It was a very special assist. Normal players cannot produce magic like that. Anyway, I was happy with the performances too so I have no complaints .
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It was a very special assist. Normal players cannot produce magic like that. Anyway, I was happy with the performances too so I have no complaints .
It was a great assist, I don't dispute it. I just don't rate him as a top class player anymore, but we'll probably have to agree to disagree on his overall level of performance.
We will and we do disagree on the performance but even if he was average throughout the game, is he can stay average but popup with assists like that then I have no problems whatsoever. There's a big difference between looking good on the pitch and actually having an end result
I agree, and if he keeps making assists or scoring goals, then there's no problem. If he doesn't, then it becomes hard to justify his place in the team due to his lack of overall contribution in other areas.
So we are witnessing one of his famous purple patches 
It's a shame that he was not a match winner for us last season. Or the one before that.
Last season he scored 8 league goals. Had he scored more goals, then we'd have been in the CL.
The previous season: 12 league goals. Vardy scored more league goals in 1 season, than Rooney managed in 2 seasons.
I agree that he did well in our last game, when he created the goal. This was good. Unfortunately, he rarely does that, as illustrated by his poor form during the last 2 seasons.
I find the accusations by the Rooney critics a bit absurd. Those loyal to and still fans of Rooney are apparently blind and biased? I think most of us who do support Rooney would be fine with him getting dropped to the bench if and when he does stop producing. He had a very poor start to the last season but Christmas onwards and upto his injury, he really did play really well and was good end of season in midfield. His touch might not be the greatest but he's continued to contribute even this season and he deserves his place ahead of guys like Mata and Martial, who, at the moment, are not really producing much. Zlatan was poor with his touch, control and passing vs Hull and yet it's the Rooney thread where everyone rushes in to throw some abuse in. Rooney won't have the greatest touch and he'll misplace the ball sometimes but he's at an age where he's obviously in some decline and it's expected. Ronaldo was awful in the Euros, he couldn't beat his man and he couldn't pass or dribble well but he still did produce some moments and thus he's in the team. Rooney obviously isn't close to Ronaldo's level but as long as he contributes, he deserves his place and some respect from our "fans". I've also often heard of how much better we'd be without Rooney in the team but I really failed to see the amazing results without him in it last season.
The poisonous attitude towards Rooney on this thread is quite surreal. The amount of posts about him in various threads and how every Rooney thread descends into demands for him to retire/move to China are really quite sad to view. He's a club legend, who stayed at the club even if he did throw in a transfer request or two. People adore Ronaldo on here (and no Real Madrid was NOT his dream) who was an absolute disgrace in the summer of 08 and then went on to leave the club, Rio had lunch with Kenyon and later ended up staying with a new contract, Keane had his contract issues and yet it's only Rooney who gets so much hatred? It's a shame it's come to this for one of our greatest ever players. Can't wait for him to smash Sir Bobby's record!
The poisonous attitude towards Rooney on this thread is quite surreal. The amount of posts about him in various threads and how every Rooney thread descends into demands for him to retire/move to China are really quite sad to view. He's a club legend, who stayed at the club even if he did throw in a transfer request or two. People adore Ronaldo on here (and no Real Madrid was NOT his dream) who was an absolute disgrace in the summer of 08 and then went on to leave the club, Rio had lunch with Kenyon and later ended up staying with a new contract, Keane had his contract issues and yet it's only Rooney who gets so much hatred? It's a shame it's come to this for one of our greatest ever players. Can't wait for him to smash Sir Bobby's record!
Y'see, the thing with his end product is eventually it'll dry up, he has lean periods and he has done in every season he's been at the club.
When it dries up, you've got nothing backing up his place in the team because he's clearly detrimental to the attack, detrimental to the shape/formation, detrimental performance wise and probably also morale wise because he's undroppable even when playing terribly and that'll impact on other players.
He wasn't actually that good after Christmas last year, he was just better than the shite he served up in 2015. Then he had a monumentally shite Euros and he's been piss poor in every game thus far this season, just because he's provided and assist or two doesn't cover the fact that it's impossibly clear we'd be better without him in the team. Yeah, he did well for the assist against Hull but given he was utterly shite in every minute of the game leading up to that point it's definitely arguable we'd have gotten an easier win without him.
He's our Gerrard. He's an anchor weighing us down and we can't get rid of him.
When it dries up, you've got nothing backing up his place in the team because he's clearly detrimental to the attack, detrimental to the shape/formation, detrimental performance wise and probably also morale wise because he's undroppable even when playing terribly and that'll impact on other players.
He wasn't actually that good after Christmas last year, he was just better than the shite he served up in 2015. Then he had a monumentally shite Euros and he's been piss poor in every game thus far this season, just because he's provided and assist or two doesn't cover the fact that it's impossibly clear we'd be better without him in the team. Yeah, he did well for the assist against Hull but given he was utterly shite in every minute of the game leading up to that point it's definitely arguable we'd have gotten an easier win without him.
He's our Gerrard. He's an anchor weighing us down and we can't get rid of him.
Transfer deadline day and Rooney performance is top agenda....only in the cafe haha
3 more years with the prospect of another few on top of it...........
Good Lord...
Good Lord...
Aye.
The hyperbole and vitriol AGAINST Rooney in no way matches the support in favour of him as a United player.
I could quote 20 posts from this thread that are totally insane in comparison to those who see him as worth his place. Rooney's fans are pretty much all realistic about his decline. His detractors seem to rate him alongside the worst players in the league. Mourinho clearly doesn't.
i was agreeing with a lot of what you said till this. You mean when Rashford came in and basically retired Rooney as a striker? He is a legend and I believe will be remembered a lot more fondly when he retires, but its got to this state as its been a long time brewing. Its not just on here, you need to accept that. Even the announcement of his re-captaincy for England and wish to play for 2 more years hasn't been met with great joy from England fans in general
Was that assist in the 94th minute meant for Rashford? Am I the only one that sees Rooney look at Ibra and try to get the ball over to him, only for Rashford to appear out of nowhere to stick the ball in?
Come on man. I'm far from Rooney's biggest fan but to suggest this just seems a tad too much.
Who gives a shit? He put a great ball into the box and it was put into the net. I couldn't care less who scored or who it was intended for.
Of course you should give a shit. How can you simply let go of an opportunity to discredit Rooney's only contribution in the game? He deserves to be not given an inch and should be heaped abuse on simply for putting a gun on Jose's head to get himself selected ahead of players who have been far more successful and experienced than him in the PL.
To be fair, he did say last season. And as he wrote, we usually played better with him in the team than not. But this season we do have better option.
Oh my, maybe we need a clip so someone can analyse how actually Rooney is trying to pass the ball to Hull's defender.
I meant last season. The only reason Rashford got a look-in was due to Rooney being injured, and he came in a striker doing things Rooney cannot anymore
I'm sure if Scholes or Giggs were still playing for us week in week out, they'd come up with some moments of brilliance every once in a while. Class is permanent, we could play Rooney till he's 40 and he'll still be able to put in a good cross or pass occasionally, doesn't mean the team wouldn't be better off with somone who can do those things consistently and more than once a game
He's not going to be dropped for a while. It doesn't matter though because he's producing the numbers. I know we will play better without him but to drop the team captain would cause riots in the media against Mourinho. Giving him all this abuse is unwarranted for sure. He's a United legend who has given his career for this club. Regardless of what happens outside the pitch he is the player that's stayed through generations and worked his bollocks off in every side he's been in. Give him a rest for God's sake. He's been playing since he was 16 at the top level, it's bound to have an effect. Let him break the record and leave with grace.
I wondered how that slipped through with no comment
Just came across this. This is from a season that so many think he was complete shit in. He had performances like that but apparently he's "been shit for 3 years"
Thoughts:
1. The amount of gobs Rooney left on that pitch has to qualify for some sort of record. An average of about two flew out of his mouth every time they did a close up.
2. Di Maria was the best player in a video of Wayne Rooney highlights.
3. Apart from the goal and the pass to Di Maria at the end, he doesn't really do to bring the play forward. When the team is exploding forward on the counter, more often than not he takes a touch too many and passes it back instead of keeping the forward momentum going.
4. That Wayne Rooney looks so much faster, sharper and fitter than the sluggish piece of garbage wandering around the pitch nowadays. The way he fights for the ball in that video is streets ahead of what he's currently doing. It just further highlights how quick his physical decline has been lately.
Just how?! Did you not see that chance he fluffed? No way Di Maria looks better there. I see no evidence of him taking extra touches that halt the team. If you thin every play must be a cutting forward pass then you're kidding yourself.
I don't see any suggestion of your 4th point either. Just look up the his highlights posted earlier vs hull. That assist alone was an example of his strong physicality. Of course there is no denying Rooney has declined but still a very good player. He is still clinical in front of goal and can make chances.
You're fighting losing battle with this "smart" poster, this is what he wrote about Rooney after match againt Southampton:
How is it possible to have aged so much in 3 years? There is a huge difference in him physically then and now, and I don't think LVG is to blame for the effects of aging on Rooney. Too many trips to Las Vegas!
Might have hit the post button a bit quick on that. It's missing a detail or two.You're fighting losing battle with this "smart" poster, this is what he wrote about Rooney after match againt Southampton:
What I meant was that Pogba, whenever he had the ball apart from that first touch of the game, didn't put a foot wrong, dominated their midfield and brought our play forward quickly and accurately. I'm sure you, since you're so confident about ridiculing me, can find me a performance from Rooney where he comfortably looked like the best player on the field for the full 90 minutes in the same way that Pogba did against Southampton.
I don't give a feck about popping up with goals or assists in an otherwise shite game here. What I'm looking for is a complete 90 minutes of playing great football, dominating the opposition and helping the team. I'll gladly hold my hands up and say I was wrong if you can find one.
The ones I can think of are the games against Arsenal and Bolton at the start of the 11-12 season, pretty much exactly five years ago. I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing that we have to go that far back, even if they are within the five year window.
Look at any PL/La Liga week highlights and you'll get something similar: winger beats defender with deception and fires in the perfect ball matched by the perfect run. Is the player (whom I don't know) at 3:01 (in a match I didn't know happened) a special talent?
Our player did something obviously good, I know lets find some highlights of a random player also doing that. If pogba scored from the half way line against city would you upload a video of the Charlie adam goal and call him bang average?
No, my point is the exact opposite. Doing something good consistently (to the point that if Rooney was up against a fullback I'd expect danger to follow, like Martial last season) is the mark of a good player. Any average player can throw the dice and score an amazing goal once in a while. So a single action isn't enough to decide if the player is special or not (well, I guess the exception is Messi v Getafe, because that was pure
)Edit: Actually, I should clarify. Producing magic everytime is unrealistic ,what I meant is you need your basics covered, and then add some fairly consistent special highlights to that. That's a special player.
No, my point is the exact opposite. Doing something good consistently (to the point that if Rooney was up against a fullback I'd expect danger to follow, like Martial last season) is the mark of a good player. Any average player can throw the dice and score an amazing goal once in a while. So a single action isn't enough to decide if the player is special or not (well, I guess the exception is Messi v Getafe, because that was pure
Does pogba score from the half way line consistently?
No, nor does Charlie Adam and it's a skill almost irrelevant in football. Pogba controls and passes the ball with wonderful consistency, he can beat his marker or a pressing team consistently, and when on form he can shoot from range with above-average accuracy.
What exactly does that even mean? You're looking for a flawless 10/10 performance? And if it's not that, then he's shite? So name me who else has these "90 minutes of dominating opposition" if Rooney doesn't?
Completely dodging the question. Admit it, your logic is just flawed. You're saying a single action cannot be used to check the quality of a player but if Pogba scores a wondergoal from the halfway line or Rashford dribbles and scores a goal you'd be praising them for the quality.
And like I said, Rooney has done assists like that time and time again. The fact that he did is in the 94th minute under pressure makes it even bigger.
No, this is wrong. It's not a single wondergoal from Pogba that made people realise he is special. It was a huge highlight reel full of them. The same way, with Rooney. He was an astounding talent not because of his debut goal vs Arsenal, but because he showed the same stuff (without necessarily the same end product) at the Euros and some other matches for Everton, and then repeated it v Fenerbahce. Beating players with pace and power, long-range shooting, and some decent passing too. A single shot or pass or dribble doesn't prove anything. And Rooney's last big run was the FA cup final, before that, maybe...Spurs at home in 2014/15?
Edit: It's a good feint but it's not all that special as it's being made out. The context elevated it. The volley he narrowly missed about 10 minutes previously was probably tougher than the assist, wonderful technique for that.
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