's going to cost you a fecking fortune. Us rich nobs enjoy a good laugh.'
 
Not the same thing.

Welfare is the countries second largest expenditure so there's nothing wrong with trying to make it better.
Thats pensions. Don't blindly believe the pie charts the Tories occasionally post out lumping pensions in with "welfare". So we can all blame the poor.
 
You’re pointing out other problems that have nothing to do with benefit fraud. If you think the advert threatens disabled people I think you’ve mis understood. The advert is talking about fraud, not legitimate claimants. It even states that in the advert for heavens sake!
I'm pointing out other problems which should be more of a priority to tackle and give a better return to the tax payer.

Instead the this advert only 1) makes non claimants believe that welfare fraud is a bigger problem than it really is and 2) strikes fear into genuine disabled claimants who need to make a claim.

The real problem with the welfare system is in the articles below. No adverts about that is there? Why aren't they investing these funds for videos into preventing unnecessary deaths?

British minister accused of trying to hide reports on impact of Tory welfare reforms
Thérèse Coffey ‘set out to minimise evidence’ on studies including research into deaths of benefit claimants and help for vulnerable
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ide-reports-on-impact-of-tory-welfare-reforms

Thousands have died after being found fit for work, DWP figures show
Campaigners demand welfare overhaul after statistics reveal 2,380 people died between 2011 and 2014 shortly after being declared able to work
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ied-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures
 
what pisses me off about comments like this, I bet he’s richer per month than he were a few years ago
Be kind, he'll only get about £160k a year including whatever savings he had from when he worked at Goldman Sachs.

'And just to rub your impoverished noses in it, there's a Coronation coming up that's going to cost you a fecking fortune. Us rich nobs enjoy a good laugh.'

This is also unfair. He's only got a personal wealth of a billion pounds. Do you expect him to pay for his own golden chariot or, even worse, cut the pomp and extravagance of the whole ceremony down a little?
 
Be kind, he'll only get about £160k a year including whatever savings he had from when he worked at Goldman Sachs.



This is also unfair. He's only got a personal wealth of a billion pounds. Do you expect him to pay for his own golden chariot or, even worse, cut the pomp and extravagance of the whole ceremony down a little?

optimistic. A quick google says he’s on around half a million +99k pension contribution.
 
UK secretly deported 100 Nepali guards who protected staff in Kabul

Exclusive: People who risked their lives and were evacuated to Britain were forcibly removed to Nepal days later

More than 100 Nepali guards who risked their lives to protect British embassy staff in Afghanistan before the Taliban seized back control were secretly returned to Nepal against their wishes shortly after being airlifted to safety in the UK, the Guardian can reveal.

Hundreds of Nepali nationals and a smaller number of Indian nationals who protected key institutions in Kabul were brought to the UK on an RAF flight during the chaotic evacuation of the Afghan capital by western countries in August 2021, as victorious Taliban forces closed in.


It has now emerged that days after they arrived in the UK, more than 100 of these evacuees were forcibly removed to their home countries even though many had been issued with six-month visas on arrival.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ards-who-protected-staff-in-kabul-afghanistan
 
Her contempt for him is palpable, which I think probably detracts from the words she is saying for some (all of the GB News audience)