It was busier earlier. Also, no PMQs today.
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It was busier earlier. Also, no PMQs today.
Was busier for Cox's questions. Would imagine it will get busier again later. I think Gove and Johnson are making statements at some point today
Maybe it's the traffic.
This is incorrect. All it needs is a line in the act like "The prime minister must make an order bringing x into effect if more referendum votes are cast yes than no." (This was done in the alternative vote referendum)
And no, you can't just retrigger after revocation, especially if it was revoked in line with a referendum act.
It won't buy any peace (There is no peace coming any time soon on this issue), but it'll bring the matter to a decision and let them run campaigns based on other stuff. This will be beneficial for all (except for the lib dems for whom it's their only policy, and the tories who will get crushed by the brexit party.)
Still nearly half didn't turn up this morning apparently. I can understand some might have struggled at short notice to get down to London but I would have expected a near full house.
Yeh, I suspect it will fill out for Johnson later.
One would hope they are all queued up outside the Lord Chancellors office demanding the resignation of the disgrace that is our countries 'Attorney General.'
One can dream.
Nobody really turns up for the support acts. The venue only really fills up when the Teletubbies start performing.
Surprised he wasn't found under a bus already.
How dare they have lunch.
The old City fan excuse then.
How dare they have lunch.
No time for eating now. Barely a moment to catch ones breath.
I think you would need to keep Harman out of it if she was to be speaker. You would also need some involvement from SNP And Plaid to be a true GNU.
PM - Clarke - continuity of "ruling party"
Foreign secretary - Kier starmer
Home secretary - David Gauke
Chancellor - Blackford SNP
I think the most positive outcome would be to take brexit out of the parliamentary agenda. Set up a people's commission to investigate brexit and EU reform and agree a 3-5 year extension with the EU. It's a deal they offered early on and we could have retained influence within the EU chamber rather than being a billy no mates.
The commision would be totally indepependant of parliament and would put brexit back where it belongs, as part of an ongoing reform process for the EU, rather than some holy sacrifice or constitutional hallowed turf for the extremists to fight over.
Not one of my main complaints with this government but the attorney general has one of the stupidest voices I've ever heard.
He's from an 80's Fry and Laurie sketch.
He's from an 80's Fry and Laurie sketch.
This all strikes me as somewhat silly - Jeremy Corbyn's Labour quite rightfully aren't going to let a staunch Tory become PM, and an SNP MP is not going to be accepted as Chancellor of a country he wants to leave. Nor will he accept the post...because an SNP chancellor working under a Tory PM would be electoral suicide, and would piss off portions of the base who would see it as the SNP being far too conciliatory to Westminster.
A generous interpretation. It's pure centrist fan-fiction without any grounding in reality.
Point accepted on the binding referendum.
Anything to back the bolded statement up? I haven't read any legal opinions on preconditions for triggering a50. There's nothing mentioned about a requirement for time elapsing since a previous invocation or revocation.
First off, "the decision to revoke an Article 50 notification must be done in Good Faith, and following proper constitutional processes" according to the ECJ's ruling. If a GNU (therefore an unelected one) revokes A50 on the back of a referendum where one side abstains, then it's debatable of whether that revocation will be deemed legal by the ECJ in the face of an appeal by Brexiteers.
Secondly, in a General Election where the Tories campaign on activating A50 again and win... it's very hard to argue that this isn't proper constitutional procedure. Especially after what's transpired for revocation. There is no easy way for the EU to stop a democratically elected government, with a leave mandate, from withdrawing from the EU without appearing dictatorial. If it can even prevent it, that is.
The suggestion that an upcoming election would be about other policies and not Brexit, or that Lib Dems are a single policy party... are so far off reality they're not even worth discussing.
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It's also really weird considering a lot of the same people would (arguably fairly) say that Boris' legitimacy is undermined by the fact he's not won a General Election to obtain his position.
If a Boris-led government lacks legitimacy, why would a government not only not led by someone who was voted in as leader of the country - but as leader of their party - be altogether more legitimate?
So Gove is now just telling barefaced lies (automobile and retail industries are ready for no deal) and refusing to answer questions about the base case/worst case heading of Yellowhammer. He needs to be held to account.
yes - hes quite effective at avoiding questions and chucking back party political jibes - in some ways hes everything that is wring with politics - but hes well suited to the commons
The antipathy that some people possess regards Corbyn allows all logic and rationality to fly out of the window. Whatever people think of him, his party won 40% of the vote share at the last election. The idea that some kind of national unity government should or could form that completely bypasses the leader of the opposition while the vast majority of its support would come from him and his party is absurd.
There's also just no reason for him to accept this. If his party are opposed to Brexit, or at least to a hard Brexit, then as the leader of the biggest party opposing the government's plans he's obviously going to demand he leads the government. To do otherwise would involve him ceding his position of strength for no discernible reason whatsoever.
Indeed. And yet the press and many of the Remainers have tried to depict Corbyn as unreasonable for his natural opposition to this, whereas Swinson has largely received a free pass for her stance that any arrangement that involves the democratically elected leader of the opposition is out of the question (admittedly, it probably is the wisest position for her to adopt for now, but that does not mean it should be devoid of scrutiny and I genuinely do worry that she is serious about it in all circumstances).
Not looking forward to the great Cheddar Cheese riots.
Dominic Raab listing all of Iran's faults. Human rights, Yemen, destabilising the region.
Yes, Iran, not Saudi Arabia who we are more than happy to do billion pound arms deals with.
feck these people.
Yes, Iran, not Saudi Arabia who we are more than happy to do billion pound arms deals with.
feck these people.
Boris the Criminal.
Haven't we ceased selling arms to SA for the time being?
When is Boris on?
It was ruled unlawful earlier this year but we continue to deal with them and then go "Oops forgot we're not supposed to do that" afterwards.
Ah that's what I was thinking of.
Spot on very good post.
6:30
Thanks. More exciting than the footy!
Don't get too excited It'll be about as unfulfilling and disappointing as being an Arsenal
Bridgen trying to say its a new law so Boris didn't do anything wrong. Then dares make the point that the supreme court aren't elected and answerable to the public
I’m playing 5-a-side at 7. Genuinely gutted to be missing the PM.....the whole thing is a morbid fascination.....just how Shit can things get
Boris is up
Just when I thought the Tories couldn't stop any lower. Here comes Boris and more divisive and dangerous bullshit.
Yeh, until Boris arrived they were being very respectful to each other. They haven't spent the entire day tearing into each other. Just getting the hard work done.
Why do i watch this, the worlds going to shit. This is a shameless speech