Wait, are we really blaming Ole for AVB getting sent off, and Lingard making a mistake?
United were ahead prior to those game-defining moments.
United were ahead prior to those game-defining moments.
We are an awfully coached team
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That’s your logic though isn’t it ? Since you said he’s great against top managers ? It’s all about winning against the smaller teams
Past complaining about our coaching ability now because Ole won't do anything about it so not wasting my breath anymore
Well @Eriku, would you like to have a go, don't think I can word it as well as you.
I think they have their badges, they passed tests or some sort of training and therefore must be of good standard. All professional coaches are good coaches.
I agree with the bolded but it is strange given that most of Ole's most significant wins have come from setting us up deep to counter.
I can only presume that he underestimated Young Boys and thought that we could overpower them in the 2nd half without making any tactical adjustments.
Is that all it’s about though? Beat 11 teams home and away then get spanked by the other 5? We would be worse of than we are now.
Seems like it. Sack Ole today for losing against Young Boys with 10 men.
I know that Carrick was a terrible coach when he was coaching some academy in Manchester before he got the United gig.
The pattern is there for all to see except the most biased Ole fans. Against a low block, we struggle to create much. That is completely down to poor coaching when we consider the attacking players we have at our disposal.
This team is now well and truly Ole's. He needs to deliver a big silverware (FA cup/PL/CL) this season or he needs to go. If he lands at least one of those, keep him for another season and give him the midfielder as well, else bid him goodbye for good measure.
It’s nothing to do with the sending off, yes that changed the game but we were mauled afterwards and that shouldn’t happen 10 men or not
One thing is for cetain, this is the best Utd squad post SAF, and probably better than the last few years of SAF's career here.
Its going to fecking suck not to get the best out of it the next few years.
Its going to fecking suck not to get the best out of it the next few years.
There was a moment in the 2nd half where Pogba was holding up the ball out on the right wing, getting his body in the way and bouncing YB defenders off him as he looked for an option, and everyone else in a blue shirt just stood still, nobody made a run or made themselves available. It's maddening. Either we are badly coached, or every player in the team is just as dumb as a post.
Simple stuff, like passing and moving, just seems to elude us.
Simple stuff, like passing and moving, just seems to elude us.
Oh, in that aspect sure. By the same logic, Roy Hodgson is also a good coach/manager. As are David Moyes, Lumen and Round.
Doesn't mean they are good for us though. And from what we see in the pitch, neither are Ole, Carrick and McKenna.
I have to agree with the title of this thread.
As I said in the OGS performance thread:
Does Ole and his coaching staff not practice possibles scenarios at Carrington with the team if we were to go down to 10 men? Drills such as how do we shape up with a man short? How do we keep hold of possession with lesser players than the opponent? How can we still look and pose a threat with a man short? On tonight’s evidence, you genuinely can’t say we do because as soon as AWB was sent off, we just looked completely lost of ideas and couldn’t keep hold of possession for more than 3 mins. We didn’t even have an attempt at goal, never mind on target after the red card.
As I said in the OGS performance thread:
Does Ole and his coaching staff not practice possibles scenarios at Carrington with the team if we were to go down to 10 men? Drills such as how do we shape up with a man short? How do we keep hold of possession with lesser players than the opponent? How can we still look and pose a threat with a man short? On tonight’s evidence, you genuinely can’t say we do because as soon as AWB was sent off, we just looked completely lost of ideas and couldn’t keep hold of possession for more than 3 mins. We didn’t even have an attempt at goal, never mind on target after the red card.
This is why clubs pay big money to get them into the club. Anyway, great players hardly need coaching.
Who said anything about getting spanked ? Even with 2 wins and 5 draws against the big 6 last year would be fine if we beat 7- 20 on a consistent basis
Yes mate, you are a fast learner! They are all good coaches.
That second half performance, even considering that we were down a man, with zero attempts, is completely on Ole's coaching abilities and his cowardly tactics.
I remember when we got a red card in LvGs first season away to City. We were brilliant that day despite the loss. Because of LvGs coaching, we could still keep the ball, play out of their press, and create chances. This, again, was at the Etihad; a hard place to go and play football with 11 men.
A red card doesn't automatically mean abandoning any attempt at playing football whatsoever. Especially when you're already 1-0 against an opponent nowhere near your league.
A red card doesn't automatically mean abandoning any attempt at playing football whatsoever. Especially when you're already 1-0 against an opponent nowhere near your league.
Some of us have been banging this drum for a while, but we've repeatedly had "Ole doesn't have an X player in Y position". "Judge him, when he's built his team". Now, there's this mythical DM, who'd suddenly solve all of our ball-playing problems. Those who don't see issues in how we play after 3 years, won't suddenly see it now. They'll cherry pick and throw favorable stats at you all day, or name call you for being an armchair coach.
We repeatedly get outplayed by teams with far fewer resources than us, they look a lot more organized and they seem to follow some semblance of plan. I don't see this with us, except when we are playing Top teams, because then it's clear we are trying to absorb pressure and hit them on break. Versus mid-table and rest of the fodder, I can't tell you what sort of football we try to play. Southampton, Wolves and Young Boys today. These performances keep repeating, no amount of new shiny signings will ever change this. Our biggest handicap is the manager, because not only is he completely inexperienced at this level. He has also surrounded himself with likes of Carrick and McKenna in coaches, who themselves are rookies at this level. Not to mention, his #2 is Micky Phelan was plucked out of 2nd tier Australian League. I mean it's not really a surprise we look deer in headlights so often.
Ok, everyone who has a badge is a good coach.
Why on Earth teams even bother changing their stuff? Chelsea should have stuck with their rookie coaches they had last year, instead of firing them and hiring Tuchel and his stuff. Would have won UCL anyway.
That’s very patronising for someone who seems to be talking out his backside
im not that bothered by the result, that goal was coming all second half. Im absolutely shellshocked you can manage a game and group of elite players that badly
Which is fine but we shouldnt be expecting that of our manager. No one can really predict when you will have to play with 10 men, come on, let's be fair. Would be a nice bonus.
Ole just knows to defend and counter. With such an attacking lineup, we just can't sit back and expect to hit the teams on counter. With Ronaldo, Pogba and Bruno we have to dominate games ,even against 10 man. No disrespect to YB but do you think Chelsea or City or Bayern would respond like we did today ?
We have some perfect combination of youngsters , peak players and a GOAT. We just can't miss this opportunity of such a great team under a clueless manager.
We have some perfect combination of youngsters , peak players and a GOAT. We just can't miss this opportunity of such a great team under a clueless manager.
Let's not sensationalise losing a game in injury time with 10 men. Their goal came in injury time. Hardly mauled.
so he’s got the measure of the best managers in the world then? But he’s shit because we don’t win 100% vs the lesser teams like pep, Klopp and tuchel do? (They don’t) You can’t have it both ways
Expected to dominate? This is the sort of mentality for us being where we are and the lack of winning competitions. With the squad of players at our disposal, expectation needs to increase and we should be challenging for the major trophies rather than expecting to be dominated by Young Boys.
Take the Chelsea - Liverpool game and how Tuchel managed it when down to ten men, if they gave up and expected to be dominated they would have got hammered.
We're blaming him for his shit subs and terrible game management after the red.
I don't think its sensationalism. We couldn't string more than 3 passes together, hoofed it at most opportunities, fell extremely deep and allowed them to take 19 shots on our goal.
Sorry if you missed it, it is sarcasm. It is drivel that has been pushed here today. That all coaches are good coaches, so we shouldnt say that there is a lack of coaching on the caf. Im just trying to show how silly such posts and agenda's really are.
You dont have a clue Ole90+3, not much surprised.
You're on a roll tonight, brother
20 shots for them and 2 for us. The last one came in the 24th minute. This be understandable being down to 10 men if it was someone decent but it’s Young Boys
We didn’t touch the ball in their box in the 2nd half, apart from one lindelof mis-kick. We got pummelled that second half, and the fact every united fan would’ve taken a point tells it’s own story doesn’t it?
We didn't have a shot after the red card, and they completely dominated. Surely, even you think we were shocking when it came to sustaining any control in the game even when down to 10 against Young Boys? last goal or not, it's not really the crux. It's the 60 minutes performance after the red.
How in the world did you get promoted? I reckon we’ve a troll on our hands here. Back under your bridge, troll. I’ve no toll for you tonight.
Oh the horror.
Pep's Bayern that same season also had a red at the Etihad and looked much better than we did today(they also lost).
The loss today isn't the point(the loss was bad too). The performance after we went a man down was criminal.
No one is expecting us to smash them 3-0 or 4-0, but we had to show some sort of competence and resolve. We looked like a pub team.
When we perform badly under Ole, we are really bad.