Westminster Politics

Seriously folks, come to Scotland. Ignore the nationalist crap if it's not your cup of tea. You can be pro UK, pro Labour, Greens, Lib Dem, Monster Raving Looneys just not a fecking Tory.

Come up right now and help reduce the national average drug addiction and heart attack numbers. First one million residents get a free battered mars bar fish.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Seriously folks, come to Scotland. Ignore the nationalist crap if it's not your cup of tea. You can be pro UK, pro Labour, Greens, Lib Dem, Monster Raving Looneys just not a fecking Tory.

Come up right now and help reduce the national average drug addiction and heart attack numbers. First one million residents get a free battered mars bar fish.
Click to expand...
Is this offer available to new customers only or can I get a single fish? I'm starving but not more starving than I am lazy.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
How is Corbyn well accustomed the anti semitic tropes?
Click to expand...

Really? You'd need to have your head deep deep in the sand to NOT see how a socialist cum marxist growing up in the height of Soviet power and affiliated to the groups he was affiliated with, would NOT be accustomed to such tropes.

(ps. I don't think he's antisemitic per se, but I do think he's shown a deep misunderstanding of these issues [and perhaps even personal confusion on some matters], which is why it's become such an issue within Labour)
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
I think you misunderstood my point (or maybe you just made another one). Either way, I don't think speicifc prejudices and xenophobia are exclusive to the left or right. They are spread across the spectrum of the whole population unfortunately. Despite the media coverage that would lead you to believe anti semitism is purely a Labour problem.

My point is not anti semitism vs Islamophobia, but the UK media's constant coverage of anything anti Labour while similar issues for the Conservatives get one day of coverage at best.
Click to expand...

My point was tangential yes. But I do think there are institutional directions in the way that prejudice and xenophobia manifests which was my point. (Excluding the extremists, who are just nutjobs for the mostpart.)
 
owlo said:
Really? You'd need to have your head deep deep in the sand to NOT see how a socialist cum marxist growing up in the height of Soviet power and affiliated to the groups he was affiliated with, would NOT be accustomed to such tropes.

(ps. I don't think he's antisemitic per se, but I do think he's shown a deep misunderstanding of these issues [and perhaps even personal confusion on some matters], which is why it's become such an issue within Labour)
Click to expand...
So no examples then? That would help.
 
owlo said:
My point was tangential yes. But I do think there are institutional directions in the way that prejudice and xenophobia manifests which was my point. (Excluding the extremists, who are just nutjobs for the mostpart.)
Click to expand...
Prejudice and xenophobia certainly has a complex web of history which you can trace back with a fine tooth comb. Ultimately it taps into the tribal part of human beings which seem to become more prominent in society during less abundant times (although not exclusively).

The point is though, these views come from extreme right or extreme left. But not exclusively from either. To put it simply, people with prejudicial views are in all ranges of the political spectrum. Hard left and hard right aren't that dissimilar.

To add another tangent, the fact we classify as hard left and hard right in itself can be misleading. They are not as far apart as those tag lines would have us believe.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
So no examples then? That would help.
Click to expand...

Why do you want/need examples? Do you genuinely doubt it to be the case? Just look at some of the videos of the rallys he has attended in the past....

Edit: this is old, but read it then ask the question again with a straight face.
 
Last edited:
Fluctuation0161 said:
Prejudice and xenophobia certainly has a complex web of history which you can trace back with a fine tooth comb. Ultimately it taps into the tribal part of human beings which seem to become more prominent in society during less abundant times (although not exclusively).

The point is though, these views come from extreme right or extreme left. But not exclusively from either. To put it simply, people with prejudicial views are in all ranges of the political spectrum. Hard left and hard right aren't that dissimilar.

To add another tangent, the fact we classify as hard left and hard right in itself can be misleading. They are not as far apart as those tag lines would have us believe.
Click to expand...

You misunderstood my point. I specifically excluded the 'extremists' or 'hard' left/right in my comment. The latter part of the 20th to now has been dominated by the right generally supporting Jewish rights, and the left opposing them. Vice versa for Islamophobia. By left and right, I mean the mainstreams. (Even in the late 19th century, it could be argued the left played into anti-semitism in most places more than the right did)

Of course individuals often feel differently, but institutionally those are directions that have been fairly consistent globally.
 
Adisa said:
They're all in bed together.
Click to expand...

I do wonder when Fuhrer Farage storms his way to power will the BBC maintain their bias towards the governing party. When people just let these things go currently i do wonder how far it could go.

Worryingly i think Farage could get away with a lot.
 
It's waaay down the Guardian front page, beneath 'Luxury KitKats launched' & the inevitable 'Fleabag wins the World Cup!' headlines.
 
SteveJ said:
It's waaay down the Guardian front page, beneath 'Luxury KitKats launched' & the inevitable 'Fleabag wins the World Cup!' headlines.
Click to expand...
It was leading both the Sunday Times -obviously, given it was their story- and the Mail on Sunday yesterday.
It's getting old now and needs new info or it will slide below fancy kitkats and whatever.
 
MadMike said:
I'm pretty sure Lib Dems are stealing as much from Tories (if not more) than Labour.
Click to expand...
In the next election if Brexit hasn't already been sorted Lib Dem voters are going to be mainly Remainers in this they are going to be up against Labour and the Greens.

If Lib Dem get 10% of the vote in a constancy where Labour are pushing the Tories close they will be taking those votes off of Labour. If Labour get 10% of the votes in a seat that the Lib Dems are pushing the Tories they will be taking those votes off of the Lib Dems.
 
MadMike said:
I'm pretty sure Lib Dems are stealing as much from Tories (if not more) than Labour.
Click to expand...
Indeed there was something like 33% of conservative voters who voted remain... The libs are the most natural vote for those of remain is the main driver of their vote
Equally those uncomfortable with Boris are unlikely to switch to Corbyn and much more likley to go to the libs
With the conservatives moving right and more extreme on brexit and labour moving left and sitting on the brexit fence there is a huge void for the libs to fill
Could do very well I think
 
711 said:
You think Labour are gaining votes from the Liberals?
Click to expand...
There will be seats were Labour get 10% of the vote and if that vote went with the Lib Dems the Lib Dems might get the seat. It's called tactical voting the only problem is that Labour will get that 10% of the vote and the Tories will win the seat.
 
Fully Fledged said:
There will be seats were Labour get 10% of the vote and if that vote went with the Lib Dems the Lib Dems might get the seat. It's called tactical voting the only problem is that Labour will get that 10% of the vote and the Tories will win the seat.
Click to expand...
Right, I took you to mean that Labour had actually been gaining supporters from the Liberals, ie people changing their voting intention, which for Liberal to Labour has been absolutely minimal in the last couple of years. What you describe isn't tactical voting, as that involves someone changing their vote. A Brexit/Tory alliance could result in tactical voting, but there is no such alliance between the Liberals and Labour, and not likely to be given one is Remain and the other is at best unclear.
 
711 said:
Right, I took you to mean that Labour had actually been gaining supporters from the Liberals, ie people changing their voting intention, which for Liberal to Labour has been absolutely minimal in the last couple of years. What you describe isn't tactical voting, as that involves someone changing their vote. A Brexit/Tory alliance could result in tactical voting, but there is no such alliance between the Liberals and Labour, and not likely to be given one is Remain and the other is at best unclear.
Click to expand...
I'm on about voters voting tactically not the parties agreeing to it.
 
After that car crash of a Labour conference the Lib Dems must be feeling pretty good about themselves right now. Really wish they hadn’t gone full revoke though.
 
Anyone else baffled that we have already moved on from Liz Truss accidentally approving arms sales to Saudi Arabia? Already on to the next scandal and it's disappeared from the papers.
 
Oldyella said:
Anyone else baffled that we have already moved on from Liz Truss accidentally approving arms sales to Saudi Arabia? Already on to the next scandal and it's disappeared from the papers.
Click to expand...

Not baffled at all no. They're all in campaign mode for the Tories and 'No Deal Brexit' so everything will be geared towards that end.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Not baffled at all no. They're all in campaign mode for the Tories and 'No Deal Brexit' so everything will be geared towards that end.
Click to expand...

Maybe if parliament wasn't prorogued we might have hear more. It baffles me though. Campaign mode or not the fact it's not a story anymore is crazy. Now moved on to Johnson and his using funds to keep a girlfriend around while mayor. And that will be gone soon as the next scandal comes up. How the tories get away with it..
 
You have to admire the party's ability to always look dysfunctional.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.