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Why do your piste always come across as smug? Very ToryIf Boris returns as leader, he will win the next GE, the Brits love nothing better than a 'comeback kid'
You guys just cant make this up...
2nd time Bojo...
Good lord
2nd time Bojo...
Good lord
exactly
Imagine hearing this about a surgeon or a pilot"He made a few mistakes but who doesn't?"
Yes, I suppose they do, I'm having a go at myself really...after a lifetime of supporting Labour, I have despaired that they would ever get the 'hang' of how to achieve/use power for their 'natural supporters', the Tories seem to do it so easily, it's annoying but I've learned to live with it!
I thought this time with the Tories apparently in disarray it should be a 'cake walk' for Labour... but if Boris does resume command, then I am not sure, he's a 'rogue' but with the non-aligned (politically speaking) Brits he is a loveable one, and he reaches places others cannot reach.
Let's hope for once the fabled Tory ability to 'pull the rabbit out of the hat' fails. I have said this often, but IMO Labour needs to find the genuine big ideas that help the millions of their supporters in their everyday lives... e.g. the Education Act and the NHS both now almost 80 years old, millions of ordinary men and women in post war UK and since have had their lives secured, changed and uplifted simply by these two Acts of a Labour Government.
The truth perhaps is that too many Labour politicians over the years have been committed to 'international socialist ideals' at the expense of the basics (Maslow's Ladder) ideals etc. that are needed for their natural supporters to continue to benefit. As a result, what power the Labour Party held, was always tenuous at best and they were never able to make any real progress... and even if they do get into power now, the 'money markets' and external factors will have such a pull (in terms of 'economic gravity') they will need 3 or more terms of office to make any real difference.
If Starmer does win, then whatever the rights and wrongs of how we got here, he really does have to make Brexit work for his people, otherwise Labour will never get another chance like this again. Sir Keir does seem to have grasped that idea, so maybe just maybe he can come up with further ideas that rival the Education Act and Health Service Acts of yester year.
There's definitely a double down culture in the UK. Rather than admit you were wrong to vote him in (and brexit), get him in a 2nd time and hope for the best.
And then he'll be sacked, again, for the exact same reason he got sacked the first time and they'll be wondering where it all went wrong.
And then he'll be sacked, again, for the exact same reason he got sacked the first time and they'll be wondering where it all went wrong.
This will over by tomorrow I feel. Boris will rather get a front bench seat as Foreign than not get the 100 which he won't get and be embarrassed. Mordunt will get nowhere near the nomination but she will also be given a prominent role
Rishi will be new PM by Monday I am convinced
Rishi will be new PM by Monday I am convinced
Yeah think it’s obvious at this point.
He’s also in favour of higher taxes and fiscal control, that isn’t going to unite the party.
GE won’t be long.
I got the impression the working relationship between Sunak and Johnson massively broke down. I don't see how they can co-exist in a cabinet, especially with Rishi as the top dog to be honest.
I think he would rather sit on the back benches and chunter loudly that sunak has no mandate from the people and there needs to be a ge
And when sunak gets smashed he will have his chance to lead again
I see Steve Baker is now listed on team rishi... if boris can't get a big chunk of the erg I think he might struggle on the 100
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They'll work together
‘Make Brexit work’ … is that a joke?
Is that your first time reading his posts? It’s a boomer fever dream every time
Guido’s list now has 60% declared but Boris only has 55 named votes on there. All depends on how real the anons are.
It may not even depend on that
If Boris can't get say 115 votes then in theory rishi could easily lend enough votes to mourdant to ensure she is in the final two at which point she withdraws
Will be interesting to see if that happens because if it does your going to have Johnson plus about 50 conservatives calling for a ge as well... thats enough to win the vote with the opposition
Is vote lending permitted?
Yes each campaign will have its own whips and if they have enough votes they can instruct some of their backers to vote for somebody else (eg mordaunt) in the first round
Voting Johnson back in would be li
The only surprising thing is that the thought is voiced publicly on a phone-in.
The only surprising thing is that the thought is voiced publicly on a phone-in.
It explains how Truss got in.
Is it safe to assume he's everything wrong with "aristocrats"?
Why would anyone find that surprising? Of course that's what most Tories think.
As crap as Liss Truss was, she wasn't as bad as Boris because with him comes crap like Nadine Dories who'll again look to sell off channel 4.
The sad thing is it is going to be Boris. Mourdant doesn't have a chance, and when the vote goes to the party members there'll only be one winner. Which is a shame because Sunak actually has some good ideas, economy aside, like on tackling the NHS waiting list.
The sad thing is it is going to be Boris. Mourdant doesn't have a chance, and when the vote goes to the party members there'll only be one winner. Which is a shame because Sunak actually has some good ideas, economy aside, like on tackling the NHS waiting list.
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Wouldn‘t be surprised if Johnson’s side are orchestrating a disinformation campaign though. I’d be more surprised if they weren’t.
Wouldn‘t be surprised if Johnson’s side are orchestrating a disinformation campaign though. I’d be more surprised if they weren’t.
If he chooses to be.
The bbc should not be delivering the BS spin of these charlatans.
Why would the BBC journos stop talking about their chum?!If he chooses to be.
The bbc should not be delivering the BS spin of these charlatans.
If he chooses to be.
The bbc should not be delivering the BS spin of these charlatans.
Guido who is well known for being close to Johnson hasn't given him a new named nomination since this morning whilst he's been updating Rishi's nominations all day.
I reckon Johnson’s plan is to do a deal to concede on the basis the investigations into him are finished.
Possibly. I think he'll want a decent cabinet job as well.
I'm pretty sure he's only after the big job.
He certainly won't want to serve under Sunak.
Sunak won’t want to go up against him in a members vote either.
Poor Penny, she's a trier.
His wife is fabulously wealthy and from proper old money. She's the heir to the Fitzwilliam estate, Bourne Park in Kent.
@Pexbo just to add on the Boris deal theory. I think he'll want the Foreign Secretary position so he can go playing the hero in Ukraine. The Ukraine official account posted this but deleted it
I think the longer Boris stays silent, the more confident we should be of him not hitting the threshold.
He’d never want to suffer the humiliation of running and then not getting the 100 needed, so if he stays quiet and doesn’t he can just claim he’s back doing the job of an MP.
If he announces, he’ll already have the 100 in the bag.
He’d never want to suffer the humiliation of running and then not getting the 100 needed, so if he stays quiet and doesn’t he can just claim he’s back doing the job of an MP.
If he announces, he’ll already have the 100 in the bag.