Weghorst or Ronaldo?

Gazza said:
I didn't even mention or specify last season so there's no rewriting of history, and you're trying to call it a braindead post. You can't even read properly! Bye, now.
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Gazza said:
It speaks volumes of how utterly disruptive and shit Ronaldo was for us that I'd go with Weghorst or no one rather than having Ronaldo stinking the place up again.
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I read your post perfectly well. Ronaldo was brilliant last season so saying he was shit for us is only half true.

Weghorst meanwhile has and never will be good enough to wear the shirt.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
People seem to forget that our best performances of the season, Barca away and home, have come with Weghorst in the center of the field. He's definitely not "useless" or we don't play with 10 men when he plays.
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The only where he missed a 1 on 1 that he definitely should have scored?
 
If they were both complete mutes on and off the pitch then obviously Ronaldo is the better player even now.

Because they're not, and Ronaldo is completely toxic to a club, it's got to be Weghorst as useless as he is.
 
This is like asking if I'd rather watch Eastenders or the final season of Scrubs. Neither, thank you. One has always been a bit shit and the other one has had a significant drop-off which has become painful to watch. I'd rather try whatever else is available.
 
Weghorst. He might not be the most threatening but at least he offers a bit of work rate off the ball, and he isn't a massive bellend (relatively speaking, of course).
 
I think it's immaterial because the manager didn't want to work with Ronaldo, perhaps from the start, but certainly after he began to display his impetuosity. In that respect it doesn't really matter if Ronaldo's footballing ability is compared to a cone, he was causing a problem at the club and that has the potential to go far beyond what either Ronaldo or Weghorst are capable of as footballers.
 
Weghorst. He doesnt score but he also doesnt kick up a fuss when dropped.
 
Silly question, we’re visibly better with Weghorst. If Ronaldo had a brain swap with Weggy and didn’t demand the ball everywhere, didn’t cause issues non stop and just played up top and worked hard he’d be better, even at his ripe old age but that’s not him.
 
jm99 said:
We had 11 goals in the 5 games before we started playing him in the league, then 9 in 5 after that. So not really.

In cup games we were losing against Barcelona, we subbed him off at half time, and we won 2-1. We did manage to get past real bets and Fulham, which I suppose is an outrageously good achievement even if we did need Fulham to go down to 9 men to beat them with weghorst in the team.

If beating a bunch of teams we should be beating in the cup is the mark of someone that improves us in his all round play then maybe he does. But realistically we've done worse in the league since signing him.

We certainly haven't done enough to justify this bizarre reputation he has on the caf of improving the team
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No, you are wrong. Just analyzing Weghorst‘s movement during a game is all you need to do to see what he is contributing. Pressing, hold up play, good movement in the box, decoy runs for other players, lay offs and through balls.

Even hopelessly out of form he is better than Ronaldo at this point.
 
sunama said:
Weghorst is basically useless.
Playing with him on the pitch is like playing with 10 men, so (38 year old) Ronaldo wins, for me.
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It's really not though because of his work rate, but it is like playing without a striker.
 
This being asked just makes it obvious that many still don't get the concept that strikers aren't there just to score goals.
 
NLunited said:
No, you are wrong. Just analyzing Weghorst‘s movement during a game is all you need to do to see what he is contributing. Pressing, hold up play, good movement in the box, decoy runs for other players, lay offs and through balls.

Even hopelessly out of form he is better than Ronaldo at this point.
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So even though our results and goalscoring in the league has gotten worse since we signed weghorst, he still maintains this reputation of making the team better
 
Right now ? Weghorst All day long.Does his job,acts professional and seems genuinely delighted to play for this great club.No brainer.
 
simonhch said:
Weghorst all day long. Even last season when Ronaldo was scoring, he was doing so at the expense of the team because he was so selfish and lazy. And that didn’t even begin to touch on the toxicity he brought off the field. We were instantly a worse team from the moment he arrived.

Weghorst on the other hand is an extremely limited player, but he accepts it, is delighted to just be here. He works hard for the team, is tactically astute, a facilitator of other players, and his hold up/link up play is pretty good. He’s the polar opposite of Ronaldo. Ronaldo was always a brilliant individual player but not a good team one. Even during his first stint at United. But he was worth the sacrifice as he was so individually lethal. But as his ability diminished, his egocentricity only grew, until at some point between his early to mid thirties he became a handicap to teams. Even at Juve the Italian press would say that he was the ever diminishing solution to the problem he himself created. By the time he came back to United the scale of the problem he created in team functionality and mechanics was as high as it had ever been, and his ability to solve that problem with his goals was nowhere near enough to compensate. Perfectly illustrated by him scoring 25 goals in the season but the team returning its lowest goals total in a decade.

It still amazes me that some people, typically avid fans of a singular player, can’t grasp the importance of the team over the contribution or role of an individual.
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Great post, agree completely. It is definitely testament to the individualization (for lack of a better term) of football, where people are fans of players as much as clubs. It certainly leads to some pretty baffling stances
 
It's fairly simple and straight forward, Weghorst all day.

Ronaldo was so toxic that the whole team collapsed under Ole and Rangnick because the entire team need to suit Ronaldo's play. It's a different thing if he was still at his prime but the Ronaldo we had was a has been.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
People seem to forget that our best performances of the season, Barca away and home, have come with Weghorst in the center of the field. He's definitely not "useless" or we don't play with 10 men when he plays.
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Those performances had almost nothing to do with him though besides him running a bunch. Rashford was elite, as was Fred/Casemiro and the backline imperious for those wins
 
Ronaldo this season was basically Weghorst without the workrate. And Wout looked more useful than him at the World Cup too, so Weghorst for me.
Both are nowhere near good enough, but people forget how awful Ronaldo was and how we couldn't perform at all with him on the pitch. Wout would score ton of goals in Saudi Arabia too.

Also one is a toxic prick, the other loves to play for us.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Those performances had almost nothing to do with him though besides him running a bunch. Rashford was elite, as was Fred/Casemiro and the backline imperious for those wins
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Yeah, Barca at home we were actually losing 1-0 until we took him off at half time, then we won 2-1. Crediting weghorst for that is quite a stretch
 
One is washed out toxic player, the other is an awful player through and through.

I would rather not have both.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
It's fairly simple and straight forward, Weghorst all day.

Ronaldo was so toxic that the whole team collapsed under Ole and Rangnick because the entire team need to suit Ronaldo's play. It's a different thing if he was still at his prime but the Ronaldo we had was a has been.
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The team was already collapsing under Ole, we had a ridiculous purple patch from Fernandes that was unsustainable, the run in I think we picked up something like 11 points in our last 11 games in 20/21, we lost the europa league final to villareal, the wheels were coming off big time

Edit: Actually 11 points from our last 7 games but given that we'd had 63 from our first 31 games, it was a big drop off, that plus losing the final indicated things weren't great towards the end of that season.
 
Weghorst. His workrate is better, his passing is better, his attitude is better, he doesn't create distractions or tension in the team, and he costs significantly less each week.

Some of you seem to forget that Ronaldo looked absolutely cooked his final couple months in England and in the Europa. By the end of it, homeboy couldn't buy a goal even when our entire attack was focused on getting him the ball in the box.

The fact that he's scoring goals now in a semi-pro league against farmers and construction workers is in no way indicative of what he'd be doing if he were playing in a real league. Let's not forget that he wound up in Saudi Arabia because literally no real club in the world wanted him.

Not only would I take Weghorst over Ronaldo at this point, given that Martial is (currently) fit it's not even a question.
 
I can only say that I prefer United now with Weghorst, to when Ronaldo was here earlier in the season.
If you were asking my preference of prime Ronaldo over prime Weghorst .... well, no-one is going to ask that, are they.
 
jm99 said:
So even though our results and goalscoring in the league has gotten worse since we signed weghorst, he still maintains this reputation of making the team better
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Injuries, fatigue and winning a cup made things worse. As I said, it is better to analyze performances. Anyone can see what WW brings and how he is doing better than Ronaldo was. Ten Hag rates him and only benched him because of bad goalscoring form and return of Martial.
 
NLunited said:
Injuries, fatigue and winning a cup made things worse. As I said, it is better to analyze performances. Anyone can see what WW brings and how he is doing better than Ronaldo was. Ten Hag rates him and only benched him because of bad goalscoring form and return of Martial.
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He's maybe doing better than Ronaldo was, though Ronaldo didn't play many league games. But we won 5 in a row after Ronaldo left and before weghorst, which included city away. And since weghorst we've picked up 12 points from 24, then we dropped him and we've won 2 in a row again. We were losing against Leeds at home 2-0, took him off and within 15 minutes we were level. We were losing at home against Barcelona, took him off at half time and won the game.

We definitely aren't doing better with him in the team, he just seems to have gained this reputation because of people's dislike for ronaldo
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Shite and toxic vs just shite.

I will take just shite.
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Great answer. Martial is better than both, but will take shite over toxic and shite. Weghorst had a good run, stopped playing remotely well, was dropped, no media, no fuss. If you think Ronaldo wouldn't be an issue, compare Ronaldo to getting subbed last year. Light years in the difference.
 
Tyrion said:
Weghorst. He's less of a goal threat but works harder and is more of a team player. Scoring is a means to an end; winning. If a player never scores but makes the team more likely to win, then he's doing a good job.

Plus Weghorst won't try and sabotage the team because of his ego.
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The Dutch Ground. Although Ground can score as well as play for the team but you know what I mean.
 
Tyrion said:
Weghorst. He's less of a goal threat but works harder and is more of a team player. Scoring is a means to an end; winning. If a player never scores but makes the team more likely to win, then he's doing a good job.

Plus Weghorst won't try and sabotage the team because of his ego.
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Except weghorst doesn't make us more likely to win, we have a 65% win rate in the league when he doesn't start, and a 33% win rate when he does
 
jm99 said:
He's maybe doing better than Ronaldo was, though Ronaldo didn't play many league games. But we won 5 in a row after Ronaldo left and before weghorst, which included city away. And since weghorst we've picked up 12 points from 24, then we dropped him and we've won 2 in a row again. We were losing against Leeds at home 2-0, took him off and within 15 minutes we were level. We were losing at home against Barcelona, took him off at half time and won the game.

We definitely aren't doing better with him in the team, he just seems to have gained this reputation because of people's dislike for ronaldo
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City at home.

Weghorst isn't close to being good enough but he's at least been a professional off the pitch this season unlike Ronaldo.
 
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