Pep and Tuchel lost while Ole won. Will be a period of absolute mourning in this forum for a few days.
We are an awfully coached team
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We've changed our structure since Jose and LVG.
You literally said that new coach will disassemble the team which is absolute bollocks.
No coach disassemble the team they inherit when this team is actually good and doesn't need a rebuild, like our current team. They build on it. Stop inventing myths and try watching some football outside United to know how other clubs work.
Lets see what our move is post Ole then. I think many of the changes we've made haven't really changed anything - they're just superficial. The new structures to me look to be designed specifically with Ole in mind and I don't know how well they'd fit with another head coach.
Loved his 2 - 2 - 5 formation in the 1st half.
It showed there's a lot of coaching going on.
It showed there's a lot of coaching going on.
We're not other clubs though. LvG was successful at other clubs. So was Jose. This tells me there's something specifically wrong with United that goes deeper than coaching.
Ole losing the players. Cant blame the players either.
Mourinho had a disastrous season at Chelsea before joining us and LVG had a lot of failure in his career prior to United, so yeah, my advice still stands, try and watch some football outside United to know football works.
This not true. Just look around.
Tuchel literally came in midseason and they won the UCL. Zidane in his first 3 seasons as coach won the UCL 3 years in a row. Guardiola won the EPL in his 1st season. Conte won EPL in hist 1st season. Roberto Di Matteo won the UCL in his 1st season as a caretaker.
This UTD squad is set, there are not many changes needed. This idea that with a new manager comes we will need to sell and rebuild from scratch is not true. Team building doesn't work like that. We have seen a host of examples where a new manager wins with minor changes.
UTD need to decide if winning trophies is the number 1 priority or not. The era of one coach staying in a club for 20 + years is over. Now you move on from the manager once the team has stagnated. Which is where we are.
feck him, for all anybody knows he’s shit in training and doesn’t deserve a chance.
what Ole did tonight with the subs worked.
Dude stop assuming things. Its a cheap tactic.
I mean is hard not to assume things when what you have stated is just plainly wrong and multiple people have already pointed that out to you yet you refused to admit it.
I don’t know what it going on with our forward line. Why was Pogba and Bruno so high up the pitch and why does no one come and offer any link up play when we go wide when it seems to be our only game plan.
The Pogba and Bruno high mine must be an instruction from Ole, it can’t be a coincidence that they both do it. I cannot figure out what we benefit from it.. how are we supposed to get the ball to them when they’re stood behind a line of 4 players and stood near the opposition centre backs? Very strange tactic.
The Pogba and Bruno high mine must be an instruction from Ole, it can’t be a coincidence that they both do it. I cannot figure out what we benefit from it.. how are we supposed to get the ball to them when they’re stood behind a line of 4 players and stood near the opposition centre backs? Very strange tactic.
There's no assumption. You point is nonsensical and shows that you don't know how football works. "New manager will disassemble the squad".
I mostly agree with you. Except that Pep finished 4th his first EPL season.
The club needs to be restructured so that our manager position becomes more modular and we can plug and play with the latest "in vogue" tactical coach like other clubs do. I just don't think it is, and I'm not sure that we're trying to be.
We seem to press without having any overarching system. At a particular point in the first half, you could sense the indecision of some players whether to go in for the ball or hold ground. That split second of hesitation will always be a vulnerability.
I mean surely Carrick gets it?
I mean surely Carrick gets it?
Who were they playing again? Who did we play? We got outplayed for 80 minutes by 7th best team in Spain
Stop chatting shit mate. You can't complain about the hysteria in the general and then try provoke a reaction here.
This thread is gold. When We loose; Ole is shit. When We win; shit game. Got lucky. Ole out, patterns of play etc.
Chelsea, Barca, City and Real lost. This cup is hard to win. Get real and get behind the team.
Chelsea, Barca, City and Real lost. This cup is hard to win. Get real and get behind the team.
There's no assumption. You point is nonsensical and shows that you don't know how football works. "New manager will disassemble the squad".
Does dissaemble mean to you that every single player will be sold? It just means that he''ll need a couple of crucial players and will want a couple of windows before he can be fairly judged. Say we sack Ole today. And we get in someone new and they fail to win anything. What do we do then but just say "hey he's not had any transfers yet" and back we are to the cycle.
Yeah Emery knew that we only press half heartedly. That's why he got his defenders to just stand with the ball till one player committed so they could play around us and away they go.
We should test 5 at the back, as a collective we are just as bad at defending as we are attacking. We have been conceding way too many chances this season despite adding Varane, teams with more quality will punish us in coming weeks.
With one extra CB at the back, we can step away from duo of McTominay and Fred, give vDB a go.
DDG
Varane-Maguire-Lindelof
AWB-Matic/McTominay-VDB-Shaw
Bruno
Ronaldo Greenwood/Cavani
We don't need 3 CBs, we just need a competent midfield. Also if you are playing three at the back it has to he Dalot and Telles as wing backs given they can actually cross. Shaw to be fair offers a lot in different ways.
Can't be serious...I didn't watched Chelsea's game but City were really good they deserved better.
I'd be way more assured if we played like City and lost rather than play like we did an win.
Mate, we're Man United and play worse than Bodö
We should make it clear to any new coach that completely disassembling the team is not an option. This squad doesn't need major surgery at all.
The same is true on the reverse side too though. When we lose, people get accused of jumping on the manager. When we win, people are spoiled and miserable for complaining.
Meanwhile while all the bickering is going on, the same top-four-but-not-title-challenging standard of performances remains the same.
Again, that's not how football works.
Only on Caf and for United you'll see ridiculous things like "manager should get few windows before being judged". This is only when you're rebuilding a squad or in a transitional phase. We're not.Managers are judged immediately if they inherit a good enough squads to win trophies, like our current one. Clubs sack managesr 6 months in their tenure if they couldn't get a tone of a top squad. They sack them after one year or even 18 months if they couldn't win with the squad they inherited.
What happens is managers come and buy few more players and build on the squad they inherited. No one "disassemble" the squad and no one needs "few windows" before being judged. One window is more than enough when you have a top team. If we sack Ole and the next manager failed to win or improve our performance with such stacked squad within at least a year, he should also get sacked.
So yeah, your points are nonsensical. This has to be the most hilarious excuse for Ole to stay. "Don't sack him because the next manager will disassemble the squad".
Do you even believe what you're writing ?Tbf our performance level hasn't even been that, but we have better individuals than pretty much anyone in the league so we are top 4.
The squad right now is pretty flexible tactically. I think Zidane could coach this team with no or 1 or 2 personnel changes. In terms of the hierarchy above the coach. That's pretty straight forward. Replace John Murtough and Fletcher with experienced technical and sporting directors who know football outside the EPL. We need people in charge who can analyze the game and have an idea where the game is going. Neither the two can.
UTD with their resources can go as is and comfortably make top 4. But to win, we need to adapt to how the game is now. And we can start with replacing Ole with someone better
That doesn't sound like punishment, considering he already doesn't play for us.
We're going nowhere.
We have played terrible in the majority of games this season.
That win was great, but that performance was just terrible.
We have played terrible in the majority of games this season.
That win was great, but that performance was just terrible.
Its the elephant in the room on team selection i think. Pogba doesnt work deep. Mcfred doesnt work in a game where we are going to have possession. I dont think pogba works in left midfield and eventually would keep 2 of sancho, rashford and greenwood out the team.
I think one of Pogba and Bruno should be on the bench. They do play some nice link ups etc between them but has a huge effect on team shape
I think the new sporting director should be the one making the appointment. The problem is I don't know if I trust anyone at the club to even figure out who the ideal replacement for Ole should be. We've lurched from Moyes to LvG to Jose to Ole - there doesn't seem to be a through line there. What exactly are we looking for from our managers?
STFU Donnie.
Not this shit again. You do know it's a completely stupid myth to even suggest that ?
Ole is in over his head playing to win trophies.
There's no shame in that but it's true.
There's no shame in that but it's true.
Awfully coached team?
Defense - Shaw and AWB not playing, and Dalot was horrible.
Midfield - HELP!!
Defense - Shaw and AWB not playing, and Dalot was horrible.
Midfield - HELP!!