Weghorst or Ronaldo?

People are now making this as Wout vs Ronaldo ? Seriously? Thought Piers Morgan was trolling but can't believe sky actually had a discussion on it.

For starters, Wout isn't a replacement for Ronaldo. We would get one in summer but Wout was just brought as a backup option to cover any injuries. Just because both happened on the same window doesn't mean it's a direct replacement.
 
People are now making this as Wout vs Ronaldo ? Seriously? Thought Piers Morgan was trolling but can't believe sky actually had a discussion on it.

For starters, Wout isn't a replacement for Ronaldo. We would get one in summer but Wout was just brought as a backup option to cover any injuries. Just because both happened on the same window doesn't mean it's a direct replacement.
Yeah he is just a body on the field. He is clearly out of his depth but we gotta make do with him before the summer transfer window especially now Rashford is injured and Martial could get injured anytime.
 
People are now making this as Wout vs Ronaldo ? Seriously? Thought Piers Morgan was trolling but can't believe sky actually had a discussion on it.

For starters, Wout isn't a replacement for Ronaldo. We would get one in summer but Wout was just brought as a backup option to cover any injuries. Just because both happened on the same window doesn't mean it's a direct replacement.

Wout was definitely a Ronaldo replacement, we went into the season with Ronaldo and martial, then Ronaldo left, even down to the only money being available was what we saved in wages for Ronaldo. He's definitely the replacement, though as he's younger he is playing more, but he probably shouldn't be, we'd be better with neither up front
 
One is a has-been and the other has never been. However, despite his many limitations, Weghorst just edges it for me simply due to not being Ronaldo.
 
Hope hes not starting again now Rashfords injured. Sancho Martial and Antony should be the front three to start.
 
Hope hes not starting again now Rashfords injured. Sancho Martial and Antony should be the front three to start.

If Martial can stay fit this would be best, but that's an awfully big if
 
ironically this could be one of the most “braindead” posts to be made on this forum. As much as you’d like to rewrite history, Ronaldo was brilliant for us last season.

This season he clearly didn’t want to be here and declined but as a player he’s still far better than Weghorst who is a truer but makes Ighalo look like R9 in comparison.

Oh, the irony
 
If both were available for free for the same wages, 20 out of 20 teams in the premier league would sign Ronaldo.

Actually, if Ronaldo was available for double the money of Weghorst, I am sure 19 out of 20 teams would sign Ronaldo again.

Ronaldo was toxic for us and that was the biggest problem, but even when he is 45 he will be better player than Weghorst.
 
If both were available for free for the same wages, 20 out of 20 teams in the premier league would sign Ronaldo.

Actually, if Ronaldo was available for double the money of Weghorst, I am sure 19 out of 20 teams would sign Ronaldo again.

Ronaldo was toxic for us and that was the biggest problem, but even when he is 45 he will be better player than Weghorst.

Just not the team that actually suffered the experience of having him around. So much so, they replaced him with a Burnley failure.

Also, I don't think that is true at all (Ronaldo was available on a free)
 
I'd take a retired Peter Crouch over the version of Ronaldo we had. If for no other reason than his toxic behaviour and ego would've derailed our entire season. Weghorst may be crap but he's not detrimental to squad harmony
 
Weghorst. He's fundamentally not good enough as a footballer but at least he puts a shift in and actually wants to be here.

The toxicity Ronaldo brought with him meant any half decent athlete would be more valuable to this team than him, especially when the goals dried up. His body language, lack of effort, lack of goals and lack of quality meant it was an absolute no brainer to replace him.
 
They were both essentially like playing with 10 men. Neither were a goal threat (anymore in Ronaldo's case) and bringing up scoring in Saudi is like saying that Darren on the Black Bull's Sunday league team would be a good pickup at only 43 years.

The main difference is the attitude and how that affects those around them. For that reason, Weghorst is miles above Ronaldo.
 
As crap as Weggy is, Ronaldo being here created a really negative environment for all involved. It was almost like no matter what was going on with the rest of the team, the story was always dragged back to Ronaldo, which was not good in any way or form. So regardless of what they would have brought on the field, and Ronaldo may very well have provided more on the field (I don't value what WW apparently brings as much as others seem to), having Weghorst is better for the team as a whole.
 
Wout was definitely a Ronaldo replacement, we went into the season with Ronaldo and martial, then Ronaldo left, even down to the only money being available was what we saved in wages for Ronaldo. He's definitely the replacement, though as he's younger he is playing more, but he probably shouldn't be, we'd be better with neither up front

That's like saying the spare tire (wout) in the trunk is a replacement for a flat (ronaldo)... it's only used because there's no other option... but you'd go to the dealer and get a regular tire the second you can (summer window).
 
Depends on the opposition, but I'd pick Ronalod to start over Carthorst most games.
 
Neither. One of them is a bigger prick than the other though.
 
Just not the team that actually suffered the experience of having him around. So much so, they replaced him with a Burnley failure.

Also, I don't think that is true at all (Ronaldo was available on a free)

Did you not see the part where I mentioned wages?

He had probably 5 times Weghorst wages from us, and probably 7-8 times more from Saudis.
 
Would you like an immobile striker who can’t score or an immobile striker who can’t score but does at least run a bit?
 
Stupid question. In reality there are two different questions.

1. Are we a better side after getting rid of Ronaldo? Indisputably yes.

2. Did signing Weghorst improve us still further? Debatable. He’s been useful as an extra body and we’ve had a small number of good team performances in which he played. But that’s matched with a similar number of bad team performances.
 
It speaks volumes of how utterly disruptive and shit Ronaldo was for us that I'd go with Weghorst or no one rather than having Ronaldo stinking the place up again. Added bonus since he's gone is that we don't have to put up with his legion of braindead idolaters, even if a few acolytes remain on the caf.
That's a good point. I'd certainly rather have Weghorst as an option but I was excited for Ronaldo to leave even without any replacement.

Plus, we're not winning against Barca with Ronaldo in Weghorst's place.
 
I wonder what Ronaldo would have been like if he'd adapted the right mentality and continued under Ten Hag - he would have started most games without a doubt - and with the improved squad and Ten Hag's coaching, he may yet have had his swansong and won some silverware with us again. We may still have been in hunt for the title, I feel.

Wishful 38 yo Ronaldo > Weghorst > Actual 38 yo Ronaldo.
 
None of the two, really. But if you put a gun to my head and asked me to choose between Weghorst and (this version of) Ronaldo, i would probably agree with ETH and go with the Dutchman.

One of the main reasons that allow us to deploy a high line and be adventurous with our attacking positioning on the pitch is our intention to press from the front with man markings all over the pitch. In these tactics, Ronaldo is more of a liability than De Gea is in the first phase of our build-up. While it's true that Casemiro is a brilliant footballer, and probably the best in the class at screening the defence, he operates within the frame of a tactical system whose strengths and weaknesses he can fully understand and anticipate. We've witnessed several times what happens when our head's not in, how vulnerable we become and how the floodgates open. You could argue that Ronaldo is a player around whom the tactical plan should be adjusted. But that would have led to a whole season of zero tactical progress, and for what? We would still be miles off City and Arsenal.

We do struggle to score goals, and Weghorst isn't helping at all in that area. That much is true. But do we really miss Ronaldo's contributions? People often look at the positions on the pitch and at the roles. What was Ronaldo's role last season? He was the main outlet around whom the attacking plays were devised, the player everybody was looking for to pass the ball. This season, that player is Rashford. And he's doing fine, more so within the context of how ETH wants his team to play. The problem is that Martial (who wouldn't have been the first option to lead the line, if Ronaldo had still been here) has been injured for most of the season and that Sancho/Antony are still adjusting. But these two are also players who like to link up with others instead of trying to find the forward in the far post.

Weghorst has failed to be a quality option for us, but you can still see the thinking behind his loan move. He's a poor footballer, but he was not the wrong profile for the tactics. And if you think that Rashford would still be having the season he currently does with Ronaldo playing upfront and the manager trying to accommodate him, you're out of your minds.

You can point to the fact that WW is also a terrible target man, and this is probably an area where the manager's expectations fell wide off the mark. A physical presence that would function as an alternative option for us when we decide to go down route one and hoof the ball (which we often do with David). He's incapable of doing that. But so is the 38-yo version of Ronaldo.
 
Weghorst. He's less of a goal threat but works harder and is more of a team player. Scoring is a means to an end; winning. If a player never scores but makes the team more likely to win, then he's doing a good job.

Plus Weghorst won't try and sabotage the team because of his ego.

Exactly. I would pick that over a sulking and disruptive Ronaldo anytime of the week.
 
Imagine picking Ronaldo after everything, fecking hell, would pick a dog shit on a sidewalk than that cnut.
 
Astonishing people would pick Ronaldo and not recognise that even if he's shit as a goal threat, Weghorst still provides a vital function to the team.

Ronaldo was equally shit as a goal threat and offered nothing else except drama and disruption. Zero sum game, Weghorst > Ronaldo.
 
Ronaldo = old, can't run and never had the work rate but plenty of top level experience
Weghorst = younger, can run, always has the work rate but with low level experience

The answer is someone in between. Danny Welbeck = Older than Weghorst, younger than Ronaldo, can run just fine, has enough work rate, plenty of mid table experience. It's all about balance. Zup zup say nada.
 
Would sooner stick McTominay up front than have Ronaldo back. Weghorst might be a rubbish striker, but at least he works for the team and isn't a cancer in the dressing room.
 
Weghorst and its not even close.

Even if Weghorst adds 0 to the team it would be him as Ronaldo was in negative when it comes to impact on the team. It was like playing 10 v 12.
 
People seem to forget that our best performances of the season, Barca away and home, have come with Weghorst in the center of the field. He's definitely not "useless" or we don't play with 10 men when he plays.
 
Ronaldo this season was basically Weghorst without the defensive work. Weghorst offered more to the team.