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We are an awfully coached team
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First. With the players he has to his disposal do he over or underachieve?
Second. What did he do right and what did he do wrong against YB?
Second. What did he do right and what did he do wrong against YB?
Don’t waste your energy guys getting worked up by our lack of coaching, we just need to accept that this club is content with substandard managers and performances.
Amateur hour tonight. Man sent off and it went to a absolute shambles, half the team changed and other than Ronaldo we was camped on the edge of our box.
Bizarre subs too I don’t know what the feck he was doing
Bizarre subs too I don’t know what the feck he was doing
Well, I have seen now who Ole actually is. This game showed it all.
I am so sad that this coaching hasn't actually worked out and now this game was the ideal example of it.
The mentality, that coward mindset, these subs and aimless, toothless tactics. He seems to be that guy who has an injury in a boxing match and despite being dominant over an opponent, just hopes not to get knocked out and throws everything, I mean everything out of the window.
This was a Swiss team, not Chelsea or Man City to be truly afraid of.
Subbing off midfielders, letting a team hugely out of balance, lack of tactical flexibility and inability to take control over the game despite playing with a man down showed it all. There is no blame to others.
Yes, AWB and Jesse had stinkers, but this game was destined to end with a loss from the red card.
I am so sad that this coaching hasn't actually worked out and now this game was the ideal example of it.
The mentality, that coward mindset, these subs and aimless, toothless tactics. He seems to be that guy who has an injury in a boxing match and despite being dominant over an opponent, just hopes not to get knocked out and throws everything, I mean everything out of the window.
This was a Swiss team, not Chelsea or Man City to be truly afraid of.
Subbing off midfielders, letting a team hugely out of balance, lack of tactical flexibility and inability to take control over the game despite playing with a man down showed it all. There is no blame to others.
Yes, AWB and Jesse had stinkers, but this game was destined to end with a loss from the red card.
This.
So it's back to what our fan said under Mourinho: if we have to endure shit football, the result better be good, considering the expense to build the team. Ole has been even afforded more time to see his idea across while spending a huge sum already. Performance even in many of our good result has been bad. It's inexcusable now.
He was generally out coached today by the sacked Ex Huddersfield manager. Probably sounds about right comparing managerial CV’s pre Ole’s appointment.
What I can’t accept is this lazy slur that because we are down to 10 men, what could we possibly expect? When you go down to 10 men and your backs are against the wall away from home, you need to be a Manchester United manager with the knowledge, belief and ability to stand up, be counted and deploy a system and players to get the job done - and I mean keep the ball, pass and move, still create chances and make the opposition be worried about your attacking team given the players we have at our disposal.
Us supporters have asked for all sorts of types of players over recent years. In Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho in addition to the already strong squad we had, there can be no more excuses. The buck has to stop with Ole and the coaching staff now and that tonight was unacceptable 10, 11, or 12 men on the pitch.
What I can’t accept is this lazy slur that because we are down to 10 men, what could we possibly expect? When you go down to 10 men and your backs are against the wall away from home, you need to be a Manchester United manager with the knowledge, belief and ability to stand up, be counted and deploy a system and players to get the job done - and I mean keep the ball, pass and move, still create chances and make the opposition be worried about your attacking team given the players we have at our disposal.
Us supporters have asked for all sorts of types of players over recent years. In Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho in addition to the already strong squad we had, there can be no more excuses. The buck has to stop with Ole and the coaching staff now and that tonight was unacceptable 10, 11, or 12 men on the pitch.
The only drill I see each training session is 2 touch football and even so we suck at passing under pressure or with our first touches. So I guess the other hidden drills we do are not working either.
Those complaining about Ole's coaching ability and losing despite having a great bunch of players at his disposal. Let me put it to you had Ole not been the manager had we been fortunate to have these players at the club? Another revolving door of player ins and out is what's going to happen if Ole is sacked.
He’s “outcoached” most games to be fair, luckily our players are usually good enough to overcome that. Imagine what a top class manager could do with this squad though! And, it’s not as if they’re not available - each of our three main domestic rivals have managed to get one!
To me the losses don't even bother me all that much, or the wins. I've said it before, it's the lack of any tactical management and style of play that is distressing to see. Our team, no matter how good it is on paper, looks like a bunch of players thrown in to play amateur Sunday league football. Whatever Ole is trying to do, if he is trying to do anything at all, is clearly not working. Moyes had a style. Not fit for a United manager, but he had one - sit back, get a break and counter-attack through the wings by pumping crosses in. Louis Van Gaal had a style. Not the prettiest or effective, but he had one - low tempo possession football. Then we have Mourinho who was similar to Moyes in that regard - defensively solid, hit on the break.
But with Ole I genuinely can't see anything. It's been 3 years now, what is he even trying to do? Klopp has his gegenpress, Pep has his tiki taka, what does Ole even have?
But with Ole I genuinely can't see anything. It's been 3 years now, what is he even trying to do? Klopp has his gegenpress, Pep has his tiki taka, what does Ole even have?
That isn't necessarily a negative. A new manager brought in isn't going to replace everyone in the squad or even the majority especially when the squad is very good.
The issue would be if the manager hired in the event Ole is sacked isn't an upgrade on him.
Didn't see the game. How is it a team that was put out, admittedly fairly strong starting line up, lost to YB red card or not?
Are you suggesting Bruno, CR, Cavani etc joined Man Utd because we have Ole as manager?
Ole isn't the only manager that can do good transfers, Pep has done so, so has Klopp.
He has done good transfers yes, and he deserves credit for that. He did far better than LvG, Moyes and Mourinho in that regard but he for sure isnt the only one, especially now there is some organisation that is involved with this in Fletches, Mourthough and Matt Judge.
He would be a terrific DOF it seems, I like the vision he has for the club. His coaching and tactics are just very subpar it seems, his in-game management the worst and has cost us numerous times.
That's delusion at the best. Do you really think Ole is the reason why we signed them ? Don't you think if we had Zidane or any half decent manager, they wouldn't have come?
I am positive Ole had a say in who we purchase.
They were really some bizarre subs.
Definitely Ole got a lot wrong tonight, 2 shots on goal all game and being penned back for nearly the whole second half wven with 10 men against them is a joke. Aside from bringing on Dalot for DVB. His answer was to bring off, Sancho, Ronaldo and Bruno, bringing on Martial, Lingard and Matic. All while doing nothing at all about the shape of the team on the pitch.
As well as that, not one player on the pitch stood out as leader this evening. They all went into hiding, 2 world cup winners, the captain, not one of them took ownership of the situation and got the team into any recognisable defensive shape. These are the games where you need someone to standup and get everyone organised. There were occasions where there was just a group of players around the edge of the box, no back 4 no midfield in front of them, I've seen Sunday league teams organise themselves better after losing a man.
That's quite different to what you were suggesting (or what it read like). Every manager has input in who we purchase. How many managers would turn down CR7, Cavani, Varane? But lets not suggest they came to utd because we have Ole as manager.
Spot on. If we got an idiot after Ole then we would be in worse shape. But if we got a better one then we would win. We have been down to 10 men many a times and we always give it a go. This is not a top club we are talking about. This is Young Boys who came through a qualifying round. We have enough quality players who can keep the ball and keep it moving around ffs.
I can say other managers would have likely purchased different players. The question should be would another coach get more out of the players we have at the club?
I would say probably. However, it's not guaranteed.
Ole were just low on X-factor options after the red on the bench.
We need a CDM and a good backup RB with decent X-factor levels!
We need a CDM and a good backup RB with decent X-factor levels!
Evidently not.
OK I will agree with you , but they did not come because Ole was the manager. Well I dont think, but I could be wrong
No buddy. I'm suggesting a different manager would have likely constructed a team with different players. It's all hypothetical.
AH I see where you car coming from now, yes fully agree with you.
Another manager could have gone with a different set of players. All speculative.
This is the bottom line i feel. Pundits have been saying this as well. Is Ole getting the best out of the players that we have? Or would another coach do better with them? I think the answer is yes.
Thats what makes me torn about having Ole as a manager. Obviously we now have a fantastic squad that he's had a big part in assembling.
However, it's very worrying to see how completely clueless, scared and out of depth he can seem at times even if we've had plenty of games during his tenure that has been brilliant. I wan't nothing other than him winning trophies but I do feel the complaints on his in game management are justified.
Those thing happens all the time at almost every other clubs at this level. Doesn't prevent other teams to achieve. Stability without success? Perhaps it's time to adopt next year will be our year from RAWK.
He has done a good job with recruiting players but what is the point in recruiting players if he is unable to coach them to win trophies? Are we simply accepting a DOF as our manager and forgetting the actual coaching part which should be a priority?
There's nothing special about our purchases under Ole, half of them at least have been questionable.
And maybe another manager could have gone with an even better set of players, maybe.
Look this is the make or break season for Ole and his staff. Our coaching and tactics have been under question for years at this point. With the players we now have, it's simply sink or swim.
It's just a flimsy point to have. "Hey we might not be great and haven't won anything, but at least Ole got us CR7!". It just doesn't wash.
What’s the point of recruiting those players if we play like shit?
Simple, Ole as DoF. Then bring in a coach who can actually coach, and who will focus on coaching.
Exactly. There were extenuating circumstances for the defeat - a red card will always be extenuating circumstances. But it was the manner of the defeat, so utterly gutless and devoid of even a modicum of ambition. The manager and coaching staff looked like deer in headlights (not for the first time) and that simply isn't good enough at this level.
And why the f*ck, after three years in charge, has he still not been able to educate the players on how to pass the football and keep possession. We're just awful with our use of the ball.
This. AWB is an especially shocking signing, for a manager who has made us spend £130m+ on CBs who need to be 'ball playing'