The narrative is very much focused on Truss and Kwarteng, they're being painted in a media as a couple of rogue agents acting alone.
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The narrative is very much focused on Truss and Kwarteng, they're being painted in a media as a couple of rogue agents acting alone.
This is probably the truest and most succint analysis of the UK's issues and explains why we have continually put up with such crappy governments. People only get upset if their British sense of fairness poked, as in MPs expenses, Partygate and the 45p rate. They won't bat an eyelid over any other issues regardless how awful.
No, it signals the return of Boris to lead them into the next election.
It's a token gesture in reality, a tiny percentage of the cuts. If the Tories continue to be polling this badly then the drama may not be over.
Looks like they're already in conflict.
Martin Lewis is destroying Chris Philp.
She said yesterday - Kwame didn't consult the cabinet. Utter bullshit, cos what, he just announced it in the Commons and was news to everyone behind him? If so, they didn't look shocked
Agreed.
Of course she fecking did
. There's no way a PM is going to sign off on a budget without agreeing to the headline policies and it fits very well with her own views. She's such a rat.That is a very good point. We certainly used to protest. And protest very loudly and over a wide range of issues. Ban the Bomb, Greenham Common, Poll Tax, unemployment etc etc. But these were all a generation ago. And I was proud to be part of that type of generation which was not frightened to push for change.
This generation think that by expressing their views on social media, that is enough.
And the end product is that you get the government you deserve.
Interesting thread. Essentially saying that there are enough Sunak acolytes that would have no trouble joining Labour to vote down the worst of Truss/Kwarteng policies thus making this a hung parliament.
Well it’s not that simple as ‘this generation’ because if anything - issues like BLM, Insulate Britain etc has shown, is that ‘this generation’ does have an appetite for protests - but when it inconveniences the wider population then support quickly wanes. People were frothing at the mouth at protestors who were insisting the government do more to make homes better insulated ffs.
And ultimately it’s not down to the younger generation to protest on their own because it’s not like that’s the target voter for this government anyway. It’s the Gen X’ers & Boomers who should be on the streets, because they make the majority of their voter base and they’re more likely to listen to them.
But at the same time, this quick dismissal of social media as something that exists in a vacuum and isn’t part of reality or doesn’t have an effect is so dated too - anyone who continues to play down the impact of platforms like Twitter (when used properly) is way behind the curve. You only need to point to Rashford pressuring Boris into a U-Turn as an example of social media pressure applied correctly.
People protest all the time. The top 6 most attended protests in UK history all happened after the year 2000. In fact some of the most attended protests of all time happened in the past few years against Brexit.
In fairness that's not quite what she said. She said that she and Kwarteng did not discuss every aspect of the budget with the cabinet.
Gove, who to be fair wasn't exactly packing his punches, said this is apparently routine.
Pretty much. This weekend
There has been protests and strikes for months now.
Have you been living in a cave the last decade?
Cheeky U Turn number 1.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...lan-to-abolish-45-top-rate-of-income-tax-live
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...lan-to-abolish-45-top-rate-of-income-tax-live
Would anyone be surprised if this was all done just to help a mate on a Forex trade?
They are all so pathetic that I think I'd almost prefer bald face corruption over whatever this garbage fire of a government is.
The problem is the damage (and unnecessary damage at that) has already been done. Chaos and uncertainty in the market which could have been avoided and as such created even more chaos and uncertainty for average everyday people.
Have they listened to anyone? I doubt it. They’ve listened to the mumbling of discontent at the conference and decided in the interests of self preservation to reverse it.
Hopefully people continue to see through it.
Dangerous this. To the layman they've reversed the damage but as has been pointed out its a tiny fraction of the problem. Media seem to be letting them play into that.
Time for a people's party
All very fair.
What I was trying to say was that before social media, physical protests were much more in evidence. And those physical protests tended to achieve more because of their obvious presence.
Have BLM and insulate Britain, both of which is an absolute necessity, actually changed anything.
Explain.
The real question is whether they can pin the mortgage rises on something other than their economic policy. That's a real world impact a lot of people will feel and will hurt their core vote. Stuff like falling sterling or rising gilt returns can feel unreal to a lot of people.
Doesn’t make much sense for me to reproduce what others have already laid out so I’ll just quote their efforts:
I just think that before social media we saw picture & video evidence of protests in newspapers and depicted in tv & movies - that and the 'punk britain' era is highly romanticised and made out as though everyone of that era was anti-establishment, which of course wasn't the case.
Also it's not just a case of protesting only to acheive something, a lot of it is expression & optics particularly with BLM.
The point of the original post was that as a populace we allow these politicians to continue to fail up by not applying pressure whenever they make decisions that affect a sub-sect of society at a time, whether its those on benefits, single parents, working class, graduates etc instead of everyone pulling together and not only when it affects us personally.
She's completely quackers.
Spinning it as a “distraction”. Heard quasi modo on the news this morning spinning that line again. Not admitting it’s wrong
No wonder Martin Lewis is so well respected by many people.
Yes he does like the sound of his own voice. But he is one of the few who are able to both understand the issues and be able to articulate them well.
Ok. Hands up. Looks like I was incorrect in my opinion. My judgement was coloured by the strikes of the 1970's and early 1980's.
So I accept your correction.
Actually, I think you are correct in terms of mass protests that actually achieved something, the 'Kill the bill" campaign in the early 1970's, did eventually lead to the disestablishment of the Industrial Relations Court ('Black Jack' Donaldson and all that), even the Poll tax went; but how many relatively recent mass protests have been successful?
Touché
This lady is for Trussing.
What a farce. Labour will be delighted.
What a farce. Labour will be delighted.
I am glad to see that they have u-turned on that disastrous aspect of their awful budget. However, I think there is a risk of this playing out among the general public as "well they listened to us and changed their minds, they are pragmatic" rather than how embarrassing needing to u-turn is in the first place.
it was one of the smaller elements in terms of tax generated as well so the huge cuts that were going to be required are still going to be required
Plus given what that have said about the issue being how they prepared the ground for it I could see them looking to bring it back in April anyway
Agreed, not to mention the damage has already been done given the impact on the interest rate as well as the £65bn chucked on the country's tab to prop up the pension markets after the announcements.