Westminster Politics

Johnson just lied himself to the top of the UK. If EU officials receive the same level of scrutiny as the British political class then the EU project is doomed. Because it seems anyone can become PM these days, even failed journalists. And the journalists of the day ironically see nothing wrong with a PM who invented stories as a journalist... wonder why.

Luckily not every country is run by Murdoch and friends.


Well in the blue corner we have Mr Johnson and in the red corner Ms von der Leyen (seems anyone can become EU president these days) ....... both of whom are as as bent as 9 bob notes. In all seriousness I fail to see how anyone can hold up politicians from other European nations as being less elitist, and more honourable than those in the UK. I would not give houseroom to any of them. The lot of them are rogues and charlatans who are only interested in staying on the gravy train. Still we get the politicians we deserve

Countries literally have vetoes on new member states joining, if Britain doesn't want it to enlarge then it doesn't have to; indeed our exit makes that more likely.

Surely I am not reading your right in assuming that should we remain in the EU that we should exercise our veto on new member states joining irrespective of merit. Bloody hell what is the point of the UK being in the club if we are going to continue to be reluctant participants. Stay in and continue to stamp our feet and refuse to participate that's as daft as leaving without a deal. At least IMHO. And it does not address the other issues in respect of development or evolution. If we remain do we oppose the creation of a European Army? Do we move towards joining the Euro? Do we commit to becoming a Schengen area? And thats just 3 off the top of my head. Not so easy is it for a clear picture to emerge when what we mean by remain is probed a wee bit deeper.
 
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I'm not convinced by the direct link to austerity. I like this site, it calls out a lot of claims on both sides!

https://fullfact.org/health/130000-preventable-deaths-austerity/

Tory Policy has directly put more money in my back pocket through lower taxes. And it is has (shock horror) also been the raising of the personal tax allowance threshold that has directly helped the less privileged.

Lower taxes, record numbers of people employed has been two advantages for me.

It is not just in favour of the rich. The less well off have been directly helped by Tory tax cuts.
It is clear that the poorest have not seen income rise in real terms.
https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/scale-economic-inequality-uk
Even if they had, it entirely depends on your definition of helps and this is ideologically based.
The gap between rich and poor continues to grow, the social support network continues to collapse impacting the most vulnerable, ideologically driven monthly benefits payments based on a concept of thrift and budgeting continue to fail in the practical real world environment. Redistribution of wealth is not a position that the Tory party support. This is to the detriment of society as a whole, irrespective of income.
I believe in redistribution of wealth (and say this from a high tax bracket) and vote accordingly (my country has higher income tax on higher earners than England). This puts me fundamentally at odds with the Tory party (and this is but one reason). There are those who believe that low tax and small government is good. I consider the latter anti-society and the former pro-society.
Tories would disagree with my position no doubt. Some do so on genuine principle (disagreeable principle to me, but principle nonetheless), some do so because they care about short term fiscal gain. Irrespective, there is certainly no evidence to support the claim that the Tories are a more economically successful party...at least not for those who are not wealthy (see Brexit) and I consider their social policy, at best, reckless.
 
Well in the blue corner we have Mr Johnson and in the red corner Ms von der Leyen (seems anyone can become EU president these days) ....... both of whom are as as bent as 9 bob notes. In all seriousness I fail to see how anyone can hold up politicians from other European nations as being less elitist, and more honourable than those in the UK. I would not give houseroom to any of them. The lot of them are rogues and charlatans who are only interested in staying on the gravy train. Still we get the politicians we deserve

Surely I am not reading your right in assuming that should we remain in the EU that we should exercise our veto on new member states joining irrespective of merit. Bloody hell what is the point of the UK being in the club if we are going to continue to be reluctant participants. Stay in and continue to stamp our feet and refuse to participate that's as daft as leaving without a deal. At least IMHO. And it does not address the other issues in respect of development or evolution. If we remain do we oppose the creation of a European Army? Do we move towards joining the Euro? Do we commit to becoming a Schengen area? And thats just 3 off the top of my head. Not so easy is it for a clear picture to emerge remain is probed a wee bit deeper is it.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-policy-veto-qualified-majority-a9006686.html

What veto ??
 
Without Brexit, the austerity measures would not have lasted as long. So much time and money has been wasted on Brexit, that everything else, the things that actually matter, have all taken a back seat.

Nothing of the sort.
The austerity programme had been in place since 2010 which even with my awful maths was about 6 years ago.
This government completely conned the public that they HAD to savagely cut public services in order to balance the books.
Well have the books been balanced. Of course not. It was never going to happen and now, after all that hardship, balancing the books has been kicked into touch.
What a surprise.
And why would you believe that Brexit has prolonged the austerity programme. The economy has been largely resilient to the predicted slump.
But for those who say Project Fear was completely wrong, we haven't left yet.
 
I'm not convinced by the direct link to austerity. I like this site, it calls out a lot of claims on both sides!

https://fullfact.org/health/130000-preventable-deaths-austerity/
It doesn't dismiss the claims at all. Also

Full Fact was founded in 2009 by Michael Samuel (Chair) a Conservative Party donor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Fact

Tory Policy has directly put more money in my back pocket through lower taxes. And it is has (shock horror) also been the raising of the personal tax allowance threshold that has directly helped the less privileged.

Lower taxes, record numbers of people employed has been two advantages for me.



It is not just in favour of the rich. The less well off have been directly helped by Tory tax cuts.

Genuine question if thats ok - what is your line for work(You don't have to be too specific) ?
 
Is this Boris supposed to be hated or loved? Most of this thread is painting him as an idiot yet we have #borisday in the title as if he is celebrated.
 
I know it should have sunk in by now, but I still feel absolutely sick about this.

Something that is so clearly corrupt being rewarded. How many times do I have to sit and watch blatant cheaters be rewarded? Absolute scum of society be lifted up to the very pinnacle.

It just doesn’t make sense to me. Why even bother? Links with racism? Doesn’t matter. Leader who is a massive prick but the press love because he is a “lovable fool?”.

It makes me physically sick.

EDIT: FFS meant to post this in the Liverpool Champions league winning thread.
 
I know it should have sunk in by now, but I still feel absolutely sick about this.

Something that is so clearly corrupt being rewarded. How many times do I have to sit and watch blatant cheaters be rewarded? Absolute scum of society be lifted up to the very pinnacle.

It just doesn’t make sense to me. Why even bother? Links with racism? Doesn’t matter. Leader who is a massive prick but the press love because he is a “lovable fool?”.

It makes me physically sick.

EDIT: FFS meant to post this in the Liverpool Champions league winning thread.
Post of the Year
 
It doesn't dismiss the claims at all. Also





Genuine question if thats ok - what is your line for work(You don't have to be too specific) ?


Can I butt in ??

If you want to complain about Full Fact being founded by a Conservatibve Party donor, then we should also make it clear that IPPR was founded is still ' run ' by Clive Hollick and his wife - a Labour Supporter and Donor who was appointed to The Lords by Bliar.

Commercial pilot - now retired ( age barred from commercial flying ) and now I part own an Airline / Logistics Company with a T/O of €67 million in 2018, most of that generated from West and Central Africa.
 
It's a dream team of incompetence. Just need David Moyes in some role.
 
It doesn't dismiss the claims at all. Also





Genuine question if thats ok - what is your line for work(You don't have to be too specific) ?

Interesting that the full fact was founded in that way. Difficult to know whether that in some way changes things...I mean facts are facts. They do appear to do a good job on the whole and it’s a site I always read.

I work in science. So in terms of my personal interests funding is flat (real terms cut) at the moment I think for science. With Brexit the government so far have been fairly good with the noises made about protecting funding, it doesn’t seem to be a contentious point at the moment!
 
Someone having secret meetings with the Russian or Chinese government would be relentlessly attacked by the media and voters; not sure why Patel gets away (and rewarded) with it.