Pep and Jose can't even say such. It's not possible. Pep told the biggest player in the world to feck off even before he had managed a single game.
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Not even bothered anymore, England WILL not succeed with those two around!
Both sides agree that non performing players shouldn't be in the team. That's not the argument.
The entire argument is what constitutes a good performance.
Right now yourself and others tell us all that matters is goals and assists. OK fair enough. The problem though is that when he doesn't score and assist, like the England/Slovakia game you tell us that's not his job. Despite him being given a free role and Allardyce confirming that's what he expected of him.
So you shape your arguments in such a way that's it's very difficult for Rooney to have a bad game. It takes something truly horrible, like the first half of last season, for any of you to consider dropping him. For the rest of us him being just OK is already not good enough.
Its already worse than the Gérard situation, it's gone on for much longer, for club and country under 4 different managers and will still be going on for a while.
In reality it's our club's fault. We gave him an unprecedented contract at one of our lowest ebbs because we couldn't afford to lose a 'superstar' at that time. He still has three long years left on this contract. No other club will pay his wages so we're stuck with. If we bench him now that's three years of him as the highest paid player creating a fuss on the bench.
He will continue stinking it up for England as long as he continues to stink it up for us.
He will continue stinking it up for England as long as he continues to stink it up for us.
Basically Moyes at United, the fool is starstruck and I wouldn't be shocked if he asked for an autograph on their first meeting.
What England do with him its their business but for us I'm certain Mourinho is selfish and egoistic enough not to allow himself to go down with or because of Rooney. If Guardiola's City tear us a new one and he brings his customary Sunday league level the love in between the two will go south dramatically, for his sake he better put in a 10/10 performance on Saturday because anything less particularly in defeat will result in a chorus of 'I told you sos' from the media and fans on Twitter. Things could get ugly.
It's mind boggling how diehard Rooney supporters somehow don't find Rooney frustrating and often boring to watch.
Think you're just not getting it. I'm not defending Rooneys performances, I do not back his recent seasons at the club.
I'm condemning the personal bile aimed at him.
Yes a lot of our fans are fickle and there are many posters who go with the crowd on which players should carry the can for performances.
Not sure when being called a sheep was an insult? Maybe you're a tad over sensitive, as you seem to want to wear that shoe.
BUT BUT BUT he makes 1 good pass every game! he might even get assist or goal if we are lucky. Doesn't matter that he hardly even breaks into a sprint anymore
BUT BUT BUT he makes 1 good pass every game! he might even get assist or goal if we are lucky. Doesn't matter that he hardly even breaks into a sprint anymore
It's funny because he used to be such a powerful flair player who dared to try things. The vast majority of his wonder goals came during came during the 00's.
The bicycle kick against City and halfway line volley against West Ham being the odd exception.
He's taking a lot of heat in the press today.
It just shows a lot of people in the media don't actually watch him week in week out. It is like they're surprised by his performance. Mail, Times, Telegrapgh, Guardian and even the beeb, all have articles slagging him off.
Chris Suttin is even throwing him under the bus and blaming him for Kane's performance which I think is a tad harsh.
Just looking at Twitter, it seems the least angry are Man Utd fans.
It just shows a lot of people in the media don't actually watch him week in week out. It is like they're surprised by his performance. Mail, Times, Telegrapgh, Guardian and even the beeb, all have articles slagging him off.
Chris Suttin is even throwing him under the bus and blaming him for Kane's performance which I think is a tad harsh.
Just looking at Twitter, it seems the least angry are Man Utd fans.
The 1 big thing that worries me the most.
Allardyce said he had a free role; Dropping deep away from the goal, and ultimately away from pressure is WHAT HE WANTED TO DO. He doesn't see himself as a goal scorer anymore, he see's himself as a Pirlo/Gerrard/Scholes type playmaker. Allardyce was suprised at how deep he played, he clearly expected a proper 10 performance.
Everybody has told him that's the only way he can continue his career for 5 more years, and he's trying his hardest to show he can do it. Unfortunately Wayne you just aren't that player.
Allardyce said he had a free role; Dropping deep away from the goal, and ultimately away from pressure is WHAT HE WANTED TO DO. He doesn't see himself as a goal scorer anymore, he see's himself as a Pirlo/Gerrard/Scholes type playmaker. Allardyce was suprised at how deep he played, he clearly expected a proper 10 performance.
Everybody has told him that's the only way he can continue his career for 5 more years, and he's trying his hardest to show he can do it. Unfortunately Wayne you just aren't that player.
This is a bit of a myth that a younger Rooney scored screamers. He's scored some of his best long rangers and wonder goals in the last 4-6 years.
I don't understand this. If City tear us a new one then in all likelihood it means that our defense was awful and they ripped through us so it's likely our midfield was a bit rubbish too. Why do you automatically assume it'll get ugly, even if he has a poor game?
This is true, but also a lot of them don't care if he's playing shite for United. He was pretty horrific last season, but the attention was always on LvG, Blind, Fellaini and Mata or how de Gea rescued us again.
Their preference is for him to get every opportunity at United to regain something resembling form for the sake of the national team. He's the biggest name in the England squad. Without him, the biggest draws are Adam Lallana and Harry Kane.
@Red StoneThis.
The pro-Rooney brigade keep moving the goalpoasts and making excuses for him. He is good, but needs to play striker. No, he needs to play at 10. Scratch that, he must play in midfield. He is bad because RVP gets in his space. Now it's because Falcao has no movement. See that great pass to Valencia? It's the system that is hindering his performances- sack the manager!
Anybody or anything but him. Never him because he scored a great goal against City 3 years ago, club legend him.
The only good argument for supporting Rooney is that he is a MUFC player and as such he deserves our support, as do all our players. But please, can we support him while he sits in the bench!
Long range curler vs Arsenal (2002)
Free kick vs Fenerbache (2004)
Chip vs Middlesbrough (2005)
First time volley vs Middlesbrough (2005)
Angry volley vs Newcastle (2005)
Mazy dribble, slip and rifled goal vs Wigan (2005)
One on one lob vs Newcastle (2006)
Back post volley vs Sheffield Utd (2006)
Lob vs Portsmouth (2007)
First touch and lobbed finish vs Watford (2007)
Counter attack goal vs Bolton (2007)
First time near post finish vs Milan (2007)
Deft outside of the boot goal vs Reading (2007)
Edge of the box curler vs Newcastle (2008)
Shimmy and finish vs Bolton (2008)
Turn and rifled finish from just inside the box (2009)
Dribble and finish vs Spurs (2009)
But I don't think anyone would not watch England just because Rooney isn't playing? It's not like club football where we might annoy a few Asian fans if Rooney were to be sold. English football fans will watch England with or without Rooney, so he doesn't need to be in the team because he's the "biggest name."This is true, but also a lot of them don't care if he's playing shite for United. He was pretty horrific last season, but the attention was always on LvG, Blind, Fellaini and Mata or how de Gea rescued us again.
Their preference is for him to get every opportunity at United to regain something resembling form for the sake of the national team. He's the biggest name in the England squad. Without him, the biggest draws are Adam Lallana and Harry Kane.
The first few minutes of today's football weekly were about Rooney and they repeated a lot of the things that United fans have been saying for ages. He's obviously declined massively... it's baffling why managers seem afraid to acknowledge this... he has many supporters in the media (ex-pros) who praise him no matter what.
Yet another personal insult.
It seems all you want to do is throw childish insults around
Let's not waste both our time.
My biggest problem with Rooney is how easily he loses possesion. Have you noticed that too?
Against City that could be brutal and we could be chasing shadows.
Seems to me that the attitude of the media is shifting - a lot of articles today (rightly) criticising the reckless freedom he was awarded yesterday and a few starting to (again rightly) question his place, with him being shoe-horned in, whilst other players (Kane, Vardy, Ali etc) are forced to the bench or unfamiliar positions.
Pretty much the same at United but obviously it won't get as much attention. I think he's a minor injury away from having his place taken pretty much permanently...could just be wishful thinking.
Pretty much the same at United but obviously it won't get as much attention. I think he's a minor injury away from having his place taken pretty much permanently...could just be wishful thinking.
I agree that Rooney was once a great talent? Definitely.
I shouldn't have said 'draw'. More 'Interests', 'danger men'. I meant outside of England, no one takes the England team seriously as it is, and without Rooney there's no star names to take into the World Cup. It still remains to be seen how the next two seasons pan out for Alli, Kane and Rashford.
It should be hugely criticised, when given freedom he thinks he is a great ball playing midfielder which obviously isn't the case, he doesn't dictate tempo well nor can he play a ball under pressure to the ability of other players we have back there like Blind or Carrick or Pogba.
At united he plays as a ten, he doesn't have freedom to decide his own position.
We will be having the exact same discussions on here for the next 3 years, he's not been good enough to be a central player for one of the biggest clubs in the world but it's not going to suddenly change.
He's supposed to be playing as a 10 for us but I'm sure I remember seeing him picking the ball up from our centre-backs numerous times against Bournemouth and Hull. Doesn't need to be back there and adds nothing to our game when he plays that deep.
The opposite to this is that the anti Rooney or whatever give him very little leeway.
Like if anyone says 'he assisted a goal' they respond 'but what about him losing the ball thrice in one minute' or 'why did he not score that chance mkhi would have scored' when a defender had to block off the line and ignoring that mkhi had the best chance which he fluffed taking too much time.
Then there are a few who say 'he is playing well now but he will be shit next game' and if he assists/scores in that game 'it will dry up' and many other hypothetical nonsense.
Then there a few with the whole ' I hope he would just go to China/MLS'. Then there are a lot of people who claim he never was world class, has been shit for 3/5 years depending on the person (even though he scored 27 league goals 5 years back and 17 3 years back).
I personally have no issue with benching him but what is annoying is all this stupid revisionism and the over the top nonsense.
Most of the pro-Rooney guys I have read (like shamans and Dan gaal and others) have merely said that he hasn't been exceptional but he stil has what it takes to change a game so mourinho plays him and he deserves that. I agree with that and if he plays 3 or 4 games with no assists/goals and he plays bad then I doubt mourinho will keep him and rightly so.
88 pages on a player who has played just 3 league games and 5 official games. Brilliant.
I don't think anyone is saying that he is a WC player anymore. All people are saying is that he is still pretty decent and considering he is the only player to have a goal/assist every game for us this season, you can't exactly say Mou is biased and is selecting him for no reason whatsoever
I don't think anyone is saying that he is a WC player anymore. All people are saying is that he is still pretty decent and considering he is the only player to have a goal/assist every game for us this season, you can't exactly say Mou is biased and is selecting him for no reason whatsoever
This thread will easily surpass any other on the Internet by the end of the season thus cementing Rooney as a true legend of the club.
On behalf of some asian, we're quite literate and not blind. We'd rather see pogba and the rest of the gang, we'd rather see kagawa there and all else we dont like him much wayne rooneh
Rooney reacts to the reaction of his performance/position...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37278454
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37278454
Anyone saying that hes been shit for 5/6 years now is being dishonest but I have been accused of basically saying that. What I actually said was 'his game has been declining (slow at first and then more rapidly) since 2010' or to put it another way... 2010 was Rooney at his very best (his prime). I don't think he was shit in 2011, 2012 etc - but I simply disagree with people who think his reputation as an elite player (beyond hardcore United/England supporters) hasn't been going downhill since then.
And the reason I bring that up is because it's a good example of how valid criticism or an opinion at least gets twisted by (forgive me) folks who seem to have different standards for Rooney compared to other players out there. If Rooney was foreign he would be gone by now.
In that picture, he is up again a footballer in the white strip.
Rooney compared to the guy in the white strip looks so old. At least 15-20 years older.
This is baffling when you consider that Rooney is only 30 years old.
Not to go full tin foil hat conspiracy nut, but is it possible Rooney could be older than he say he is? He broke through at 16 but was at the level of a player a few years older. Considering his regression, it's like he's on the level now of a mid-30s footballer.
More likely is that he hasn't taken care of himself and doesn't have great genes.
Lol. This is England is not possible for some random guy to fake his age.
You're probably right, but is it 100 per cent impossible?
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