Westminster Politics

Ludens the Red said:
@UnrelatedPsuedo
Just an ode to your comment about the transport in the city being incredible. Do you travel using London transport on a daily basis out of interest? Because I can’t actually fathom how anyone who does would think that :lol:
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Compared to most other places in the UK, and indeed other countries (the US, for example) the public transport in London is incredible. We love to moan about it because it’s ours and we’re a moany lot, but it’s easily one of the best in the world comparatively - particularly for the size of population, and you're never more than half a mile from more than one form of it.

Also passenger satisfaction has consistently been around 85%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/412796/london-underground-customer-satisfaction/
 
calodo2003 said:
Why were Braverman & Sunak just sitting there basically laughing?
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Those facial expressions are literally the closest thing to a response to the questions that she can muster. When she's at the dispatch box she totally ignores any argument put to her and continues to waffle utter bollocks ad nuaseam.

Sunak the same, just with less conviction.
 
calodo2003 said:
Why were Braverman & Sunak just sitting there basically laughing?
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It's what they do every week.

Sunak will be out with his buzzword bingo again tomorrow ducking and diving any question:

"But this party here voted down <insert illegal Bill which would never get through the lords>, they don't care"

"But this man here worked under Jeremy Corbyn. The biggest risk to our country (replace with wealthy) in a generation" (added irony given he was chancellor under Boris)

"We helped the most vulnerable during the Pandemic and always will" (As in giving those on JSA an extra 20 quid a month while people on furlough got 30k a year. And let's not start on the covid fraud too)

"The problem with the party on the other side is they don't have solutions" (aka we created a mess and someone else should spoon feed us how to fix it and let us then claim its our own idea)

"But we have supported the most vulnerable with the energy crisis by introducing windfall taxes" (An idea you never came up with and then added a load of loopholes which meant shell paid no windfall tax)


Same shit different week.
 
Mockney said:
Compared to most other places in the UK, and indeed other countries (the US, for example) the public transport in London is incredible. We love to moan about it because it’s ours and we’re a moany lot, but it’s easily one of the best in the world comparatively - particularly for the size of population, and you're never more than half a mile from more than one form of it.

Also passenger satisfaction has consistently been around 85%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/412796/london-underground-customer-satisfaction/
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As your article points out - 2020. Since covid it’s been a complete and utter mess. It might be better than every other countries but it’s the most expensive transport system in the world in terms of customer spend (well it was a few years ago, shocked if it’s changed)
It’s all well and good having good connections but when you have constant strikes, delays, cancellations, overly crowded buses and trains how good is it really. Can’t go one weekend without about 200 stations or lines closing. you’re hiking prices and producing a poorer service than you were five years ago. Your changing all your roads into one ways and cycle lanes and buses end up getting caught in choker block traffic. Honestly other than having lots of lines and stations it’s been pathetic for a good three years now.
 
Ludens the Red said:
As your article points out - 2020. Since covid it’s been a complete and utter mess. It might be better than every other countries but it’s the most expensive transport system in the world in terms of customer spend (well it was a few years ago, shocked if it’s changed)
It’s all well and good having good connections but when you have constant strikes, delays, cancellations, overly crowded buses and trains how good is it really. Can’t go one weekend without about 200 stations or lines closing. you’re hiking prices and producing a poorer service than you were five years ago. Your changing all your roads into one ways and cycle lanes and buses end up getting caught in choker block traffic. Honestly other than having lots of lines and stations it’s been pathetic for a good three years now.
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Good luck when you go to any other UK city and experience their public transport which is a lot less reliable, covers less areas and is incredibly slow and outdated and at a much greater cost too.

Not trying to say the problems you mentioned don't exist. But it's a bit of a kick in the teeth giving that londoners get a huge amount per head for public transport compared to the rest of us.
 
The "far right" jibe aside, it's not the Ulez that pisses me off about this arsehole, it's that taxing people is better for them than actually looking at the problems and pretending that it's the best way.

I'm not affected, I've been compliant since the beginning, but I do have to drive into London a fair amount to work and the problems with traffic pollution are far worse with the constant road schemes that clog up the flow and make you sit still for ages even in times of light traffic flow. Hell people who go back far enough might even remember Livingstone actually admitting in local business meetings that the light systems were changed in key areas (like the Barbican) to make figures worse to bring in the Congestion charge in the first place.

The endless amount of roadworks which completely clash, permits to take over parking, changing of one ways, unused cycle lanes, barely used bus lanes that you at least used to be allowed to drive in at certain times but now unfathomably can't which extends the hours of congestion, these are not exclusive to London but are definitely getting worse and where they should be looking at. And I won't even start on those eco zones (some of which have already been taken out again) which just made it all worse.

But no, it's just easier to raise the Congestion/parking charges and add new ones in. Which do the square root of feck all ultimately, but line their pockets. They haven't even used the massive amount of money made to make every bus cab electric.

As an aside, I actually think this is the model they are using in the likes of Manchester and Leeds too, the amount of ridiculous new road layouts being put in place surely means multiple charges on the way for most major cities.



ThehatchetMan said:
Good luck when you go to any other UK city and experience their public transport which is a lot less reliable, covers less areas and is incredibly slow and outdated and at a much greater cost too.

Not trying to say the problems you mentioned don't exist. But it's a bit of a kick in the teeth giving that londoners get a huge amount per head for public transport compared to the rest of us.
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Yep. And as I said above, I'm in the northern major cities a fair amount and they are doing the same tricks to block up the roads in those places too.
 
Mockney said:
Compared to most other places in the UK, and indeed other countries (the US, for example) the public transport in London is incredible. We love to moan about it because it’s ours and we’re a moany lot, but it’s easily one of the best in the world comparatively - particularly for the size of population, and you're never more than half a mile from more than one form of it.

Also passenger satisfaction has consistently been around 85%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/412796/london-underground-customer-satisfaction/
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Speaking from Lancashire I love the public transport in London, it's brilliant. To be fair the likes of Manchester and Liverpool are decent, it's the towns and smaller cities that are shit and expensive.
 
Spark said:
Those facial expressions are literally the closest thing to a response to the questions that she can muster. When she's at the dispatch box she totally ignores any argument put to her and continues to waffle utter bollocks ad nuaseam.

Sunak the same, just with less conviction.
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ThehatchetMan said:
It's what they do every week.

Sunak will be out with his buzzword bingo again tomorrow ducking and diving any question:

"But this party here voted down <insert illegal Bill which would never get through the lords>, they don't care"

"But this man here worked under Jeremy Corbyn. The biggest risk to our country (replace with wealthy) in a generation" (added irony given he was chancellor under Boris)

"We helped the most vulnerable during the Pandemic and always will" (As in giving those on JSA an extra 20 quid a month while people on furlough got 30k a year. And let's not start on the covid fraud too)

"The problem with the party on the other side is they don't have solutions" (aka we created a mess and someone else should spoon feed us how to fix it and let us then claim its our own idea)

"But we have supported the most vulnerable with the energy crisis by introducing windfall taxes" (An idea you never came up with and then added a load of loopholes which meant shell paid no windfall tax)


Same shit different week.
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Sweet Square said:
1. The tories don't care

2. The tories also know Labour doesn't care and doesn't have a plan.
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Appreciate the replies. I knew there always is yelling, but never seen almost outright, gleeful laughing.
 
calodo2003 said:
Appreciate the replies. I knew there always is yelling, but never seen almost outright, gleeful laughing.
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Laughing was a frequent occurrence under BJ. But sunak and his troops also do it rather regularly.

Aside from Dominic Raab who seems to have an inability to even fake laugh. He instead just holds some open mouthed stare and looks a bit like a shark. A bit like this

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I highly recommend recording and watching PMQs, if you're into politics it's actually quite an enjoyable watch. I watch it over lunch every Wednesday.
 
ThehatchetMan said:
Laughing was a frequent occurrence under BJ. But sunak and his troops also do it rather regularly.

Aside from Dominic Raab who seems to have an inability to even fake laugh. He instead just holds some open mouthed stare and looks a bit like a shark. A bit like this

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I highly recommend recording and watching PMQs, if you're into politics it's actually quite an enjoyable watch. I watch it over lunch every Wednesday.
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I am definitely keen on politics. Is there a website where I can watch it live?
 
calodo2003 said:
I am definitely keen on politics. Is there a website where I can watch it live?
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BBC iplayer should have it I imagine. I wfh so I just watch it on BBC Parliament usually but think its also on bbc1 or bbc2. Reason I watch it on Parliament as its slightly more extended whereas once the slot for the show ends on BBC 1/2 it will just cut it off mid debate sometimes.
 
ThehatchetMan said:
BBC iplayer should have it I imagine. I wfh so I just watch it on BBC Parliament usually but think its also on bbc1 or bbc2. Reason I watch it on Parliament as its slightly more extended whereas once the slot for the show ends on BBC 1/2 it will just cut it off mid debate sometimes.
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I’m across the pond. I’ll check YouTube to see if anyone posts them on there.
 
Let's be kind to their voters though, we don't want to make them uncomfortable for voting this despicable buch of racist neo-fascists, or they may just not stop voting for them.
 
calodo2003 said:
I’m across the pond. I’ll check YouTube to see if anyone posts them on there.
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Highly recommend watching some old PMQ clips (pretty niche to be fair) or general legendary parliamentary speeches, (e.g. Robin Cook resigning over Iraq, absolute classic).

Gives a good juxtaposition to the current shambolic parliamentary spectacle we're treated to on a near daily basis - just like the ridiculously low quality, shit speeches from Braverman/Lee posted above.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Sweet Jesus they have the podium with their new three word slogan: STOP THE BOATS

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We've done it. We've descended into political depravity. David Cameron was a cnut but they had a handful of achievements to prop them up. These morons have nothing but hateful slogans and distractions.

Before they stop the boats can I get on one so I can sail to the fecking moon?
 
Mockney said:
Compared to most other places in the UK, and indeed other countries (the US, for example) the public transport in London is incredible. We love to moan about it because it’s ours and we’re a moany lot, but it’s easily one of the best in the world comparatively - particularly for the size of population, and you're never more than half a mile from more than one form of it.

Also passenger satisfaction has consistently been around 85%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/412796/london-underground-customer-satisfaction/
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Anyone I've ever met from London says that driving there is a waste of time, the few times I've been there I've seen why they might say that.
 
Adisa said:
You get this shit when they have nothing else to offer.
What is the obsession with immigration in this country ffs?
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Why is there a cost of living crisis?

a) a complicated and diverse range of reasons that require deep thought and discussion to properly understand
b) forriners and imigrints

Same shit happened with the financial crisis a decade ago, except the Tories can't additionally blame Gordon Brown for selling a load of gold this time.
 
Adisa said:
You get this shit when they have nothing else to offer.
What is the obsession with immigration in this country ffs?
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Because the Tories know it triggers the voters and makes them talk about that rather than the shite mess the country is in. Their base will lap this up and the fecking thick voters will fall for it. You basically need the Mick Lynch approach to interviews and call them out as liars. More people need to do that.
 
TheGame said:
This is basically what they will be fighting the election, immigration and thats it. Scare the shit out of people and their base will lap it up.
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I think we'll get the holy trinity of bogeymen foreigners coming ere in boats, Transexuals destroying our children and Kier Starmer got Jimmy Savile off so he's obviously a nonce sympathiser.

The groundwork has already been laid and that covers just about everything your average moron will get angry about that has no bearing on the real problems in their life whatsoever and will allow them to keep dipping their hands into the national pot.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
I think we'll get the holy trinity of bogeymen foreigners coming ere in boats, Transexuals destroying our children and Kier Starmer got Jimmy Savile off so he's obviously a nonce sympathiser.

The groundwork has already been laid and that covers just about everything your average moron will get angry about that has no bearing on the real problems in their life whatsoever and will allow them to keep dipping their hands into the national pot.
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Yep, chuck in the media lapping it up and giving them assistance and Bob's your uncle, another 5 year Tory term. If there isn't a change at the next election, I shudder to think what state the country will be in even compared to now.
 
TheGame said:
This is basically what they will be fighting the election, immigration and thats it. Scare the shit out of people and their base will lap it up.
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It's all pre meditated too. The amount of unprocessed asylum applications has literally sky rocketed the last few years.

So basically:

- Don't process asylum applications to allow asylum population to increase astronomically.
- Keep them out of tory safe seats.
- Place them in labour/swing seats.
- Incete and fuel anger and hatred from those in the areas housing the asylum seekers.
- Use buzz words as often as possible "rapists", "murderers", "drug dealers", "groomers", "pedos", "albanians", "single men"
- Create policies which break refugee convention that you know will never get through the Lords nevermind the commons.
- Blame "the party on the other side" for not voting through a fantasy like fictional Bill which would never have got anywhere.
- Rely on BBC General Director mate and Murdoch and co. to spout their usual bollocks.
- Convince the increasingly large percentage of fickle British folk that the party which has man made an immigration, NHS, housing, energy and economic problems, are the same party which can somehow fix them all.
 
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ThehatchetMan said:
It's all pre meditated too. The amount of unprocessed asylum applications has literally sky rocketed the last few years.

So basically:

- Don't process asylum applications to allow asylum population to increase astronomically.
- Keep them out of tory safe seats.
- Place them in labour/swing seats.
- Incete and fuel anger and hatred from those in the areas housing the asylum seekers.
- Use buzz words as often as possible "rapists", "murderers", "drug dealers", "groomers", "pedos", "albanians", "single men"
- Create policies which break refugee convention that you know will never get through the Lords nevermind the commons.
- Blame "the party on the other side" for not voting through a fantasy like fictional Bill which would never have got anywhere.
- Rely on BBC General Director mate and Murdoch and co. to spout their usual bollocks.
- Convince the increasingly large percentage of fickle British folk that the party which has man made an immigration, NHS, housing, energy and economic problems, are the same party which can somehow fix them all.
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Outstanding post.
 
Even after the last few years, this feels like a new low. The economy is hamstrung by Brexit, the public sector has been trashed, we have an ageing population combined with huge inter-generational disparities in wealth and, to top it all, there is a potentially apocalyptic climate crisis well underway. The response of the party that has been in power for 13 years and arranged the hardest possible break from the rest of Europe short of declaring war - target some poor bastards coming over in dinghies (who choose that route as it is practically impossible to get in legally anyway).
 
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