I think the problem. Is you need a vision to have a policy. Not only empty electioneering which seems to be Starmers strategy alongside purging any dissenting voices from the party.
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That anyone can believe that Labour don’t have policy and direction to make things better… is evidence of the right wing press (ie everything bar one or two publications) suggesting as much.
Labour stated policy and targeted doctrine is still left of Blair and Brown. It’s not even close either.
Labour stated policy and targeted doctrine is still left of Blair and Brown. It’s not even close either.
Just don’t see why voting Labour wouldn’t be an automatic reflex action after having the Tories in power for so long. Why would anyone who is left politically even think twice?
Why could not the left coalesce behind Labour to, at the bare minimum, remove as many Tories as possible?
What in the actual feck?
I'd say it's more to do with the fact that Labour barely talk about their (significant) policies tbh, and trying to get Starmer to state anything clearly about a policy before it has been put through 15 focus groups is like trying to teach a warthog how to tapdance.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65301099
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is being investigated by Parliament's standards watchdog over a possible failure to declare an interest.
Mr Sunak is being investigated over whether a declaration of interest was "open and frank", under rules set out by the commissioner for standards.
The BBC understands the probe relates to a childcare firm his wife has shares in.
The commissioner decides whether an MP has broken rules after an inquiry.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is being investigated by Parliament's standards watchdog over a possible failure to declare an interest.
Mr Sunak is being investigated over whether a declaration of interest was "open and frank", under rules set out by the commissioner for standards.
The BBC understands the probe relates to a childcare firm his wife has shares in.
The commissioner decides whether an MP has broken rules after an inquiry.
You could make a good maths question out of that. If your wife has 10% shares in a company, and they get increased funding by x amount, how much would you stand to gain?
Because a vote for Starmer gives him and his politics legitimacy, but doesn't actually solve anything.
This country has so many issues and all Starmer is proposing is austerity mk 2, a continuation of the Tory's hateful immigration policies, and less corruption. He's also worryingly authoritarian.
More so than Tories already in power?
Hell, less corruption sounds like a positive step.
He'd probably run them very close on that front if his background is anything to suggest.
Going into a ransacked premises and taking something from it is looting surely? Should the CPS not have prosecuted? Are the CPS responsible for law regarding deportation?
Theft or Burglary both carry penalties sufficient for the deportation threshold.
Theft or Burglary both carry penalties sufficient for the deportation threshold.
Fair enough if that's how you want to look at it but you can't blame me for being slightly worried that a man who pushed for tougher sentences for trivial offences is potentially going to be PM in a country where protesting is illegal.
(Go on Jezza!)
Would Starmer / Labour work to reduce / remove those anti-protesting laws if they were in power?
Doubt it.
Christ, that sucks.
Are we discussing the post-riots? If so, wasn't that an extraordinary event that required extraordinary action?
Better get back to stopping the boats
So let’s vote the Tories in again
the country has a choice to make, continue with a party bleeding the country dry or vote in labour even though a lot don’t like the leadership (again)
I’m not going to take maths lessons from a banker who lost £11bn from our pockets because he forgot to insure debt!
The joys of an almost two-party system. The whole discussion seems to have been dragged quite far to the right, seen from abroad anyway.
Let's vote for people like this because we don't like Labour.
Did you read the excerpt from the tweet I posted?
"CPS guidance stated that even those who could not be proven to have taken part in the public disorder should also be charged with burglary rather than theft"
A 16 month sentence handed out to a man who picked up a scoop of ice cream, licked it, then put it back down
How the feck are people defending this? No wonder this country is sleepwalking into authoritarianism.
Nah, I'm just not gonna vote.
Starmer clearly doesn't want people with my politics voting for the labour party so if the Tories get in again it's on him, not us.
It's incredibly right wing but that's seen as acceptable as long as Labour win.
Did you read the excerpt from the tweet I posted?
"CPS guidance stated that even those who could not be proven to have taken part in the public disorder should also be charged with burglary rather than theft"
A 16 month sentence handed out to a man who picked up a scoop of ice cream, licked it, then put it back down
How the feck are people defending this? No wonder this country is sleepwalking into authoritarianism.
Nah, I'm just not gonna vote.
Starmer clearly doesn't want people with my politics voting for the labour party so if the Tories get in again it's on him, not us.
It's incredibly right wing but that's seen as acceptable as long as Labour win.
I read the excerpt. I don't know why you're getting hung up on the ice cream. The fact is there was a riot, and if you partook in it you were going to be made an example of. A very tough example.
What Starmer did then in very specific circumstances, compared to what Tory leaders have done openly since is not even comparable. You are clearly a Tory voter and apologizer and your no-vote is a vote for the Tories.
Note: it actually gets even better if you open the image
Ah the old "no money left" myth again. They found plenty of taxpayer money for dodgy PPE firms, not fit for purpose test and trace systems and Brexit bollocks though didn't they. Billions in fact. Funny that.
It seems that you are letting perfect be the enemy of better.Did you read the excerpt from the tweet I posted?
"CPS guidance stated that even those who could not be proven to have taken part in the public disorder should also be charged with burglary rather than theft"
A 16 month sentence handed out to a man who picked up a scoop of ice cream, licked it, then put it back down
How the feck are people defending this? No wonder this country is sleepwalking into authoritarianism.
Nah, I'm just not gonna vote.
Starmer clearly doesn't want people with my politics voting for the labour party so if the Tories get in again it's on him, not us.
It's incredibly right wing but that's seen as acceptable as long as Labour win.
Amen.
Yeah but covid was unprecedented and we needed to act swiftly to ensure we were all protected which is why we couldn't tender as usual.
The swift action of Boris and the lads ensured that we could guaranteed PPE for the UK in a very competitive market and we should be thankful that the tories and their close contacts were able to help support the nation.
Plus let's not forget that we had the fastest vaccine rollout in Europe. What an achievement! Without that we wouldn't be where we are today.
Rather than cynically focus on dodgy ppe we should be focusing on the good ppe. And let's not forget all the man hours which went into clapping key workers. You don't catch me striking to get a rebate for the time I spent clapping. People need to be more positive.
/s
I don't think this is the answer. At the upcoming locals, I'll be voting Green. I expect Labour will get in where I am in Manchester, they almost always do, but I'll be writing to my MP to explain why I can't currently vote for Labour. Will it make a difference? Almost certainly not, but it's better to try and do something about the situation we're in than completely abstaining.
This must be a parody. Your first paragraph shows that you are far, far closer to being a Tory voter than I ever will be.
The whole system needs tearing down and rebuilding and I refuse to vote for an establishment stooge who is only advocating for more of the same.
Thatcher could be reincarnated as a Labour leader.
And if you didn't vote for her as labour leader some people in this thread will call you a tory.