Effectively relying on 3 players here. The formation doesn’t suit us for counter attacks because the wing backs don’t do enough going forward.
We are an awfully coached team
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There's no need to call him a dickhead, point your anger at the board who were too cowardly to sack him after a 0-5 dubbling to Liverpool.
But our players are idiots as well.
Defence was better with Henderson. Dave is an excellent shot stopper, but is way too static and his distribution isn’t great. Last season Dave fully deserved to be dropped last season.
Beaten on his near post isn’t great
Mourinho was our best coach post-Fergie. You might not like him, but he won the most, with arguably a lesser squad. And that is a fact. Ole just needs to go, it is really depressing now. He can't even accept that he is not good enough at this level. I hate that grin he has during interviews, completely delusional.
I’m just embarrassed for the team and manager now. Will always love this club, have loved them for more than half a century but FFS this is shameful…..
Like ole said. We are close. Close to being battered 0-5 again.
Just so sick of Ole and the sadists at this club.
Blaming individual players for individual mistakes is fine but I think even quality players would and do struggle under such incompetence. Switch managers, name the same line ups, we’re 2-0 ahead and City look like they’re coached by a PE teacher
We were 4-0 down against liverpool at HT and now reduced the deficit by half against the champions. This is progress.
Yes. There is white text
Yes. There is white text
Looking at how City exploited our right midfield as no one was there, a good coach would have asked Greenwood to drop into that space. But no, he still sit there and did nothing.
Yep. It's sack worthy really. You can't spend 100 million every summer and play like a bunch of absolute cowards. And not even like effective cowards
I see the white text, but to be fair, conceding 4+ goals while effectively playing 7 at the back would be quite the achievement.
He is arguably our worst player. What does he ever bring to this team? Holds the ball up up the pitch so the opposition defense can get back and then just gives the most uninspired pass back to a guy thats covered 9/10 times. What a limited football player he is. Been saying this for way too long and I'm tired of seeing him start over and over again.
Thing is that this three at the back has come out of nowhere. We were horrendous at defending while playing a formation we had done for ages so not sure how the manager believes that this will be better with pretty much no preparation. The gulf in coaching between these two teams is at its highest ever and we are 3 years into Ole’s reign.
Ole sacrificed a forward player for an extra defender, along with two defensive minded midfielders only for us to look just as frail as when we played the 4-2-4. Absolute joke of a manager.
Neville spot on for once here. City players make good decisions, consistently.
Obviously they have talent, but they’re clearly well coached and know the system. That’s the difference.
Obviously they have talent, but they’re clearly well coached and know the system. That’s the difference.
Neville will never connect the dots and reach that conclusion though. To him and Ole's other mates, it's always the players who are at fault.
This is no different from when Mourinho was in charge. You could go back to Mouinhos first game in charge against City and it is a carbon copy of today.
30 percent possession at home is terrible.
Van Gaal basically said this a month into Oles reign that there was very little difference between him and Mourinho.
Just fed up with Guadiola coming to old Trafford and destroying us.
30 percent possession at home is terrible.
Van Gaal basically said this a month into Oles reign that there was very little difference between him and Mourinho.
Just fed up with Guadiola coming to old Trafford and destroying us.
Are we even coached?
Some random posters over internet can see what's the problem but the manager can't, the coaching staff can't , directors cant and feck, owners also can't see it.
City were running circles today. We didn't even get near them once.
Depressing.
City were running circles today. We didn't even get near them once.
Depressing.
Where did you pass to hear me say or post it was acceptable?
Well this certainly fooled me
What actually happened was we’d won three trophies in 3 seasons and finished in our highest position and got our highest points tally since Fergie left.
Yes things ARE rubbish right now. I'm just sick and tired of people pretending its been rubbish since he was handed the job full time
It really isn't. Solskjaer is going to leave United with a better squad than he found it. A happier squad than he found it. No toxicity in the entire club. A clear path way for youth in the first team again. Things that also DID matter under Fergie alongside trophies. Things that the right better manager will have the platform to build on and win things from after him.
And some wonder why we didn't get Bellingham.
A huge bullet dodged by the lad, he did so well snubbing us and our awful setup. Look at Sancho, what are we even doing with the lad for 72 million, we allegedly put an offer of 90m the summer before but Dortmund wanted £108/120m euro. He must be perplexed by the lack of coaching or semblance of a plan/idea.
The club is an empty old shell, a relic of an old era. Lots of money but no idea how to spend it and one day it will be gone.
A huge bullet dodged by the lad, he did so well snubbing us and our awful setup. Look at Sancho, what are we even doing with the lad for 72 million, we allegedly put an offer of 90m the summer before but Dortmund wanted £108/120m euro. He must be perplexed by the lack of coaching or semblance of a plan/idea.
The club is an empty old shell, a relic of an old era. Lots of money but no idea how to spend it and one day it will be gone.
what an obvious lieHave I mentioned Ighalo and Van de beek favorably? Telles? Even Sancho for that matter for example?
Have I mentioned his failure to properly utilize his squad?
Have I mentioned our shocking home record 2 season's running?
All I've discussed is his favoured first XI and why he deserves credit for assembling it.The self same XI the likes of you swear would be all conquering under new management
You really lack seriousness!
The only nonsense here rather is you imagining I have been assessing Solksjaer transfers. Its blatantly obvious it hasn't been what I've been talking about in the post you replied to....
What about it? LVG won silver ware and was hounded out of the club.
What do you think Greenwood is? Why do you think the likes of Williams got so much game time before ultimate not proving good enough? Henderson getting a chance to displace De Gea which he didn't consolidate? What do you think Elanga and Diallo making match day squads is? Or the likes of Shoretire and Mejbri consistently taking their places in senior training?
Sure. He should have experimented with youth and inexperience with his job on the line.
Still more dumb ass lies. You really are the champion of them...
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I'm not sure this is true. He has better players but they in no way resemble a team. And if Ten Hag actually did come here to turn them into a team, it would be apparent that a few of them would have to depart.
You need a long look in the mirror
It’s probably fooled you because you appear to be confused with things in general. As seen by the rest of your post.
I sincerely apologise if that comes across as rude but it’s the only conclusion i can come to reading your posts.
The fact I said it was rubbish under Lvg and Mourinho was probably the clue that I did not mean all was rosy just because we won some trophies.
It also doesn’t mean it was rubbish for all of Jose and Lvgs reign but the last parts certainly were and the latter part of Oles reign is now as worse if not worse. That doesn’t mean it was rubbish the whole time, again this is implied and shouldn’t need pointing out.
Ole has spent 400 million, the squad should be better. In reality it’s not actually as good as it should be considering that kind of spend. I don’t think the 130 spent on wan Bissaka and Maguire has been the most effective. I don’t think ignoring our central midfield area and spending 125 million on a number 10 and right winger who you then never play is also a good way to spend money. But that’s just me, maybe I’m insane or something.
The atmosphere at the club is toxic right now. The performances are toxic. Fans aren’t happy, Some players aren’t happy and are making subtle posts on social media pointing that out. All that horseshit people held onto about toxicity and Mourinho was only gonna go as far until the results packed up under Ole which they are now. If you keep getting fecking smashed every week the atmosphere will turn toxic very quickly regardless of who you are.
A clear pathway to the first team? There always has been at United, Ole didn’t invent it. Lvg played more academy players than anyone. In Oles three years a total of one academy player has become a regular in the team and that’s Greenwood.
The problem with all the Ole propaganda buzz phrases that people use to justify his three years here is that when it comes to actually quantifying it by results and evidence it quickly falls apart and just looks like bullshit.
Things like “toxic atmosphere” “pathway to the first team” “better future” “better squad”. I mean what is this bullshit? The goal is to play good football, win football matches and win trophies as a a manager when you’re at the fecking club now/in the present. When you find yourself digging your own grave to defend a manager with everything mentioned but style, results and trophies you know you’ve gone wrong somewhere.
Did he build the squad he has now or not?
is it a worse squad than what he found?
Squad and team are not interchangeable words
Its doubtful. The only ones I'd expect to depart are the already too old ones like Mata, Cavani and Matic and the squad players like Jones, or those yearning for game time with contacts up like Lingard. The vast majority of the squad would stay and thrive under Ten Hag. All that would be missing is the purchase of another true 6 like Matic used to be.
You think de Gea can do high press? Ronaldo? Maguire? Pogba?
Spare me the fake apology.
What? You want to lie about your own posts now?
[Oh dear, looks like we have another one……
You’d think before Ole came in we were in relegation battles and hadn’t sniffed a trophy in years.
What actually happened was we’d won three trophies in 3 seasons and finished in our highest position and got our highest points tally since fergie left. ]
There is absolutely NOTHING in this post about you saying things were rubbish under LVG and Mourinho. You only brought that up after I asked you this:
[ If things were as rosy as you paint. Why the feck do you think we hired an Ole? We should have stuck it out with the guy who brought those things. After all he is the biggest proven winner outside of Guardiola....]
You said things were rubbish under them AFTER you'd made the post I bolded and quoted back to you. Its truly rich that you have the audacity to then claim I " appear to be confused with things in general.".......
Yes. High press has always been about coaching, It has NEVER been about the type of players. Coach a team to position its self properly and always bee with in 20-30 yards of each other and you will comfortably high press. Barca for example did it with Pique at the back for years. He and Maguire both lack pace
I thought he was bizarrely quiet when Tyler mentioned the pressure on OGS. He’s backed himself into a corner with his incessant defence of the manager. Bizarre.
Buck stops with the manager but be nice if the players actually put the required effort in, won 50/50’s and a few lose balls. It’s inevitable he will have to go now but players since SAF have gone have just continually took the piss. Not enough care for club or the fans but they will get away with it
I don't agree. Nor did Pep or Klopp when they replaced their goalkeepers at City and Liverpool. DDG doesn't come off his line enough or have good enough footwork to ever be successful in a high press team. He's just one example. If you think anyone is going to get Ronaldo to press you are dreaming.
Ten Hag would be the start of a long process which I doubt the Glazers are interested in.
I'm assuming you meant to write, "Where in the past did you hear me say or post it was acceptable" so that's what I'm answering.
What you posted was,
And I said,
So I'll ask directly, how long should the club think about Ole's replacement? Is it ok to take this entire season, with the players stagnating, and the team continuing to not play well? Is there some point where a short term change to a better, but not perfect, manager would be the thing to do in your opinion?
But the away record guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Only Mason been promoted and he was a wonderkid