On the bright side, they'll eventually come to their senses once Rooney is moved on and then see how our attack will be much more lethal.
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On the bright side, they'll eventually come to their senses once Rooney is moved on and then see how our attack will be much more lethal.
A lot of people are simply asking for him to be treated like everyone else and benched when he is poor, which is something that hasn't happened in a long time. Is some of it a carry over from previous regimes? Yes, but you can't expect him to keep getting clean slates. Some people are simply just calling him crap, some people are going over the top in their praise. Both camps have extremists, calling someone shit is always going to look worse though.
The definition of good enough is going to change from person to person, but I think it's clear that Rooney is simply not meeting that standard for a hell of a lot of people. For me it's at a minimum not looking like several players on the bench would be an improvement over you on a consistent basis. His defenders can try and portray all negativity as hysterical hate all they want, but it's simply Rooney not meeting the standards many United fans expect of a United player and he probably never will again. The same way Fellaini will probably never win people over. Was he a great player for us? Yes, but that doesn't guarantee him eternal faith and a new chance in a new position every time he fails in one position. For a lot of people he has just used up the faith and chances they are willing to give a player. There's nothing outlandish about that.
For me I wouldn't say decent unless it's compared to his previous performances. I'm judging him on what I expect from a United number 10, not on how terrible he has been. There are other players that have been pretty cack too, he might improve if they were replaced. Conversely they might improve if he was replaced. They are possibly given more leeway by people because they haven't burned away a lot of good will themselves and because their slumps aren't as prolonged nor predictable as Rooney's. The thing that seems to frustrate people, including myself, is that there seems to be a hell of a lot higher chance of seeing the other players replaced than Rooney. Outside of one 45 minute spell against Stoke it simply hasn't happened. His protected nature makes him an even bigger target and his attitude towards his own performances seem to be of a man perfectly content to turn in some horrendous to occasionally almost decent performances and call that good enough because he has nothing to prove and this man is supposed to be our leader.
I'm just a hater though and this is utterly unreasonable drivel. He's perfectly grand because I should judge him based on someone else's standards and not my own. Drivel. Hogwash. I hate him and wish he gets scurvy from his hair transplant sucking all the vitamins from his body. I'm just looking for attention etc. etc. You know the drill yourself and how this works.
Why would you bend over backwards for a level of talent that's no longer there?
It's statements like this that expose your bias mate.
Haha it's not bias he's spot on and it's silly posts like that the make people question if there is an agenda against Rooney.
No, it is idiots that think there might be an agenda against Rooney.
If you think that then your extremely naive
What makes you think there is an agenda against Rooney?
I'd have said it was a very honest question, as there's one hell of a lot more what could be perceived as hatred for Rooney on here, than people who are going against the grain.
Does it really matter if 'people' want him gone? Personally believe one person will decide if he stays or goes, I'm confident Jose will base his opinions on how Rooney performs, not the whims of fickle fans.
Obvious there are people with agendas on here and an awful lot of sheep who just join in with crap rehashed garbage over and over again.
For my part I judge Rooney on how he performs for United, he's under performed for the majority of games for the last few season, I'm not sure why there is so much rubbish posted on here, as nothing new is being added to the argument. If he bags 20 goals this season I'll be very happy as it will help the club and as long as he can maintain his performances, all is good.
What really disappoint me is the lack of respect to the guy for all he's achieved with and for the club. Yep call him out on performances, but all the personal stuff is out of order.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...-wayne-rooney-can-play-wherever-he-wants-aft/
Can't believe allardyce said this. It makes him sound pathetic.
Also smacks of Rooney having far too much power in the dressing room.
Can't believe allardyce said this. It makes him sound pathetic.
Also smacks of Rooney having far too much power in the dressing room.
it won't happen.
They will go after the new guy for any mistakes that he makes just to satisfy their feeling that Rooney was wronged by being let go.
Some people seem to love Rooney more than they love this club. I've given up.
No it's a genuine question because I have seen comments on here with some actually being angry or disappointed he scored/assisted because it means he'd get to play more games.
Whatever is better for the team so if there's proof that we actually do perform better without Rooney , I'd be happy if he's dropped and we won the league. Right now there are other attackers in this team performing worse than him.
He actually hasn't been much better than Martial or Mata, if that's what you're implying. His goal/assist stats aren't a fair reflection of his performance in the games he's played in.
I'm sorry I honestly can't be bothered to get into another drawn out Rooney debate but to me the agenda stems from the clear bias against Rooney on this forum. Everywhere you turn you see comments calling him 'shit', 'scouse cnut', 'ship him off to China' etc and in my personal opinion that's disgraceful against a club legend that has only ever given his best for the club and that's irrespective of what he's doing in the pitch. I think that some people still haven't forgiven him for his contract negotiations and the fact that he gets paid what he does has made people have crazy high expectations. Theres loads more I could say but I've said it all before and this thread is tiresome. I agree with the people saying you can't have true debate in this thread.
The forum hasn't really called him a "Scouce cnut", and he has been pretty shit for the last couple of years for us. Go to his testimonial forum to see the respect for his career, but he shouldn't be living off his legacy in starting for us anymore because the talent is no longer there.
Yeh I've seen him called a Cnut many times in here and more... Look I'm in agreement that Rooney has declined (that much is obvious) but he still clearly has talent. He's started the season quite well and is deserving of his place in the team.
He definitely has.
The term "cnut" gets thrown around frivolously. I attested to Moreno being called a cnut and got ridiculed for it by a few posters, I wouldn't read into it too much - its just the way internet posts can go and its not specific to Rooney.
For this season, I think the caf is in unanimous agreement that he's started better than we expected. I do think Mkhitaryan should play ahead of him though and people with that viewpoint shouldn't just be classed as "having an agenda" against Wayne. He slows down our play and a fluid 433 wouldn't work because of the position he operates in. His touches are too poor and he now gives away possession far too easily.
I mean in a manner frequently enough to generalise the caf. You'll get extreme posts about every player in the performance thread - its not Rooney specific.
I didn't say he should but that he clearly is, did you not see his comments? it literally suggests no bias on my behalf.
Cheers for the reply!
See, I'm actually very close to being in full agreement with your opinion. It's just that I'm not going to bother letting Rooney drive me crazy and borderline irrational anymore. Since Mourinho came in, he has contributed to tangible results for the scoreline in the four competitive games we've played, that's all I'm saying, so as long as that happens I'm OK with him being played. I don't think many of his defenders would have any quarrel with him being dropped if he A) plays crap and B) stops being productive.
It's just that this is a discussion forum, the best I've encountered in fact, and taking up extreme positions and refusing to budge an inch on account of past transgressions isn't a very constructive way to bring about interesting debate. Which I believe you just did with me (taking the time to argue your point in an orderly manner without even calling me names, all in a constructive way), so thank you
Don't care if he plays as long as he keeps performing, just not against City. A team that excels in pressing and winning the ball back, against a very slow and laboured player who managed to get dispossessed 3 times in a few seconds by Hull City's pressing. Better teams will take advantage of those situations, play Henrikh if he's fit, excels at quick feet.
You said it's not surprising he's bending over backwards to keep Rooney happy becasue he once was a great talent. That would suggest you agree to at least some extent.
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Some can't get over the idea that their poster boy is done. They probably used to use Wayne Rooney as an argument to why the club they support is bigger than the opposition.
Its statements like this why one really struggles to take some of his backers seriously.
Fickle means changing ones opinion constantly with each passing game. Id argue, that the criticism that Rooney has faced has hardly swayed with each passing game simply because the perfomances themselves have not been consistently good for a long time. Id struggle to name a 5-10 game period over the last few years where Rooney has played consistently well.
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I doubt you can either, so the alternative is to resort to insults of everyone that doesnt share your opinion.
Those are genuine outliers.
It doesnt matter whether its Rooney or any other legend, Id not be happy with a player that seems to be undroppable even when they are not playing well.
So when he plays well, great. When he doesnt, stop shoehorning him around the pitch.
Rooney playing as a midfielder last night and Allardyce's insane comments after the game are even more incredible when you remember that interview Rooney did after Euro 2016 when Hodgson got thrown under the bus with the old 'he played Rooney out of position' nonsense.
Its not just Rooney fans though. It happens all the time in sports.
A lot of people struggle to comprehend that someone that was so good, can suddenly decline that badly.
They are Tiger Woods fans out there for example that still think he might make a comeback.
Heroes do fade out, they are human.
Good. It's about time the media picks up on this - the more stick he gets the easier it is to drop him.
Very true. You can be certain that a lot references would be made to that five overhead kick as a reason for him to be in the team come Saturday. Football is a progressive sport, and it's in the progression you find success. Isnt the mark of a good when he leaves and allows a new prospect to come in. Continuity. Sadly it feels like watching AC Milan when some fans wanted all their players to go grey and die on the pitch!
And then there's the other less dramatic decline in the case of Ruud Van Nistelrooy. One of my favourite players to this day.
He didn't dramatically decline as a player in 2005/06 but it was becoming clear United's play was suffering from lack of ideas as everything went through him and he wasn't the answer going forward. Take him out (our best striker for a long, long time at that juncture) and boom, free-flowing attacking football.
It's not a direct comparison, I realise that. But that's why I roll my eyes when people say 'Rooney wasn't that bad!'. Why is that good enough though? He's (99% of the time) taking up the focal creative slot in the side - we need more than that!
It's about wanting the first eleven to be as good as it possibly can be and there's no way in my eyes that can include an ageing, plodding, inconsistent captain who believes (in his own words) he doesn't have thing to prove to anyone.
There have been more genuine 'heroes' than Rooney who have been kicked out and if the universe is correct, he won't be avoiding the same conclusion.
I am grateful for the service he has given us in the past, but we are a club struggling in the present with ambitions to become great again in the future.
The more he stays here giving polarizing performances, the more his legacy is harmed. Something Rooney fans cant seem to take and then bemoan the supposed disrespect.
This.
Its not simply an agenda as some paint it. I just want United to be as good as they can possibly be. Its not because hes on 300k, or because he is Scouse or that he demanded a transfer request. Its all about his performances. Those truly pain me.
Its even harder for someone like me to admit as once upon a time I really thought he would go on to be better than Ronaldo.
Pure insanity. And I'm getting really tired of hearing his mediocre midfield displays described as "brilliant". He needs to take some advice from Gary Neville, who knew when it was time to call it a day.
Apologies if posted already.
Sam Allardyce on Rooney - 'he plays wherever he wants', and 'I can't stop him from playing where he wants'...
Sam Allardyce on Rooney - 'he plays wherever he wants', and 'I can't stop him from playing where he wants'...
I think even us Rooney fans are absolutely fine with him being dropped when he doesn't contribute and when Martial/Mata start performing at a far higher level. I wanted him dropped as well last year at a time he really was terrible. I just think his performances are over scrutinised compared to anyone else. Rooney and China will find a mention in pretty much any thread on the forum 
This, this and this. 'He's better in midfield' after some shit games as a striker, 'he's should play as a striker' after shit games in midfield. Thankfully last season he sealed his fate as a shit striker when LVG played him there for half a season and an 18 year old outperformed him, the excuses well and truly dried up. Now he can't play as a striker and Mou says he can't deep, he's playing as a 10 too, where he's not special either. Same with England, for some reason, he has to be on the pitch. If there are better strikers play him in midfield, if there are better midfielders play him on the wings, anywhere just make sure he plays....its exasperating. Other players lose their places to better players, better players lose their players to Rooney when his 'best' position changes. I've given up on this nonesense anyway, I just hope Mou knows what his doing and not wait till Rooney costs us points or his job before he sees what's so obvious to everyone else
We just dont want him treated any differently from other players.
I genuinely fear him becoming our own Gerrard, a legend letting down the rest of the team. No one should be picked on reputation. I wouldnt even pick Messi based on reputation alone.
Feck me, what a buffoon. Imagine if Jose or Pep said that about one of their players. And he's just backed himself into a corner.
It's basically a midtable manager in awe of a (former) superstar footballer. I bet he can't believe his luck that he's managing such a huge name.
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