This. Most have forgotten about the Brexit news from the start of the week already.
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This. Most have forgotten about the Brexit news from the start of the week already.
Nothing to see here.
Agreed.
Johnson will be fortunate to still be an MP once that committee is through with him. His goose is cooked.
So Rushi and Braverman, exactly who does the UK have return agreements with?
France, Belgium, Holland etc etc.
Answer. No one.
So how is this actually going to work in practice?
Rayner layin the smack down here:
You mean the tweets? Just the usual Tory sleaze and corruption.
Yeah sorry, when I asked no tweets were showing on the site. Musk must have unplugged something again.
This is like RAWK, when someone (Jackie Doyle Price) speaks sense, they get hounded upon. There needs to be a time and a place where people like Dorries are put in their place.
Yeah, it's a load of bollocks, but sounds like they're trying to resurrect the Rwanda arrangement. The below just feels like they're laying a trap that Labour will struggle to avoid, given the masses are lapping up this policy.
Suella Braverman vows to 'push boundaries of international law' to stop migrants
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-vows-push-boundaries-international-law-stop/
Just an absolute tosser Sadiq Khan isn’t he.
Seems to forget the scaremongering done when the smoking ban was being debated about how it would wipe out pubs and restaurants.
Not entirely sure how this makes him look like a tosser.
It kinda has to be honest. There’s very few pubs left. Plenty of restaurants that serve alcohol in buildings pubs used to be though.
I don't think that's due to smoking though. More due to cost of living and supermarket alcohol being much cheaper than that in pubs. I'd say the Internet and such probably has had an affect too as people have access to a lot more entertainment at home compared to 20 years ago so probably contributes to more staying at home.
20 years ago I'd have maybe had to meet friends in a pub for a catch up. Nowadays we can play computer games online for example.
The culture wars have begun. Nothing like immigration to get the great British public riled and vote Tory. Problem is a lot of people are thick to fall for it and will vote for them.
The gullible masses may be lapping it up until they are told the reality.
Most of those who have given it some thought realise that as it stands it is totally unworkable without reciprocal arrangements which currently don't exist.
Tories have already decided to run on this issue.
The ULEZ expansion will feck over literally millions of Londoners who can't afford to drive their existing cars and can't afford to buy a new one.
Then, like with the existing ULEZ, councils in places like Manchester will see the money it generates and think 'that's a good idea', so millions get fecked over in those places too.
You can’t say ‘literally millions’ in any good faith.
I don’t think it’s the most elegant solution and nothing like perfect. But the Scrappage Grant is huge, the public transport in the City is incredible, very few cars affected are worth more than the grant payment, and in instances that they are, those people have money and choice. You can get a great ULEZ compliant car for £2000. Easily. People have had forever to get ahead of this.
I’d have liked to have seen a tiered Grant system that saw early switchers given more. Also a year on year creep would have been better, albeit impossibly expensive. Different structures for commercial vehicles. A complete protection for vehicles assisting disabled people.
Beyond all that, I’d have been creative and given two or three days grace for a year or three to allow for shopping trips or chemist runs or all manner of things. Slower and kinder on all fronts, basically.
But The City does need to obliterate so many needless car journeys. The expanded zone is essential to make people rethink their travel choices and make wholesale changes. It’s not revenue generation. It’s not a tax. It’s punishment, and it’s a good step forward. We need more of it.
An estimated 1.5 million in and around London will be affected by it.
Of course it's a tax. The very definition of a stealth tax really. Marketed as something else but unavoidable for the people impacted by it and designed to fill empty coffers.
Surely the best way to tackle emissions is to build cars which actually last and are sustainable.
A wealthy person on their third tesla in 5 years is making a much greater carbon footprint than the man driving the same car for 20 years.
But that's capitalism for you where the motive for everything is profit. Why build cars which last 20 years when you can make more money making the consumer change car every 5-10. And long behold we get a convoy of cars with a lower carbon footprint when running but then wheen you take manufacturing and transport of said cars into account, the carbon footprint from that is much greater than that of the man using the same car for a couple of decades.
A wealthy person on their third tesla in 5 years is making a much greater carbon footprint than the man driving the same car for 20 years.
But that's capitalism for you where the motive for everything is profit. Why build cars which last 20 years when you can make more money making the consumer change car every 5-10. And long behold we get a convoy of cars with a lower carbon footprint when running but then wheen you take manufacturing and transport of said cars into account, the carbon footprint from that is much greater than that of the man using the same car for a couple of decades.
Do those Tesla’s get scrapped?
Nah but perfectly good cars in working order get scrapped to facilitate materialistic people wanting to lease and/or buy brand new cars they don't need.
It's a waterfall model which works its way down. Why fix a head gasket at 500 quid when you can lease a 5 year old audi at 200 a month.
But the person driving the same car for 20 years will always have a lower carbon footprint than the person who has changed car 5 times in that period.
That's not literally millions.
1.5m affected by it. But who? Genuine question. Who is driving a car that they cannot switch for a ULEZ compliant car? I could be way off base but that number seems to be vanishingly low, and while we’re told it’s low income folks affected… it’s actually wealthy people in polluting cars that are on the hook.
That’s why I state it’s not a true tax. It’s a punitive tax (yes my language was sloppy) on bad behaviour. So yeah, a tax but do see my point.
Again, I’m not dying on a hill. I think it’s been poorly rolled out and from what I understand, tradespeople and disabled people have really taken a hit in some cases. But I’ve genuinely only seen The Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraoh, all talk shite about being worried about the little people. But nothing to support that actually happening.
It’s the same shite as LTN’s. Unbridled success that upsets some, so garbage media entities co-opt idiots into hating them. People that live in them, love them. Traffic doesn’t get worse.
It all looks the same to me. I could have very easily missed some key studies but it’s all very vague and woo, supported by people that are normally wrong about everything.
No they don’t, they get sold down the chain.
You mean the waterfall model in my second paragraph?
You need to go back to your 3 r's - reduce, reuse, recycle.
Electric cars reduce emissions but they don't help with reusing or recycling existing cars.
As I said its a waterfall model that goes down the chain but ultimately contributes hugely to carbon emissions when it comes to a cars life cycle. For whatever reason people seem to only like to focus on cars which use less emissions and are ignorant towards everything else which contributes.
‘They all look the same’. Not once was she challenged.
No surprise, GBN is a cesspit full of cnuts.
By pretending ULez is anything other than a money grab. Trying to make out people opposing are somehow in the same bracket as anti vaccers and the far right. Absolutely no reason at all to even start mentioning that.
Also @UnrelatedPsuedo
Just an ode to your comment about the transport in the city being incredible. Do you travel using London transport on a daily basis out of interest? Because I can’t actually fathom how anyone who does would think that
Why were Braverman & Sunak just sitting there basically laughing?