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People aren't ready to hear that on the caf'
It is partially to do with the right wing press but the classic Labour voter is now more right wing than they were and are needed to secure power.
The policies may actually be sensible, like imagine how great a free public option for broadband would be for equality, especially in hindsight during the pandemic, but through the blender of right wing press and general ignorance it's gets mocked and Labour don't have a 'brand' strong enough to bring people with them following Iraq, Rotherham, the financial crisis & the Corbyn years etc.
Wasn't the issue that the majority of the public actually liked Corbyn's policies but didn't like the man himself? And that Starmer was a sensible, respectable choice who could continue with Corbyn's policies but didn't have his baggage?
But now we're being told that, actually, Starmer has to agree with everything the Tories propose because that's the only way Labour get in to power.
They did. He's talking nonsense. Apart from free broadband which inexplicably infuriated people like my cretinous brother who thought that meant poor people would get what he gets but for free.
idiot.It would be nice to know what those policies are!
Ah the free broadband financed by taxing Google and Facebook. The good old days.
Reset needed.
Reset needed.
Sunak should be thrilled that this story is out, he's always telling us how much he loves transparency.
Biggest misnomer imo.
Yep.
Yeah but what my superior centrist brain has already grasped and your feeble corbynista brain struggles with is that Reeves has to take the money. It's how politics works, Labour will never get elected unless they're willing to act like the Tories and network with the benefit of compensation.
You probably think politicians should act with integrity and free from paid influence oh sweet summer child. Something something CORBYN.
The BBC chairman looks like the most Tory Tory I’ve ever seen. Dead, smug eyes.
People didn’t vote for Corbyn because the right wing dominated press don’t like his policies. They were even willing to back the dirtiest BJ in history over Corbyn. If Starmer kept Corbyn’s policies he’d stand no chance getting elected. The past 45 years in British politics sure proves this without any matter of doubt.
Yep pretty much. It really is for these people when Conservatives lie and take money from private donors it’s bad but when Labour do it, it’s in fact really smart and good!
So your advocating politicians should lie to in order to get elected(Starmer running a left leadership campaign and now a right general election strategy).
And the reason to voting for this is because…….
Exactly right. The last thing people want is honest people working for them in the job they were elected to do. We'd all do the same and what's more important is that we focus on waving flags, Kate's new outfit and pushing dinghies back into the sea. At least that's what the papers tell me to think.
They're all as bad as each other so we might as well vote Tory. Actually can see an iteration of that being a very effective slogan come the next GE.
Yep pretty much. It really is for these people when Conservatives lie and take money from private donors it’s bad but when Labour do it, it’s in fact really smart and good!
So your advocating politicians should lie to in order to get elected(Starmer running a left leadership campaign and now a right general election strategy).
And the reason to voting for this is because…….
I’m pointing out that if Labour wants to get elected to govern they require the Blair approach unfortunately. This is the reality. On the other hand, the Tories are far the worst option and people need to vote Labour in order to remove the Tories, this is what I’m advocating.
If people think the only to win a general election is on a right wing bring back the 90’s Blair platform than fair enough but they should say it honestly and put it to a vote with the labour membership.
Which Starmer didn’t do, he ran on social democratic policy platform and has now completely abandoned it. Thats not pragmatic, that’s just lying.
I'm confused, why does not voting for labour mean you're voting conservative? Just because I think Labour are fairly scummy right now doesn't mean I'll be ticking the box next to the Tory shithead come election day.
You can shit on Labour and Starmer all you want, rightly so for many reasons.
But pretending they're the same as the current tory party is many steps beyond reasonable.
Starmer might be a tory in disguise, but Rayner and Cooper are not Cruella, Reeves is definitely not as shady as Zahawi or Sunak, and even Streeting is not as bad as Hancock, and the list can go on for a while. Perhaps they're not the best government in the world, but they're easily a great improvement to what we currently have.
But pretending they're the same as the current tory party is many steps beyond reasonable.
Starmer might be a tory in disguise, but Rayner and Cooper are not Cruella, Reeves is definitely not as shady as Zahawi or Sunak, and even Streeting is not as bad as Hancock, and the list can go on for a while. Perhaps they're not the best government in the world, but they're easily a great improvement to what we currently have.
I don't see how that makes her worse than the tax evasion dudes you currently want to have in power.
She doesn't say she will make unfair changes.
Well being realistic Labour are the only party capable of beating the Tories, it’s one or the other. If you vote Lib Dems, Green or any of the other parties it’s essentially a wasted vote and it indirectly benefits the Tories because even though you aren’t voting for them you’re also not allowing Labour to gain the votes to overtake them.
I think it depends on what you mean by 'a great improvement'. Like I said a few posts back I'd settle at the moment for people in charge who aren't just blatant crooks which this lot obviously are.
Let's face it for the establishment, the total and complete suppression of the left is far more important than whether we have the Tories or a right leaning Labour party in charge. Makes no bones to them as long as their money is safe.
So I got called a Tory but someone who agrees with the benefits cuts of the Ed Miliband era.
Yeah I’m going to give the next election miss tbh.
You got called a tory because you specifically said that you would prefer the tories to win the next elections.
Whoosh, huge loss.
The eternal British obsession with "Benefit scroungers" is incredible to me. I wonder if any other country is quite the same?
I get the impression that the average Brit would rather be had over a barrel by the corporate class every day of their lives than see somebody who's poor being given 50p for nothing.
I will remind you of that after the next GE.
But if everyone continues to think like this then this will continue for ever more. Labour may get in at the next election and almost certainly will lose the subsequent one and then you'll have the Tories for another two or three terms and the cycle repeats.
Time for thinking outside the box, but nobody's prepared to do it.
I just don't agree with that viewpoint. It's Labour's job to earn my vote, not get it by default because the Tories are corrupt wankers.
I live in a safe Tory stronghold anyway, surrounded by farmers, pensioners and second homes. My vote doesn't count for crap.
Wouldn’t use it on any leaflets or posters imo.
I think there’s something similar in the US but it’s more racialised(Black single mothers getting called “welfare queens”, especially in the 90’s)
Still there is a unique Britishness to hating welfare, which is the fantasy that benefits claimants are living a great life with a million flat screen tv or unlimited holidays. Yet if you ask the people who believe this rubbish, if things are so good on welfare why aren’t they also claiming, they suddenly go very quite.
Like immigrates, people on benefits are a easy target for reactionary politicians and voters
Nah I’m good, thanks.
Well actually it's time for a riot but nobody is prepared to do that either.
@Sweet Square - you wanna kick one off? Though I'm not sure I can trust you to do it properly after those MI:2 posts. Probably just throw a load of doves in the air or something and film it in slow mo.
just you wait for farmers to realise that brexit will ruin them, pensioners to start losing the triple lock, and second home mortgages to skyrocket
I was talking to my fiancée the other day: I can't understand why we aren't all in the streets, and literally dragging the government out of Downing street with the corrupt shit they pull. They are basically stealing money from us to pay to their friends and themselves. They then use the lack of money to enact policies that screw anyone that isn't in the millionaire or above class.
The French are going on strike because of the possibility of their retirement age being raised to 64. We'll never retire. Just die working to pay for those older than us to have their pensions safe.
Can we quote you on prefering the tories to win the next election at least? Or is that something you don't want brought up?
just you wait for farmers to realise that brexit will ruin them, pensioners to start losing the triple lock, and second home mortgages to skyrocket
Not to mention all the businesses going under this year. It's going to be a bloodbath.
just you wait for farmers to realise that brexit will ruin them, pensioners to start losing the triple lock, and second home mortgages to skyrocket
They still won't vote anything other than Tory or a Tory like party.