We are an awfully coached team

Funny how we couldn't get the ball back with 3 midfielders and 5 defenders, and yet still CDM will solve all our problems.

With our coaching staff there's only plan A. If it doesn't work, we're stuck. It was the same vs Wolverhampton. Only that time we got lucky, not so much tonight.

Replacing our coaching staff will do more good than buying new players.
 
In fairness to Ole he has bought really well. Remember moyes signing Fellaini or LVG signing Rojo. Then mourinho is a negative manager.

I just think we can play better with the players we have.
 
pocco said:
Just need Kante and Kyle Walker before we are ready to compete with Young Boys. Then he can be judged.
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The funny part is that some actually believe there's a midfielder out there that would fix all our issues in possession.
 
Sultan said:
I can say other managers would have likely purchased different players. The question should be would another coach get more out of the players we have at the club?

I would say probably. However, it's not guaranteed.
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Who exactly is that other players ? Maguire and AWB fine. For 130m, we could have done better but that's a different discussion.No manager is saying no to Sancho, Bruno, Varane and Ronaldo.

Ole has done whatever he can. I appreciate his involvement and the club is in so much better position now. That toxicity is gone and we are climbing up places. You have to tell at some point that , we need a better manager as well .
 
Hugh Jass said:
In fairness to Ole he has bought really well. Remember moyes signing Fellaini or LVG signing Rojo. Then mourinho is a negative manager.

I just think we can play better with the players we have.
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That van de Beek guy looks especially class. So cheap as well
 
Let's see how we fare with Dalot as a rightback and eleven on the pitch before questioning the defensive switch. We were going to be living dangerously.

At 1-0 it was a reasonable switch. Didn't entirely agree with subbing off VdB and would have gone with Greenwood for Cristiano but they didn't look like scoring in a month of Sundays unless we gifted them a goal, which we did.
 
antohan said:
Let's see how we fare with Dalot as a rightback and eleven on the pitch before questioning the defensive switch. We were going to be living dangerously.

At 1-0 it was a reasonable switch. Didn't entirely agree with subbing off VdB and would have gone with Greenwood for Cristiano but they didn't look like scoring in a month of Sundays unless we gifted them a goal, which we did.
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Really? We were pinned back the entire 2nd half.
 
In 3 games out of 5 this season, we have been really poor. Can see this being a long hard season.
 
See the big problem with this performance more than result is how many top teams or teams whose level we want to be do that ? Last shot 24th min, sitting off and giving them the ball while playing 1 CM?
People saying imagine City, Liverpool or Chelsea in this position they still would of been on top. They are right because these are the teams we need to challenge for the league so we need to be as good as them.
This is Ole’s big season yes we are light in CM but he has spend 450m+ and the expectations this season are higher with most hoping for a title challenge or/and a deep run in the CL.

Yes these matches happen occasionally but it feels like it happens too us more than other top teams
 
Don't see style of play at club compared to others. From 18s to 23s to first team philosophy is bang a load of individuals together and hope for the best.
 
Sultan said:
Those complaining about Ole's coaching ability and losing despite having a great bunch of players at his disposal. Let me put it to you had Ole not been the manager had we been fortunate to have these players at the club? Another revolving door of player ins and out is what's going to happen if Ole is sacked.
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Did that happen with Chelsea and Tuchel?
 
Bigsid said:
Don't see style of play at club compared to others. From 18s to 23s to first team philosophy is bang a load of individuals together and hope for the best.
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This is my main problem with this club over the last few years. City prepared for Pep, Liverpool wanted Klopp and bought into.
We had LVG who deserved to be sacked but he brought a possession based game and bought the players to do so. What do we do ? Hire Jose who played completely different and had to sell loads and buy loads to suit his style.
We don’t seem to have a plan for a set way of playing for years
 
I look at it like this. Where do you rank Ole in terms of managers around the world? He's clearly worse than Pep, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel, and Zidane (many more are better than him but let's leave it at this for arguments sake). That makes him at best the 4th best manager in the EPL. Would fans be okay if we had the 4th best striker in the EPL? Or would we be looking to improve on the position? Clearly we'd be unhappy as a fanbase and look to get a better striker than our rivals. The manager should be looked at in a similar way. I only mention Conte and Zidane because they're jobless currently. And a CLEAR upgrade.
 
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Simple, Ole as DoF. Then bring in a coach who can actually coach, and who will focus on coaching.
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I’ve said this for a couple of years, Ole is very good at identifying the players or characters needed but simply not anywhere near good enough coaching or managing them.

I’m not going to speculate on who we should be looking at as head coach but it simply isn’t Ole unfortunately and I say unfortunately because I desperately want him to succeed and love the guy, he’s been backed to the hilt this summer and we’ve got arguably the best squad in the league so there’s no excuses anymore I’m afraid.
 
Flytan said:
I look at it like this. Where do you rank Ole in terms of managers around the world? He's clearly worse than Pep, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel, and Zidane (many more are better than him but let's leave it at this for arguments sake). That makes him at best the 4th best manager in the EPL. Would fans be okay if we had the 4th best striker in the EPL? Or would we be looking to improve on the position? Clearly we'd be unhappy as a fanbase and look to get a better striker than our rivals. The manager should be looked at in a similar way. I only mention Conte and Zidane because they're jobless currently. And a CLEAR upgrade.
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Do you seriously think Ole is the 4th best manager in the PL? You think Ole is getting West Ham 6th? Or Leicester 5th? Ole would have Leicester in midtable & would have West Ham in a relegation battle. He is nowhere near the 4th best manager in the league. Give Ole any of the bottom 10 teams from last seasons table & other than Everton he 100% takes them all down.
 
lefty_jakobz said:
In 3 games out of 5 this season, we have been really poor. Can see this being a long hard season.
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This is what worries me, We are depending more on individual talent to bail us out under Ole then playing a systematic football.
No way we looked better compared to LVG/Jose era but it was talents like Rashford/Bruno/Cavani rescued us many times with their individual display.,
I like Ole and i want him to succeed so hopefully he recruits an young coach who can really get us playing in a style
 
I don't think it's coaching. We need two first choice midfielders. One who can win the ball in the middle of the park and keeps it solid via short passes (e.g., Kante or Fabi) and a second who can control the pace in the middle of the park (e.g., Scholes or Pirlo). We should let Pogba go; he is a Gerrard-type player without Gerrard's will-power.
 
We have a fantastic crop of players now. I feel it is now fair that Ole delivers. I’ve been more than happy to give him time to assemble a squad that can challenge for top honours, I didn’t think we had it before but I do now. I’m more than happy to see if Ole can turn around our poor start to the UCL but this is the moment where he has to deliver otherwise he will lose his job.
 
I don't think Ole has to go, Ole is a good players coach and knows our culture. He just needs to bring in a coach who can actually create attacking football. Kieran/Carrick have been the culprits.

Poach someone from Poch's/Tuchel/Klopps/Guardioala's team & pay them a lot of money, and let them implement a proper style of football.
 
Footyislife said:
I don't think Ole has to go, Ole is a good players coach and knows our culture. He just needs to bring in a coach who can actually create attacking football. Kieran/Carrick have been the culprits.

Poach someone from Poch's/Tuchel/Klopps/Guardioala's team & pay them a lot of money, and let them implement a proper style of football.
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Klopp, Guardiola and Tuchel are head coaches, they are very much involved in the training and style they look to implement, not as easy as just poaching one of their coaches. Their coaches compliment their approach, our manager doesn't really have an approach, he's a pragmatic manager, not a progressive one. How we play differs from game to game.
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
Do you seriously think Ole is the 4th best manager in the PL? You think Ole is getting West Ham 6th? Or Leicester 5th? Ole would have Leicester in midtable & would have West Ham in a relegation battle. He is nowhere near the 4th best manager in the league. Give Ole any of the bottom 10 teams from last seasons table & other than Everton he 100% takes them all down.
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No I think he's way worse, I'm just comparing him only to our rivals.
 
No surprise the banter clubs are the ones with mediocre managers in charge.
 
Footyislife said:
I don't think Ole has to go, Ole is a good players coach and knows our culture. He just needs to bring in a coach who can actually create attacking football. Kieran/Carrick have been the culprits.

Poach someone from Poch's/Tuchel/Klopps/Guardioala's team & pay them a lot of money, and let them implement a proper style of football.
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You think a guy who isn't ruthless enough to ship out Lingard or replace any one of our 5 assistant coaches would be able to do that?
 
Footyislife said:
I don't think Ole has to go, Ole is a good players coach and knows our culture. He just needs to bring in a coach who can actually create attacking football. Kieran/Carrick have been the culprits.

Poach someone from Poch's/Tuchel/Klopps/Guardioala's team & pay them a lot of money, and let them implement a proper style of football.
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Doesn’t matter who you poach, Ole is pragmatic and he’ll still be making the final decision. There’s every chance Mckenna and Carrick aren’t as negative as Ole.
 
What a waste of funds over the past few seasons, only to achieve sod all except precious top 4 football but what is the point of that If we can't even get our of the group stages under ole and have pretend the europa leage is something good to be in
 
Sultan said:
Those complaining about Ole's coaching ability and losing despite having a great bunch of players at his disposal. Let me put it to you had Ole not been the manager had we been fortunate to have these players at the club? Another revolving door of player ins and out is what's going to happen if Ole is sacked.
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It's fair to say that Ole did a great job as a manager building this excellent group of players, while thinking long term, and clearly managing them well since we seem to have a good dressing room. That's not something all top managers are capable of doing, and for that he deserves a lot of credit. But it's also fair to say that sometimes he seems to be lacking when it comes to game management. He' a bit one dimensional.
 
sp_107 said:
This is what worries me, We are depending more on individual talent to bail us out under Ole then playing a systematic football.
No way we looked better compared to LVG/Jose era but it was talents like Rashford/Bruno/Cavani rescued us many times with their individual display.,
I like Ole and i want him to succeed so hopefully he recruits an young coach who can really get us playing in a style
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All UTD fans want Ole to succeed, nothing would make us happier than seeing him lead us to titles, however, there is nothing in the time he’s been manager that makes me think he has the ability to, and thats the saddest part :(
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Really? We were pinned back the entire 2nd half.
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Being pinned back and conceding are different things. They were largely inconsequential and looked far more dangerous after the red and before half time than in the entire second half. It's like suddenly nobody here ever watched a European away game under SAF.

We almost nicked an away draw from a very unfortunate position we landed in. In fact, could have killed off the game had Cristiano taken his chance and not decided to slow down and go down like a sack of potatoes under minimal contact.
 
Waste of time moaning about the coaching because Ole is too bloody stubborn to accept he needs help alongside him
 
Someone said:
It's fair to say that Ole did a great job as a manager building this excellent group of players, while thinking long term, and clearly managing them well since we seem to have a good dressing room. That's not something all top managers are capable of doing, and for that he deserves a lot of credit. But it's also fair to say that sometimes he seems to be lacking when it comes to game management. He' a bit one dimensional.
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His game management is non existent and that won't be changing
 
That kids is why we need fred and McT or 2 other workers in midfield with the attacking balance we have. When even slightly above average teams are brave and they aggressively press us and disrupt us we shit the bed and lose the midfield. Then it’s all one way traffic against and we can’t make chances because we don’t have a foot hold in the game . Pogba and Bruno don’t win you the midfield. Pogba and rice don’t win you the midfield. The sooner people get their heads around it the better. Southampton aggressively came out at our midfield and hit us on the counter and should have won, same with Wolves. Leeds didn’t counter they set out to go toe to toe. Newcastle didn’t battle the middle they just sat back. The lads tonight with in hard for everything. There’s a big difference. A smart hard working team with a bit of class in the forwards can really get at us.
 
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That kids is why we need fred and McT or 2 other workers in midfield. When even slightly above average teams are brave and they aggressively press us and disrupt us we shit the bed and lose the midfield. Then it’s all one way traffic against and we can’t make chances because we don’t have a foot hold in the game . Pogba and Bruno don’t win you the midfield. Pogba and rice don’t win you the midfield. The sooner people get their heads around it the better. Southampton aggressively came at us on the counter and should have won, same with Wolves. Leeds didn’t counter they set out to go toe to toe. Newcastle just sat back. There’s a big difference. A smart hard working team with a bit of class in the forwards can really get at us.
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Rice would definitely improve this midfield but clearly he isn't your choice then I take it
 
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