Weghorst or Ronaldo?
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Weghorst. He’s trash but he’s not a net negative on the club.
Ronaldo in that Europa league game against Sheriff was embarrassing. Players passing to him just so he’d score to shut him up moaning for a day or two.
Ronaldo also left us for Madrid at his peak then re-joined when he was desperate. I’m not really a big fan personally these days.
Ronaldo in that Europa league game against Sheriff was embarrassing. Players passing to him just so he’d score to shut him up moaning for a day or two.
Ronaldo also left us for Madrid at his peak then re-joined when he was desperate. I’m not really a big fan personally these days.
If ‘literacy’ is writing nonsense like this then that’s a hard pass thanks.
Ronaldo was not shit for us, disruptive in rattling the likes of Maguire and other perennial losers in the squad but certainly not shit in his performance, especially last season.
If we are talking Ronaldo of this season, of course it's Weghorst. I'm amazed anyone is saying otherwise. Ronaldo was no more of a goal threat, and Wout is much better with his movement and workrate and in about half of them he's also doing a better job with his hold-up play and passing for others (the other half is about the same level). Combine that with Ronaldo seemingly having a very strong negative impact on our other attackers as every single thing had to be built around him, and it's not even close.
Two more points, would Rashford have scored so many goals if Ronaldo was playing instead of Weghorst? History would suggest he wouldn’t. And Ronaldo was on 4 times the salary of Weghorst.
So you would rather have a player who slags off the manager and doesn’t give a shit about the club. Great stuff.
Says more about Ronaldo than Weghorse.
This is so dumb. The question posited to Neville regarding who he'd pick to start between them was grounded on who's the better player/who'd be best for United in sporting terms/who's more likely to bag more points/wins for United.
As an aside, I genuinely don't care if players don't give a shit about the club so long as they produce when playing.
Not really. Ronaldo's old and has declined considerably - everyone's aware (even him). He's a bum too, still better than Weghorst.
He isn't better than Weghorst, guy could barely run without falling down.
He is better than Weghorst, Weghorst can barely run. We have different opinions - it is what it is.
He's perhaps a better player on the individual level. Wout's better for the team. I know which one I'd want.
Winds me up when pundits and journos come up with stupid debates like this.
Ronaldo is obviously a better player than Weghorst, but Ronaldo literally forced the club to either sack him or let him manage the manager, so its a completely pointless discussion from both angles.
"What's faster to get to America, rowing boat with only 1 oar or rocket ship, except the rocket ship isn't going to America its going to the moon"
"erm"
Ronaldo is obviously a better player than Weghorst, but Ronaldo literally forced the club to either sack him or let him manage the manager, so its a completely pointless discussion from both angles.
"What's faster to get to America, rowing boat with only 1 oar or rocket ship, except the rocket ship isn't going to America its going to the moon"
"erm"
There are other reasons for our performance dropping. You are saying it is all Weghorst, I‘m calling bollocks on that.
Besides scoring goals, he‘s been playing well. Do you see his through balls and layoffs? I bet you don‘t.
Dislike for Ronaldo? How can you not dislike him after what he has pulled?
I can't dribble or score a goal in PL but I have monster stamina, I can run into the ball and do pressing all day if the manager wants me to do it. I may be better than the top scorer of this game, even though I have never played this game professionally. Like, come on guys.
You don't give a shit if someone is slagging the manager off and is whinging and whingeing at every opportunity. We were doing feck all with Ronaldo in the team this season.
Exactly this. No one is claiming Wout is better than Ronaldo on an individual level despite some people bringing that argument into this thread.
Weghorst. Ronaldo was missing for fun in his last couple months. His entire game was very bad at the end. Weghorst at least brings legs.
Ronaldo is much better but it’s a lot better for us not to have the camera panning to him every time we concede etc. and then him acting like a kid all the time.
Did people here not watch our games in the beginning of the season?
Weghorst has been pretty rubbish to be honest, though he is likeable in a "let's root for the underdog" sort of way, but that period has passed and he's clearly not good enough for United.
That said, give me 11 Weghorsts over 1 Ronaldo. Guy is a snake.
That said, give me 11 Weghorsts over 1 Ronaldo. Guy is a snake.
I'm not disputing that, but Ronaldo is also a bum.
I can tell by the way you’ve responded to my last two posts that it’s impossible to have a sensible conversation with you. You read A, understand B then respond as if the initial statement was C. Have a good day.
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Fair enough. I'm still amazed you'd have Ronaldo instead of him though like you stated earlier in the thread, it's fairly obvious that despite Weghorsts limitations, he's still better for the team overall than Ronaldo was.
Rashfords scored 4 in 5 in the last 4 games before weghorst joined, and after ronadlo left then 6 in 9 until weghorst was dropped, though one of the goals against Leeds at home came once weghorst got subbed.
So, no his scoring rate has dropped off since weghorst started playing
I don't know with all the Liverpool and arsenal fans on here...
So why don’t you respond to my points. It’s clear Weighorst has been a better fit for the team versus a player who didn’t want to be at the club and was slagging off the manager. If you cannot see that then I really am lost.
We need to get toxic players out of the club. I'd rather play with 10 men than bring Ronaldo back.
It's a no-brainer because of the toxic extra baggage that Ronaldo brings along with him.
Attacking-wise, you can't say that Wout is that much better than 2023 Ronaldo, which is a shame, as the bar really isn't high.
Looks like his recent form in Saudi Arabia confuses people into thinking Ronaldo might also have done better at the prem currently,
but this is false. If you put Ronaldo in an environment where his body & stamina are not highly inferior to people around him, he'd still bang in goals.
He can still finish to a high level and dribble past opponents in certain circumstances. He didn't forget how to play football.
He'll look completely past it in any decent level (let alone the PL or CL) where the game is played at extreme speed and strength. He's then out of air, the ball bounces off him, he's frustrated, he'll be thinking about every little action instead of doing things more naturally...
So he'll be completely useless to us + will act like he's entitled to play every single minute because of the player he used to be.
I can imagine Wout finding his feet in a championship team (won't score much but will contribute in other ways, which he also did for United at the start).
Ronaldo will find the league way too challenging.
Attacking-wise, you can't say that Wout is that much better than 2023 Ronaldo, which is a shame, as the bar really isn't high.
Looks like his recent form in Saudi Arabia confuses people into thinking Ronaldo might also have done better at the prem currently,
but this is false. If you put Ronaldo in an environment where his body & stamina are not highly inferior to people around him, he'd still bang in goals.
He can still finish to a high level and dribble past opponents in certain circumstances. He didn't forget how to play football.
He'll look completely past it in any decent level (let alone the PL or CL) where the game is played at extreme speed and strength. He's then out of air, the ball bounces off him, he's frustrated, he'll be thinking about every little action instead of doing things more naturally...
So he'll be completely useless to us + will act like he's entitled to play every single minute because of the player he used to be.
I can imagine Wout finding his feet in a championship team (won't score much but will contribute in other ways, which he also did for United at the start).
Ronaldo will find the league way too challenging.
2023 Weghorst > 2022-23 Ronaldo
The one who has more WC knockout stage goals.
Anyone but the toxic Ronaldo. Biggest gaff ever bringing him and his ego back.
Ronaldo has gone from United legend to hated due to his conduct.
weghorst is grafter and he has had a couple of decent games but hes 2nd division level most of the time.
Ronaldo has gone from United legend to hated due to his conduct.
weghorst is grafter and he has had a couple of decent games but hes 2nd division level most of the time.
That's a hard one. Ronny would obviously have about 15--20 goals in him if he played all year, which would have us in a better table position. Weghorst is basically a DMish sub who is brought on as a disruptor. As for goals, he couldn't hit a cows ares with a banjo.
Ronaldo wouldn't have close to 20 goals playing for us this season and our general team play would be even worse than it is now. Ronaldo had to go, Weghorst shouldn't have come or at least been picked as much as he has. There's no answer to the question, which is in itself a statement of how dire our forward options are this season.
Ronaldo was/is a terrible player now for top level football. Him and Weghorst were/are both out of their depth.
He scored 24 the year before, so it wouldn't be out of the question for him to knock in 15-20 over a full year. The obvious caveat being his attitude about ceding power to ETH at a time in his career when he feels he should be prioritized due to his legend status.
You've gone from it being "obvious" he would have 15-20 in him to "not out of the question" pretty quick
Last season was exactly that, last season. He was cooked this time around, it was just one campaign too far for him. No big. He'd have probably scored 5-10 goals in Europa League or Carling Cup.Edit: bear in mind Weghorst has almost no goals and can at least stay upright most of the time! Ronnie looks like he's wearing plimsolls these days sadly
Ronaldo is disruptive to the team. Weghorst is one man down.
I'll take one man down compared to disrupting the entire team.
I'll take one man down compared to disrupting the entire team.
You've gone from it being "obvious" he would have 15-20 in him to "not out of the question" pretty quick
Edit: bear in mind Weghorst has almost no goals and can at least stay upright most of the time! Ronnie looks like he's wearing plimsolls these days sadly
Its both obvious and not out of the question given that its a hypothetical based on last year's 24 goals. If you give Ronaldo proper service, he will eventually start knocking in goals, even in his late 30s. The fact that we are even comparing the two players makes me wonder if I'm trapped in a mirror universe.