There is no possibility of the English voting for unity with Ireland in any kind of federation, average English guy would be glad to see a complete separation. When the Scots campaign in the next independence referendum they will most likely include keeping the Queen, so as not to lose royalist votes, so Scotland wouldn't be a republic, and the Welsh absolutely do not give a shit about the Prince of Wales, if anything he's more likely to be a minus in arguments for unity than a plus.
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I'm not sure I agree with this. I think England/Britain would be happy for a union with Ireland, but quite understandably given the history a majority of Irish wouldn't go for it.
We would have to see but I'm remembering a lifetime of hearing jokes that the Irish problem would be solved if only it could be towed across the Atlantic for the yanks to sort out. Not funny, but it reflected how the ordinary English person thought. If you were to spin the question by asking 'would you want a union with a peaceful and friendly Ireland' then you might well get a yes, but given the history few would accept the premise.
Is there such a thing as the average 'English guy' nowadays? If there is then I would suspect he would want rid of all Celts, "been nowt but trouble since the Romans left, all of them, the Welsh Kings, Robert the Bruce in Scotland and the IRA" ...you can probably hear such comments in many a traditional English pub taproom!
Really I know those Scots employed on the Queens Estates might be against, but most of the noises coming from hard line SNP's seem to be yearning for Republican status for a new 'free' Scotland.
True they probably don't, but the Welsh Tourist Board do, next to agriculture isn't visitor numbers (especially the Royal connection for overseas visitors) what keeps some money... coming home again to Wales?
All the Countries that make up these Islands will some day have to get together, as equals. Boris believes when they do there will be no stopping them!
When I've been to north and west scotland half the people there seem to be english anyway. I don't know what difference that makes though, one I know in particular was rabidly pro-independence.
To paraphrase...um...somebody famous...'Some countries would be more equal than others'.
Yes, under present arrangements that is definitely true, its why an over-arcing written constitution for the Greater United British Isles would be an imperative
otherwise as you point out...somebody famous also once said..."there would be a great danger of History repeating itself"
Bloody Scots!
It's miraculous that there ever were any kind of alliance of peoples, considering that just about every nation's folks believes theirs is 'God's own country'.
When I've been to north and west scotland half the people there seem to be english anyway. I don't know what difference that makes though, one I know in particular was rabidly pro-independence.
Yes, that' is it really, in the whole of the UK there is a patchwork quilt of English, Irish, Scots and Welsh ancestry woven in. I would say without exception everyone I have got to know really well in the past ten years, neighbours, work mates, business acquaintances etc have all got some past (or sometimes present) family member who originated from one of the four countries in these Isles.
Probably where the... "did you hear the one about the Englishman, Irish and Scotsmen"... joke originates. Funny there is hardly any mention of the Welsh is there? 'Too much High Chapel' I suspect!
No... that's Yorkshire isn't it?
We're an afterthought even in ridicule.
We're an afterthought even in ridicule.
No, not really!
My theory is the Welsh are so serious, don't often laugh at themselves, where as the Irish and Scots do, with regularity, and so do the English, albeit in a more sardonic way.
Draco proposed execution for idleness in Ancient Greece, they should be thankful.
What the feck do they need 323 quid for?
Took a stand and refused to sack his Spads apparently.
Now that is a surprise.
Too brown.
It's a fecking patently ridiculous idea and party politics have nothing to do with it.
Looks like Cummings wants more minions in the Cabinet.
Took a stand and refused to sack his Spads apparently.
So he does have some principles then.
Javid didn't last long- could never tell how much it was him being an idiot versus how much he was just towing the government' line- eg the stuff about 'Johnson's EU departure deal doesn't need an economic impact assessment because it's obviously a good deal.'
Just read about a Dutch guy who wants to dam both ends of the North Sea. Too much weed being smoked I guess.
He always looked very uncomfortable with relaying the party lines and i assume this means all his reported clashes with Cummimgs are true.
It's a bad sign for me as it's another testament to the idea that Cummings is running the show and Boris won't run as a moderate.
He doesn't have any principles. He's been consistently embarrassed. Last time Trump came, he wasn't invited. He's been overruled constantly.
Difficult to guess the true politics. Cummings hates Javids advisors apparently so that could be behind it. But ultimately, to have a completely separate team each behind the PM and the Chancellor is bound to cause ructions and it makes sense for there to be a single team supporting both.
Alternative viewpoint - ministers should be free to choose their own advisors and a healthy functioning democratic government should welcome opinion and debate with a variety of people from various backgrounds who they may or may not agree with. Choosing to pose a united front to the public/media is a given but in order to make decisions for the good of the country it's probably not wise to cull any dissenters. That's what communists do.
Took a stand and refused to sack his Spads apparently.
Good he was a cnut
Yeah it really doesn't and that segregation is an important element of our governmental structure. The treasury being quite an integral office needs some autonomy and the ability to challenge central policy. It seems like Javid and his advisers saying no is the main reason he's got the chop.
We're getting further and further down the populism route. They already constantly attack the civil service and you can guarantee more and more of them will be politicised.
Also how the feck has Sunak got the job beyond being a boot licker over the last year.
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Chancellor and Prime Minister is so important though. The latter Brown and Blair years were besmirched by conflict while Cameron and Osborne were able to quite effectively implement their legislative agenda as they were in complete alignment.
Slightly browner than Sunak? Maybe it's a bald thing.
Good riddance to Javid
He's got himself another Brown distracter
Because they don't want a chancellor, they want someone to smile whilst holding a red box, which is why Javid resigned.
Well done to Boris for appointing the first and second Asian Chancellors of the Exchequer. This shows the Conservative Party really do care about diversity.
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Gota hand it to Boris, doesn't want to sack Javid out right, so makes him an offer he's bound to refuse!
Cabinet Ministers be warned, 'feck up' once, answer back, fail to agree or slouch in your chair at meetings and you're out.
Must be great for a PM to have an 80 seat majority and a Dominic (Machiavelli) Cummings in the background
Cabinet Ministers be warned, 'feck up' once, answer back, fail to agree or slouch in your chair at meetings and you're out.
Must be great for a PM to have an 80 seat majority and a Dominic (Machiavelli) Cummings in the background