Was that actually the case though, did Ferguson confirm this?
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Was that actually the case though, did Ferguson confirm this?
Rooney will get targetted in the derby. Guardiola has eyes and a brain, so he can see the weakness in Rooney's game. Furthermore, Pep loves pressing and pressing makes Rooney give up possession, and Pep LOVES possession.
If he starts centrally it is going to get ugly.
If he starts centrally it is going to get ugly.
Its completely irrelevant to someone pointing out he made a good pass. We get it, people want Rooney out of the team, lets assume its the default position of any poster on here from now . Now can those of us who like it when one of our footballers do something good have our go too.
It is laughable when an attacking player who has been given unlimited freedom and his highlight is one pass where the runner was eventually offside. A bread and butter pass for that matter. Goodness me.
As you know yourself, of course he isn't. He isn't worth the prolonged faith nor the benefit of the doubt - not for a long time now. Others weren't and he isn't any different.
It's what makes this situation so baffling, bizarre and at times laughable. I can only assume there's people being contrarian and others who genuinely held him up as a hero in his prime (never my type of player so perhaps that explains my lack of sympathy) who can't let go.
I just wish he would go, wherever he wants to. China, Everton, Chlesea, USA, Australia or Dubai. Dont care, just go and leave United and Redcafe alone.
I don't think any player in history has had as much power as Rooney has over both United & England. I actually respect hustle.
Why? There are more creative players in our team for Fernandinho to concentrate on.
Other than us fans on Redcafe, is there anyone in world football who know anything about football? Rooney is regularly praised by his peers, home and abroad, he's regularly picked by various managers. Surely he must be doing something righjt?
Yeah he's made a lot of friends in the media
Van Gaal basically admitted last year that Rooney wasn't going to get dropped no matter what. "My captain always plays." Big Sam pretty much said Rooney can do as he pleases when he plays for Sam's team.
If two managers - who we have to assume both know more about football than any old RedCafé poster - are giving him that sort of power and freedom, is it ridiculous to think others aren't too?
Yeah its probable that the guys who actually manage and have played at the top level know more than redcafe posters.
The Rooney situation reminds me a lot of Moyes time here. Most of the Caf were adamant he was out of his depth. The other side of the argument was put forward by a minority of posters aswell as most of the media and punditry.
We know which side was right then and it's the same this time.
We know which side was right then and it's the same this time.
Or the two things could be unrelated?
He wasn't even bad for Christ sake calm your tits.
If we are using this kind of logic, Ferguson who knows more than all of them tried to push him out of the club
You do, you scream as loud as you can whenever he does something above average, and use it as some kind of justification for his position in the team. This agenda you speak of works both ways mate.
He hasn't been 'world class' for about five years. Don't really see how that is relevant any longer and if he continues to believe Rooney will ever reach those levels again then he is doomed.
Well the story goes Rooney put in a transfer request, but its actually hard to know what actually happened there.
Great! We agree. I assume we also agree that it isn't totally out of the question that Rooney is being given special privileges by his managers that are based on reputation rather than merit since you're not arguing against that point at all?
Feel so sorry for England, it's Hodgson all over again, he'll trudge through the qualifiers scoring a hattrick against San Marino, get to the world cup, England get embarrassed, Sam leaves, they go again.But it did look like he was going to be moved on after that. Transfer request was in 2011 I think and him getting dropped by Fergie was 2013. Getting dropped in the Real Madrid game and not even making the final squad under Fe rguson (vs West Brom).
Fergie had set it up perfectly until Moyes decided to give him a new 5 year contract
I post a fair assessment of his game after every game. I do the same for several players, Bailly, Blind, Valencia, Fellaini, Pogba, Ibra, whoever, this is the only thread where I get 7 alerts for saying a player played decent. I haven't even said anything stronger than decent game, its astounding the responses you get in here for normal comments.
Yeah but what was the reason fergie wanted him gone? were there frictions? I can't imagine it was purely performance based as Rooney was a very important player in the season RVP won us the title.
Rooney is still Englands best player, its not hugely encouraging that we don't have any top top tier player, but we don't.
It's weird. For all his (self) proclaimed "footballing intelligence" hes somehow carved himself out this odd role where he picks up weird positions and achieves very little.
Rooney put in the request in 2011 if I remember correctly and in Fergusons biggest game of the season vs Real Madrid in 2013 he decided Rooney wasn't good enough to be in the first 11. Now Fergie would have really wanted to win that game as it was his final season and he was so upset after the loss he didnt even speak to the media. So I doubt he would leave Rooney out over frictions and it was more that he didn't think he was good enough to warrant a first team place.
Yeah he was an important player but I think Fergie knew he was on the way down by then and it was time to move him on. Fergie was an expert at getting the timing right and Rooney's poor performances over the past couple of years prove that
Probably because he wasn't decent, bar one good pass he was absolutely shite, occupying the space of central defenders so that he could have time on the ball, Stones doesn't need Rooney to stand 5 yards in front of him to take the ball off him. For some people the level that constitutes a decent game for Rooney is so low it's laughable, that's why it gets flagged up.
Blasphemy @Attila
Well he could have been left out for tactical reasons, for instance to bring wellbeck who offered us something different in but Rooney threw a mardy at being dropped. There is no way to know.
Either way Rooney obviously isn't the same player but not sure SAF's judgement on players was the best in that last couple of years.
We have a winner here!
Or you know like the last game where he won it us with a good run and perfect cross in the last minute after creating 5 chances, having one cleared off the line and losing the ball very little. There was accusations the video of highlights had been doctored and someone dissected a good pass he made for about ten minutes. What for me constitutes fair assessment from other people is laughable.
Ferguson in his last season said phil jones would go on to become the clubs greatest ever player, I wouldn't get too excited.
He also won the league at a canter with a bunch of apparent nobodies. So, there!
The fact you are suggesting he created six chances in that game tells us all we need to know.
So LVG and big Sam know what they're doing and Ferguson didn't?...
Not questioning his man management for a second, Just his ablity to judge a player. His last signing was Zaha and he was comfortable with Cleverley in the team.
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