Westminster Politics

[sun_tzu]

Tory MPs can rebel and not pass her budget. She’d be dead in the water if that happens.

Gove seems to be positioning himself to be the safe pair of hands to take over

His odds have been slashed at some bookies indicating that they may have had some big bets put on

 

[largelyworried]

Does that include parental leave, sick leave and the minimum wage?

Child labour laws?

Probably just means that they'll be classed as small businesses. Small businesses already have exemptions from certain things like modern slavery reporting, money laundering regs, certain accounting practices, and stuff like that.

 

[Frosty]

 

[TheGame]

 

[V.O.]

Fair play to Fabricant for keeping his hair on.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Liz Truss is the Harry Maguire of politics

"If I wasn't good enough, the Tory members wouldn't have voted me to be PM, week in week out."

 

[Vidyoyo]

You couldn't move for protest groups in Notts yesterday. We had tories out, hong kong solidarity and something about palestine occupying the main square alone.

Top place to be right now if you like making signs.

 

[Pexbo]

Doubt it will make a difference but I think it has to be debated in Parliament when it reaches a certain point and quite frankly the more signatures the better when it’s read out.

Over 410k signatures now. For reference, Truss is PM because of 81k Tory member votes.

 

[matherto]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...-people-social-housing-hinduja-old-war-office

This makes me so damn angry

 

[Frosty]

Over 410k signatures now. For reference, Truss is PM because of 81k Tory member votes.

There has to be a debate as it passed 100k, although Governments usually try and shove this sort of embarrassing stuff to Westminster Hall. Still though. Impressive.

People usually make the mistake of doing petitions through change.org and other sites - there is zero requirement for these to even be responded to let alone debated.

 

[Frosty]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...-people-social-housing-hinduja-old-war-office

This makes me so damn angry

Labour took control of Westminster council for the first time at the 2022 local elections in May. The council said it could not retrospectively change the planning ruling.

Labour councillor Geoff Barraclough, Westminster city council’s current cabinet member for planning, told the Guardian: “According to Westminster council’s own policies, the Old War Office should have provided almost 8,000 square metres of affordable housing, enough for 98 flats.

“The planning committee at that time accepted the developer’s viability assessment and its conclusion that the requirement for on-site affordable housing could not be delivered and therefore received a £10m cash-in-lieu payment.

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So the Tory Council ensured the decision could not be reversed by the local elections and a change of administration. How democratic.

 

[Jericholyte2]

Seeing the news about changing the threshold for small business to 500 employees vs 250 currently.

Do anyone with more knowledge of this situation have an idea about the implications of this? Am I right in my immediate assumption that this impacts H&S, holiday / sick pay and other similar issues?

 

[finneh]

Seeing the news about changing the threshold for small business to 500 employees vs 250 currently.

Do anyone with more knowledge of this situation have an idea about the implications of this? Am I right in my immediate assumption that this impacts H&S, holiday / sick pay and other similar issues?

Nah it'll be more to the tune of publishing gender pay gaps, having published modern slavery policies, GDPR processes, possibly how onerous the accountancy practices are required to be if it extends to turnover as well as head count (holiday / sick pay is not dependant on business size)

 

[Drifter]

 

[sun_tzu]

Putting the vote on the budget back till November

Running scared or her own mps

 

[Frosty]

 

[largelyworried]

 

[LARulz]

She prepped for that yesterday by saying it wasn't discussed with the cabinet which is obvious bullshit. That way she can always say she, as the fecking PM, was as surprised as anybody and thought it was wrong from the start except for sitting there like a nodding dog when it was announced

 

[TheGame]

Fecking shambles.

 

[largelyworried]

Least worst option territory, but she'll face huge political damage from this if it's true. Most people won't soon forget the intent to cut, and the minority that was in favour of this tax cut will be disappointed with not staying the course. A few Tory MPs will claim she's being sensible in order not to seem too backstabby now she's been forced into a u-turn, but that's about it. Gove will be cock-a-hoop.

Be interesting to see who announces it and what the line is. Will Truss dump the blame on Kwarteng? Will they frame it as "we listened"?

 

[That'sHernandez]

Least worst option territory, but she'll face huge political damage from this if it's true. Most people won't soon forget the intent to cut, and the minority that was in favour of this tax cut will be disappointed with not staying the course. A few Tory MPs will claim she's being sensible in order not to seem too backstabby now she's been forced into a u-turn, but that's about it. Gove will be cock-a-hoop.

Be interesting to see who announces it and what the line is. Will Truss dump the blame on Kwarteng? Will they frame it as "we listened"?

They are framing it as they listened. Except they blatantly didn’t listen at all.

 

[Rooney24]

Place is being run by absolute imbeciles

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Shame I was hoping to see the drama in getting it through parliament. I think some MPs would've even crossed the floor. Could've brought down the government.

 

[arnie_ni]

Why the feck did they think it was a good idea to remove it anyway?

 

[FireballXL5]

It was fundamental to his 'plan for growth'.

Kwasi Kwarteng U-turns on plans to scrap 45p tax rate

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63114279

 

[Buster15]

The XC has just said on BBC in his own words that it was the PM who decided to scrap the 45p tax change and that it was 'a distraction'.

 

[villain]

Every day that these cnuts aren’t flogged in the streets for corruption & shamelessness is a day wasted.

I wonder if his hedge fund buddies closed their short positions on the £

 

[Pexbo]

It was fundamental to his 'plan for growth'.

Kwasi Kwarteng U-turns on plans to scrap 45p tax rate

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63114279

It’s done most of the damage already and as you say was a key function to his growth plan. So what’s the plan now?

 

[Drainy]

I wonder if his hedge fund buddies closed their short positions on the £

its actually appalling how blatant they are with it all

 

[LARulz]

Shame I was hoping to see the drama in getting it through parliament. I think some MPs would've even crossed the floor. Could've brought down the government.

Same, I was really hoping for some drama

Now they are just framing it as "Look at us, we listen" even if it's after a screw up

 

[villain]

its actually appalling how blatant they are with it all

Because they know they can get away with it, that’s it.
As a collective this country doesn’t like to protest and instead thinks accepting the bare minimum from politicians is a sign of resilience.

They won’t change until they are held accountable for every decision they make, but I doubt the public has the energy or enthusiasm to do that - especially on issues that don’t personally affect them.

 

[TheReligion]

They are all over the place

It’s embarrassing

 

[Classical Mechanic]

It’s done most of the damage already and as you say was a key function to his growth plan. So what’s the plan now?

 

[Buster15]

Same, I was really hoping for some drama

Now they are just framing it as "Look at us, we listen" even if it's after a screw up

Well the PM certainly was not in listening mode yesterday. It is going to be interesting to see how they spin this embarrassing U Turn and how they shift the blame for who the idea of the 45p tax policy came from.

 

[Adisa]

She has to be the quickest PM to be a lame duck.

 

[Pexbo]

She has to be the quickest PM to be a lame duck.

Ironic as she is probably the slowest PM we’ve ever had

 

[That'sHernandez]

She has to be the quickest PM to be a lame duck.

Perhaps Liz Truss failing so catastrophically is a good thing on more levels than Labour potentially getting into power... does this signal the end of the grip the ERG and extreme right wing politics have on both the Tory party and the general narrative?

 

[africanspur]

They are framing it as they listened. Except they blatantly didn’t listen at all.

Oh they did listen, just not to the people we wish they had listened to. They've listened to mps telling them they wouldn't vote for her budget, including a former senior cabinet minister saying it on live TV. I imagine those whispers have only amplified at the party conference and probably many mps have indicated they're not cowed by the threat of losing the whip (because of the greater threat of losing their seats in 2 years time).

She always had a shaky grasp on the parliamentary party, seems to have alienated many people by choosing a cabinet of only ultra loyalists and has shown an incredible tone deafness and lack of empathy during her time already.

Genuinely don't have the words for her or the rest of the cabinet.

 

[Zen86]

Perhaps Liz Truss failing so catastrophically is a good thing on more levels than Labour potentially getting into power... does this signal the end of the grip the ERG and extreme right wing politics have on both the Tory party and the general narrative?

Doubt it. This is all landing individually on Truss and Kwarteng. The rest are quite good at distancing themselves at the first sign of trouble.

 

[That'sHernandez]

Doubt it. This is all landing individually on Truss and Kwarteng. The rest are quite good at distancing themselves at the first sign of trouble.

Individually in trouble but this is policy direct from them and it is not washing. I don't see how this can be sustained any more.