I haven't assumed what her family want. They have said it themselves.
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I haven't assumed what her family want. They have said it themselves.
You would agree, he's speaking from you're own echo chamber.
You see, that post there has a derogatory tone to it ... Now, I'm not bothered, I'm a big boy but that highlights exactly what we're talking about. And, might I add, there are echo chambers on BOTH sides of this argument
Todays agenda
Ive got a feeling todays going to be pretty lively as well
Ive got a feeling todays going to be pretty lively as well
All very well shouting and hurling insults at each other, but it doesn't actually move us further along.
Firstly, I'm not defending anything, certainly not any of that shower in the house of commons. And since when has ROBUST language been anything other than ROBUST language? Have you never used robust language? I have.
Well done you, so you should. To swallow opinion from one source alone is asking to be mislead.
He might have killed someone if not for Brexit but the fact that Jo Cox was staunchly opposed to Brexit is the reason he picked the person he did.
Perfect! Someone able to look beyond the battle.
That's more accurate than accusing the leave campaign for inciting murder, which is what some people have done.
so you cant rebut my statement. thought so.
The government's tactic is now to turn parliament into even more of a clown show than it was before. This shouting match only plays into the government narrative. Opposition parties desperately need to unite around a new interim PM and turf Johnson out.
Sorry, what do I need to rebut?
It is not intended to move us along.
It is intended to create an us against the politicians. Me against the HoC. I am on the peoples side. They are stopping me getting the country out of the EU....
It is a classic tactic and should be seen as just that.
If the PM and his team are as clever as they pretend to be and if they are really trying to get Brexit delivered then they should be using their energies to get a WA that has been promised such that we can leave the EU at the end of October.
Disgraceful from all sides yesterday. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Some will inevitably pin all the blame on one side or the other, but in reality all are guilty.
Utter balderdash and you know it.
You sound just like trump after the neo nazi rally in Charlottesville.
The response from the chamber was one of intemperate outrage, but the touchpaper was lit via the government's despatch box.
You're such a Tory.
It is. I didn't think there were so many unpleasant people as there is on here it's wearing me down to be honest.
Are you saying Brendan Cox is also talking balderdash?
Or the number of MPs that upon reflection this morning have recognised their own part in yesterday's scenes.
I think people should look well beyond their own deeply ingrained biases for once.
He's the prime minister of course he's fecking held to more scrutiny on his language than others. Deary me
This isn't the playground, who started it and who didn't should be well beyond these grown adults who are supposed to be representative of us.
Enough hostile language, before and during yesterday's disgrace came from both sides.
Anybody buying this revisionism that it was 50/50 is blind in my opinion. Bj and cox came in to that chamber more bellicose than ever, deliberately determined to incite both hatred and stoke anger amongst the opposition.
The government is 100% to blame. They knew there would be robust questioning and took it 5 steps too far. The opposition had every right to bray and protest at that.
For me, anybody who sees it otherwise is delusional, ignorant, or trolling.
The government is 100% to blame. They knew there would be robust questioning and took it 5 steps too far. The opposition had every right to bray and protest at that.
For me, anybody who sees it otherwise is delusional, ignorant, or trolling.
Added to the fact that he's actually been proven to be a liar on numerous occasions in just the last few weeks.
It's disingenuous at best to say that blame is equal on both sides for the rhetoric in the HoC. The hard line Tories and Pro-Brexiteers are pandering quite explicitly to some dangerous far right groups and they are doing so with full knowledge of what the consequences could be.
Totally agree.
Johnson is trying to incite hatred towards MP's as part of his people Vs parliament strategy. It's so blindingly obvious.
Just like it is every anti fascist fault when they protest and fight back right.
So we should be saying "He might have killed someone if not for Brexit but the fact he chose Jo Cox was due to inflammatory rhetoric around Brexit, which our current Pm is now ratcheting up? Thats much better. It's obviously ok for him to do so, he gets a bodyguard detail.
It began with Geoffrey Cox, who went from measured to balderdash over course of his speech.
Action and reaction are not the same thing no matter how much you insist they are Wensley. One side illegally shuttered parliament and opened at its resumption with intemperate accusations and inflammatory language. The responses also became intemperate, but they remain a response.
Numerous times as well. People still don't listen or respect the wishes of the poor family though.
I disagree with you entirely.
The language and tone used by the Prime Minister and his attorney general was disgraceful, dare I say it, impeachable.
I have no problems with anyone else. So, no, in my reality, not all are guilty.
So, as usual, that would make you wrong.
As unacceptable as it is, I cant believe anyone is surprised. For decades standards of behaviour in the house have been unacceptable, behaving in ways that young primary school children recognise to be unacceptable, braying over each other like pissed up donkeys, mocking each other and the public and just generally acting like the worst, entitled thundercunts around. (Regardless of party, or ideological affiliation) Remember the cheering and applause when the vote to give public sector workers a pay rise failed?
We have representatives who feel its ok to vote down a proposal to ensure basic living standards for tenants because the majority of the representatives are landlords, and it will hit their pockets. The time is ripe for a fundamental change to our entire system, despite the claim we are a democracy we are still lead by a ruling elite class (again on both sides) who can not accurately represent us, because they have never lived lives like the majority of the population, its coming to a head, one way or another.
We have representatives who feel its ok to vote down a proposal to ensure basic living standards for tenants because the majority of the representatives are landlords, and it will hit their pockets. The time is ripe for a fundamental change to our entire system, despite the claim we are a democracy we are still lead by a ruling elite class (again on both sides) who can not accurately represent us, because they have never lived lives like the majority of the population, its coming to a head, one way or another.
Using such nonsensical language to try and shut down debate might work in your echo chamber, but it won't work where people have the ability to see for themselves.
I will repeat the question. Are you suggesting Brendan Cox is also talking "balderdash"?
You are suggesting that anyone who doesn't pin the blame 100% on the government is doing just that. Well, Mr Cox and several MPs say something very different.
What a ridiculous statement. Yes he's prime minister but JC and Swinson want to become prime minister. The same level of scrutiny applies to all of the house.
You misunderstand me. I don’t care to debate with you. Just as I didn’t care to debate with those who said blame was on all sides in Charlottesville. I already know what you are. And whilst usually you’re inane and mildly amusing in your pedanticism, on this issue you are not worth responding further to. It’s too important for that.
And Brendan criticised bj for the most part, then added a bit about tolerance on all sides.
Crikey, that's a bit of a mouthful Oldyella. Inflammatory rhetoric and downright lies were used by both leave and remain throughout the whole campaign. To suggest that we can't have ROBUST political debates and hard campaigning because someone who is already a nutter 'may' commit a crime is ridiculous and will ensure democracy can never be carried out properly again.
Might be the only thing that ends up uniting this country when all is said and done.
Tory MP receives a brick this morning apparently. Leave MP.
Jess Phillips wants to ask what can be done about her belief there is a "clear strategy" from No 10 "to divide" with his use of language. "It has clearly been tested, workshopped, worked up, entirely designed to inflame hatred and division," she says.
Quite brilliant speech from Jess Phillips. Slam Dunk
Quite brilliant speech from Jess Phillips. Slam Dunk
Robust discussion doesn't involve using language like surrender bill, traitors etc.
Your bias is laughable to be frank.
Don't worry about debating with me old chap. The idea behind debate is to see it from both sides. Something you are clearly unable to do.
What you and others are doing is shouting your bias as loud as you can hoping to shut down anyone with a different opinion.
The last 3 pages are clear evidence of that.
Last 3 pages are full of hypocritical, unreasoned and undependable claptrap from you.
Not surprising given you are attempting to defend BJ.