Today is definitely exhibit A
We are an awfully coached team
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The only person near the touchline was Mike Phelan. And it was enough to make him lose more hair. In my mind if coaches sit still during matches where the team is on the backfoot, they are either a very calm person or haven't got a scooby doo on what to do/say. How many times have you seen Pep, Sir Alex and Klopp go mental on the touchline? haven't seen it at United since Van Gaal complained to Mike Dean on the sideline and morphed into a cock.
Ha its true though. Hes in his 4th year and the team has collectively under performed versus Young Boys, Southampton, Wolves, West Ham and Villa.
With his quality of squad its inexcusable at the least.
Its going to be Zidane if hes given the boot.
As an Arsenal fan I love this. You guys are joining us in the party of accepting mediocrity.
It really intrigues me why English teams are frequently held hostage by sentimental attachment to past club glories even if it leads them to misery.
Arsenal compromised a whole football generation just to keep Wenger, a totally outdated manager, because he won them a title without defeats in 12917 BC.
Now it's Manchester United clinging to Solskjær, a nice guy but a mediocre manager, just because he scored the winning goal in the 1999 Champions League final.
I can't bear to see this.
Portuguese domestic football is far from being the Premier League but when a manager is not up to the task, he's gone, doesn't matter when or who he is, we call it "the psychological whiplash", the sooner the better, what more do you need to see?
And get Leonardo Jardim, Zinedine Zidane or Paulo Fonseca. Please stop thinking about anyone else, specially those classical outdated English blokes like Moyes.
A properly coached team will provide the foundation to ensure that our lowest standard is still a huge threat to opposition teams. A proper coaching team will provide the players with the basis to become better players. Lower standard players will be able to get used to the system, thus contributing to the whole team performance.
For us at the moment the fanbase are railing on individual players as not being good enough because they are the weakest player we have, but we will always have a weakest player. We should be coached to minimize our weaknesses and have a system that improves our players and gameplay. Some of our players are getting worse because they are asked to do a job they can't do. It's knocking confidence which is vital in football and it is leaving 11 players on the pitch not 1 team.
Ole is the manager. He job is to see all the weaknesses and eradicate them asap. He has proven to be completely inept at this.
He needs to fire friends and ex players and hire top-class coaches that know what they are doing.
But he will not or cannot do that. And as such we will have some brilliant nights of football, but we will never win anything worthwhile.
Villa won today at Old Trafford, not because of a brilliant individual moment, but because they were coached to hit the ball that way, make that run and head it that way.
We need an awfully coached team.
For us at the moment the fanbase are railing on individual players as not being good enough because they are the weakest player we have, but we will always have a weakest player. We should be coached to minimize our weaknesses and have a system that improves our players and gameplay. Some of our players are getting worse because they are asked to do a job they can't do. It's knocking confidence which is vital in football and it is leaving 11 players on the pitch not 1 team.
Ole is the manager. He job is to see all the weaknesses and eradicate them asap. He has proven to be completely inept at this.
He needs to fire friends and ex players and hire top-class coaches that know what they are doing.
But he will not or cannot do that. And as such we will have some brilliant nights of football, but we will never win anything worthwhile.
Villa won today at Old Trafford, not because of a brilliant individual moment, but because they were coached to hit the ball that way, make that run and head it that way.
We need an awfully coached team.
Yes i agree with OP we are truly woefully coached, it's time to look elsewhere.
So true! in 3 years one would see some sort of style or pattern of play. Nothing
I'm cautious about going back to full blown Ole out mode like I was circa Oct to Dec 2019. I've had doubts since then, but he seems to always do just enough.
I missed the match today so can't comment on it. But our last 4 games haven't been great at all. I came into this season expecting big things, but I'll admit, I'm starting to get worried.
Yeah how much longer will the born winners (Varane, Ronny & Edi) put up with this from Ole and the coaches
He has zero ability to influence a game from the bench. It's not all about ranting and raving but there's work to do as a manager during a game too. You don't have to rant and rave on the touchline constantly to be a good manager but if you're sit passively watching the drizzling shits what are you being paid for? Screaming and shouting doesn't make you a good manager but sometimes it's needed. You've got to put a flea in a player's ear sometimes. Okay if we were playing our of our skin and he wants to sit back and watch the game then fair play to him. But there's no leadership there. Players turn to the bench and he's sat there looking like someone's boyfriend sat outside the changing rooms of Top Shop waiting for their girlfriend to emerge with her 8th outfit change.
Even if there was some kind of influence noticeable through how we play or how we react to adversity it'll be one thing but there rarely is. We're playing poorly in the 34th minute the odds are we'll play poorly every minute through until the end of the game. His influence once a game has started does not exist and that's been a problem for a long while. I don't know if his influence on a game ends at the last training session before the game, when they get off the bus in the dressing room or when but it certainly ends the moment the game kicks off.
I wonder what one of the best midfielders of his era would do to McFred.
I feel that a lot of people aren't being honest with themselves when it comes to Ole. It's perfectly normal that he can do a great job at rebuilding but fails to actually take the team to the next steps. It's not a midfield issue because we struggle against most teams. And if it's a midfield issue, he's the one who prioritized buying Sancho over a midfielder, so he must be content with our options.
We have some individually brilliant players on our team, but football has evolved now and have good players isn't enough. We've only really played well against Leeds, other than that we've lost 3 winnable games, and battled hard to win 2.
We're also mentally weak and tend to make a lot of mistakes under pressure.
Ole will be sacked come May, or a bit before that.
We have some individually brilliant players on our team, but football has evolved now and have good players isn't enough. We've only really played well against Leeds, other than that we've lost 3 winnable games, and battled hard to win 2.
We're also mentally weak and tend to make a lot of mistakes under pressure.
Ole will be sacked come May, or a bit before that.
Why don't we just take the sensible approach of thanking him for rebuilding the squad but wish him farewell, we wouldn't have to rip things up but surely there is someone out there not defensively minded who can get more from this team
You call today a low block?
Villa gave us plenty of chances to run out them, but we were disjointed as feck today.
Absolutely nailed it! This is a terribly coached and managed team, no other way around it. The sad thing is, as long as Ole gets top 4 finishes he will still be here with his coaches. The players are not going to go against him unless Ronaldo puts up a stink, neither are a lot of fans who put on their United kit and talk shite out of their backside when they come on and try to show loyalty by backing Ole to the hilt. I wonder what they see in games that shows that the team is capable of mounting a challenge for any trophies.
Good chance that Villa would have steamrolled us even more if we wouldn't have had two CDMs. I don't think think McFred was the issue today, McTominay was a bit invisible but Fred was pretty fine, his best game for quite a while. What really killed us, was being so susceptible to their pressig all over the pitch, the non-existing plan in attack that lead to shots from nowhere all the time and mostly our inability to recycle possession to control a game.
But still - Villa was very very good today, playing like that, I think, they would have caused issues to any team in the world. Was hoping they get tired at some point but I mean, they were the ones with the better chances so credit to them for sticking with it and get their deserved win.
The problem isn't the low block, the issue is inexisting plans in the attack. Villa was pressing pretty much, it isn't a low block only because it takes United 2 minutes to reach attacking positions because they can't control the ball properly.
You call today a low block?
Villa gave us plenty of chances to run out them, but we were disjointed as feck today.
This is how I know people just say anything on this board, We had so much space it was unreal
Thinks it’s reached the tipping point , we looked poor today and got a penalty and when we missed that everyone knew we wouldn’t score. Relying on a pen to save the day is quite desperate. Sadly could see the game playing out the way it did after about 20 mins which strongly suggests we just don’t know how to change it up, which is on the coaching and manager.
Don't you know? It's the Battle of Trafalgar, Battle of Britain and that sort of thing. Boris Johnson wants to be Churchill and Churchill wanted to be Wellington and Wellington wanted to be Cromwell.
He'd at a minimum implement a playing style that exposes their weaknesses in the least way.
The problems weve seen is way more beyond having them in midfield. Ole just wants a bunch of realy good attackers and hope they work it out on the pitch.
Probably start himself ahead of both of them.
We are an awfully coached teams is an understatement. Get Ole out and the rest of those blaggers and get a good professional experienced team in with a manager who has an idea how to break down teams who sit back as let’s be honest that’s the majority of teams who play us!
To be fair we had a lot of space in the first 20 minutes, but after that it was more about banging shots into a group of bodies. I dunno, we can do better than hit and hope when there's more than 3 defenders in the box.
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Pep, Tuchel and Klopp's team really dominate 80-90% of games. When they meet then it becomes a tactical match game. Over in Utd, I don't see any domination, every team has patches where they will control the game. Honestly, I an sick of Ole's mismanagement of this squad. I think we deserve a better coach.
The match is worth a watch, so if you can, re-watch it. I didn't think we were as terrible as some depict it around here. But certainly we were not forcing anything and it seemed a bit desperate in the end because we looked somewhat clueless as a collective while no individual player was really bad.
Villa earned the win, they had quite a few very good chances and, and I state that to myself, I think the god of football granted them the luck with the penalty in the end to give them the deserved result.
While watching a team you support and you have to wonder in some moments what that team is doing on a training, thats a sign enough. Its not that we are playing bad, we just aint playing football, not capable to do so.
This thread was deemed ridiculous by the "inners" a few weeks ago, because Ole and his staff have their badges.
Ole and his staff have made it painfully obvious that this thread should be here.
Ole and his staff have made it painfully obvious that this thread should be here.
This is how I know people just say anything on this board, We had so much space it was unreal
Not at all surprised, the way buzz words spread on this forum is like clockwork.
I’m waiting for attack the space to come back into vogue, those were the days.
Ole reminds me of myself playing Football Manager. All I do is buying better players, then setup an overall tactic that can put most of my best players in and hope it works out.
I think he'll replace them both as neither of them are anywhere near to United's level. However I do believe that we'll have a change of system. We're really relying on individual talent. That's basically Ole ball in a nutshell.
Exactly. We need a coach and Ole isnt a good enough one.
I use this analogy to all of Ole defenders. It doesnt matter if the car could fly or shoot rockets if the driver is still a truck driver. He still doesnt know what to do with it
Too true but the yankee leeches clearly don't give a shit about how poorly we are playing every week, they just want top 4 money and absolutely nothing else matters at all so we are stuck with this situation
How long will Ronaldo stand for this I wonder?
Chelsea fans wanted to keep Lampard depsite Tuchel being a better manager.
Despite him being being a shit manager he's probably done better than I thought he would but he's reached the end of his tenure this nonsense can't continue.
Ole has to go now. No point prolonging this. Season is still early to salvage something
Ole is clueless, incompetent and flat out a terrible manager.
Ole is clueless, incompetent and flat out a terrible manager.
Spot on.
The majority of this thread is just tiresome knee-jerk stuff from people who've already decided which side of the black-and-white Ole In/Out "debate" they're on, and the loudest ones on each side pop up after every game depending on whether we win or not.
Always enjoy your posts in the midst of all of it, even when the more rabid ones on either side (thinking of that Jezpeza character with his "patterns of play are a made up thing and you're an expert in clueless guff" shite from last week here) are piling on.