Westminster Politics
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Does no one else find it very odd that this cretin dyes his hair bleach blonde every two weeks?
Neither would I, but not why I posted it.
I always try to know what the opposing view thinks, and in this instance, there are polar opposite reactions to the same event. It's becoming ever more myopic.
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The twin objectives of the Johnson government when it took office after the ousting of Theresa May – Brexit by the end of October and a general election fought on a “people versus the elites” platform – remain utterly unchanged by the supreme court ruling.
Johnson’s two-month premiership has been based on an audacious and slightly crazy plan. It still is based on it today, even after Tuesday’s humiliation. That plan is the overriding need, as the Tory right sees it, to deliver Brexit after three years, and in so doing marginalise the Brexit party in a general election.
The as yet insuperable problem with the plan is that it is fuelled wholly by the kind of bravado and pomposity that Johnson displayed this evening. There is a hung parliament, which means the Johnson Conservatives cannot get their own way without compromises they are not prepared to make. And there is the rule of law, which means they cannot ignore the constitution and the courts.
Taken from brilliant article below by Martin Kettle
Glad to see these childish tossers really make use of the first day back in parliament by doing some name calling. Burn it down and start again
Here come the cheerleaders for the big con:
There's no hope for Britain should this man win an election.
I believe I may get another smug 'told you so' moment soonish as I called impeachment long before it was popular.
Serious meetings happened late into last night about the viability of impeachment. I am not privy to the outcome but you can be assured the idea is gaining steam given the attendees.
It is 'considered obselete' only in that the Blair government decided to do so. It is assumed that the speaker would at the least grant a debate on the matter.
Serious meetings happened late into last night about the viability of impeachment. I am not privy to the outcome but you can be assured the idea is gaining steam given the attendees.
It is 'considered obselete' only in that the Blair government decided to do so. It is assumed that the speaker would at the least grant a debate on the matter.
There really isn't. It would be a descent into full blown Trumpism.
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I'm afraid we're already there, just take a look at the papers, the express, mail and telegraph wouldn't be out of place in 30's Germany. I genuinely fear we're heading for civil unrest, the army on the streets and Johnson at the dispatch box brushing it off for the next 5 years, all while the BBC excuse the actions with their particular brand of subtle propaganda.
His comment about brexiting in the memory of Jo Cox was absolutely abhorrent.
What a fecking sociopath.
What a fecking sociopath.
Because MPs rightly fear what happened to her will happen to one of them.
Comments one would consider shocking if it came from the mouth of a despot in a "third world country."
The profiles. It's not just the Labour/SNP fringes; at least 2 independents are involved in taking legal advice about it. (I'd guess Boles and Soames, but I can't tell you that with any authority.)
It's still a sticky wicket; bringing it to a vote is going to be a lot more complex than conviction. (I doubt the House of Lords would even blink before convicting.) Bercow is on his way out anyway though, so the chances are good.
Here come the cheerleaders for the big con:
That’s just awful. The Torygraph in particular, a so called serious responsible paper. Utterly disgusting, makes you lose faith in humanity.
Jo Cox's husband was on 5 live this morning. I thought he spoke very well.
I don't think the other parties will vote with the government
It means then they have 14 days to form a gnu or it will be a ge and in theory a hard brexit I guess as the ge won't take place (I assume) till November
Nah I get that but I also think you just have to deal with it. I have had death threats in my job, some ridiculous and others a bit more menacing, but it is what it is. It's totally wrong obviously but they shouldn't keep dragging up Jo Cox to petty point score in my opinion. It's all overly dramatic.
Wall to wall media coverage this morning about the use of some words in parliament. It’s truly unbelievable. MPs and media are so incompetent they just obsess over the trivialities to cover it up.
Surely no serious adult really believes that a few childish words are the real cause of anger in the country
Surely no serious adult really believes that a few childish words are the real cause of anger in the country
somebody threatened swinsons 5 year old kid yesterday
fek not bringing it up - it should be brought up every time somebody oversteps the mark in the commons - three strikes then automatically sacked - these people are supposed to be running the country on our behalf not shouting shit like traitor, enemy of the people, surrender act... and farrage today with his vermin line... the press should really be doing a better job of self policing this as well or if not let the actual police do it
intimidating people to vote how you want is not acceptable - inciting people to do that is not acceptable imo
You might have had death threats but has a colleague of yours been murdered for being a prominent opponent to a process, which is still ongoing, and being used as something to personally threaten your own safety with three years on? A process that is still very much ongoing.
It's unbelievable that you would equate your own experiences to someone else's, regardless of what you do. One doesn't resolve the other.
Hear hear. Good post.
If we now live in a world where words such as Surrender, Humbug and Betrayal are seen as dangerous words then my workplace and our local pub are the most dangerous places in the world.
watch that inflamatory talk, you never know when the next Guy Fawkes will act.Inflamatory talk has been going on for years on BOTH sides of the house. Nothing new.
Luciana Berger gives up Liverpool seat to fight for Finchley and Golder’s Green (London). A 70% Remain constituency with a large Jewish population. Luciana herself being Jewish and having cited anti-Semitism as the reason she left Labour.
Might sound like a match made in heaven. However she will need to score a massive swing since Lib Dems only got 6% of the vote there in 2017, compared to 47% for Tories and 43% for Labour.
Might sound like a match made in heaven. However she will need to score a massive swing since Lib Dems only got 6% of the vote there in 2017, compared to 47% for Tories and 43% for Labour.
Inflamatory talk has been going on for years on BOTH sides of the house. Nothing new.
Yeah but the way the public reacts to it is different.
Steve on 5Live (not our one) saying that Remainers need straight jackets and mimicking the kind of things Boris was saying last night, and finishing off by saying "it's just like any general election vote, you either win or lose and you have to deal with it until the next election... This was a once in a lifetime vote." And then talking over the Remainer caller at every opportunity. Accusing the Beeb of biased views, etc, the whole shindig. Nicky tried to say that there's good points on either side, which the Remainer agreed with, but not Steve (not our one).
And now there's someone saying that Leavers are quite grounded in reality and the Remainers are wrong. She also says the Beeb are biased and Boris is right.
Oh, and the Leavers are both business owners who don't like EU regulations.
Nicky Campbell has also had to protect Naga from both Leave callers who were accusing her of being biased. All of this is incredibly dangerous and I'm genuinely worried. The first Leaver said he knew because "I'm excellent at reading people".
And now there's someone saying that Leavers are quite grounded in reality and the Remainers are wrong. She also says the Beeb are biased and Boris is right.
Oh, and the Leavers are both business owners who don't like EU regulations.
Nicky Campbell has also had to protect Naga from both Leave callers who were accusing her of being biased. All of this is incredibly dangerous and I'm genuinely worried. The first Leaver said he knew because "I'm excellent at reading people".
And? Come on, get a grip. If that's an excuse then we're truly screwed.
*Danny Dyer voice* Now that's proper gander...
Show us the death threats sent to your home, show us your colleague that was murdered for holding the same opinion as you in a process that is still ongoing.
Some of this place genuinely makes me fecking sick sometimes. People so blinkered by their alliances that they'll shun basic human decency and replace it with whataboutisms and hollow rhetoric.
No by all means bring it up. I totally agree, but the family of Jo Cox must be really fed up of her name being used in such a way by both sides of the argument. You can mention one without the other.
I'm definitely not saying it's acceptable!
I've had colleagues murdered yes.
I'm just giving my opinion. I'm not comfortable with Jo Cox being brought up at every opportunity and I'm quite sure her family aren't either. You can discuss the issue without doing so.
Has a colleague in your workplace or mate at the pub literally been murdered because inflammatory language in parliament and the media incited some nutjob against them by branding them a "traitor" or "betrayer" of the people because of their beliefs?
Her husband isn't comfortable with it either I see, which has to be respected, and he's also said both sides need to stop the inflammatory language. There's a careful line between using an incident for political gain and not, but I don't think Paula Sheriff was doing that. The whole thing needs to settle down quite frankly.
I think that's a fair point re: Jo Cox. Her kids have to go to school and every time she gets mentioned (by either side) and it blows up in the press again they're gonna have to deal with it all over again. I think Paula Sheriff could've made that point without bringing her up but neither do I think she was using it to score political points. The response by the areshole across from her was as low as a snakes belly though.
All the interviewees were calm which is why Campbell kept them on the line. Campbell also brought up the question of bias first by stating he gets called the Brexit Broadcasters and Brussels Broadcasters by either side on a regular basis. He also read a text out from a remainer calling every leaver thick.
I can't because I haven't had any and I am not blinkered, and I am a thoroughly decent person thanks.
No politician encourages nutjobs. Nutjobs are nutjobs. Labour and the left have been labelling the Conservatives 'The nasty tories' for years. THis language is nothing new. Parliament is full of treachury and betrayal on BOTH sides of the house. Nothing new here. It is just massively inflamed due to the surreall circumstances we are now in. We cannot and should not sanitise our language to such a degree that we cannot debate or communicate feelings at all.
I guess you're either a troll or the issues at hand are too complicated for your mind.
I'm neither dude, and this is why I try and stay our of the current events threads
There is anger and inflammatory rhetoric on BOTH side of the house and I see no words from EITHER side that inflame my emotions so much as to enact my anger.
I'm not surprised the family aren't happy. That should be enough to draw a line under it although I fully expect it to be brought up again today.
I don't necessarily think Sheriff meant to point score but she could have made her point without rambling on about being 'under the shield of dead college Jo Cox'. Think of her family and not yourselves FFS.