All those goals... I can understand every United fan who expects more from him than he deliverd the past ~30 months. It's easy to understand those still loyal to him too though.
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All those goals... I can understand every United fan who expects more from him than he deliverd the past ~30 months. It's easy to understand those still loyal to him too though.
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Counting only league matches, here are Rooney's stats since the start of 2013/14 (i.e. the point at which he should have been shipped out according to some):
Starts: 88
Goals: 38
Assists: 23
So, 61 goals or assists in 88 starts. It's not too bad, given the context of overall poor play from the team. It's certainly not the pub level catastrophe some would have you believe.
You can talk about overall play, and I think it can look like it leaves something to be desired. But in those 61 goals and assists, there'll be lots of examples of excellent, out-of-the-ordinary play that might show why he still starts regularly.
(Funny, that we only ever see video comps of Rooney at his worst these days. A video comp of his best during that period would still be worth watching for fans of good goals)
Starts: 88
Goals: 38
Assists: 23
So, 61 goals or assists in 88 starts. It's not too bad, given the context of overall poor play from the team. It's certainly not the pub level catastrophe some would have you believe.
You can talk about overall play, and I think it can look like it leaves something to be desired. But in those 61 goals and assists, there'll be lots of examples of excellent, out-of-the-ordinary play that might show why he still starts regularly.
(Funny, that we only ever see video comps of Rooney at his worst these days. A video comp of his best during that period would still be worth watching for fans of good goals)
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Rooney at some point was our best player, even when Ronnie was here we were mostly average if he wasn't on the pitch,even I acknowledge that. That was a long time ago and he ranges between average to shit majority of the time these days, but a lot of people refuse to acknowledge that. He consistently gets praised performances like the Leicester and B'mouth and Iceland games with 8/10 ratings,excuses are being generated for him on a daily, players doing better than him are getting slated...all by the British media and fans. Most foreign media/fans just have him down as the average-shit which he really is most times.
I have never been really attached to players (I think that's part of the problem here) but this guy was really special. The fact that some people still don't think he's declined in any way, form or fashion means a lot of the argument about Rooney is pointless.
Is that really a fact? Don't really recall any such posts in here...
Fair enough mate i thought there might have been some gossip doing the rounds in the papers that you had read with the details.
Watching those Rooney goals is really saddening. The pure joy/excitement/anger/emotion when he scores is so evident, he really has fire in his belly. Wish he played with the same vigour but I suppose it all becomes a bit mundane when you've done it for so many years.
I don't think anybody here that doesn't want him starting expects him to be that player anymore. I just wish he sorted his touch out, stopped dropping so deep all the time and start playing a bit more varied. He's still got it in him to actually run with the ball, I don't understand why he does it so little these days. What's happened to his shooting too? he used to power in shots, now he just finesses it every time.
I don't think anybody here that doesn't want him starting expects him to be that player anymore. I just wish he sorted his touch out, stopped dropping so deep all the time and start playing a bit more varied. He's still got it in him to actually run with the ball, I don't understand why he does it so little these days. What's happened to his shooting too? he used to power in shots, now he just finesses it every time.
Yeah it's one of those things on here that gets repeated so often that it becomes fact. As you say during the last few years he has declined no doubt, arguably the decline started even before that but bar the first half of last season he hasn't been crap as many seem to believe.
That period of dogshit form before Xmas last year really coloured peoples opinions i think, to the point where people not only think that is his level but also thats he's been playing like that for years now. Which just isn't true.
I would actually like to see him rotated more and become more of an impact player this season. He still has the ability but physically he's not what he once was, but as we seen at the weekend late in games when the opposition are tired and with his experience i think he could be very effective off the bench.
Mate, there is a thread with 10 angles of his emotion and joy on display after last win at Hull. It's fecking there!
Even as a fan though you can only call those stats "not too bad." I know this points been made over and over but that's just not good enough. If anything what you've said there supports the idea that he should have been taken out of the team three years ago. Or at least played on merit like all the other players.
I've not seen him celebrate like that for ages and I partly believe it's because that's the best bit of play he's produced in years. It must be frustrating for him to see his powers fade away. So to produce a bit of the old magic like that, to do something that befits a player of his status must have been very satisfying.
That was more in the emotion of the late goal IMO, he doesn't celebrate normal goals the way he used too. I just think he's a bit bored of football these days, lost the desire.
his contract negotiation turned off a lot of people.
As a player he of course has faded. Still a pretty useful player to have.
As a player he of course has faded. Still a pretty useful player to have.
Jeez.....words cant express how gutted i'd be if we gave him another undeserved contract.
I agree with this. Rooney has always been a confidence player too, so it's a pity the international break is disrupting the flow. Although, it might have been the start of nothing as maybe he's just spiraling into decline. Wait and see, I guess.
He's crap and has been for 12 months.
He wasn't first choice in 12/13 and that was over 3 years ago, Fergie knew he was well on the decline, he's been declining since 2010 since he picked up that injury away to Bayern Munich.
When was the last time Rooney produced a brilliant performance against one of the bigger clubs?
A depressing video to watch. I remember these goals, but watching him over the last four years you forget that he was a truly world class player, once.
We shall see what happens this season but at the moment it looks like he had very good productivity (goals/assists) under every manager apart from LVG. Under LVG he has had his lowest goal tally. Even under Moyes his goal/assist record was good and under Mourinho so far he's at a goal/assist per game.
You're such a pretentious twat.Anyway I've been listening to the Guardian football weekly podcast this morning and would you fecking believe it?! Those cnuts are only pushing that desperate agenda yet again!
They have the nerve to say Rooney was poor for everything bar the assist and that Miki coming on (they can't understand why the latter is not starting over Rooney) was a night and day difference! Cheeky, desperate, disrespecful bastards.
He's had a great career, couldn't live up to the White Pele crap but that isn't his fault.
He is one of the greatest English players of all time, and of the PL era.
He must've had opportunities to leave us for a club abroad but he's stayed loyal, credit to the lad.
He is one of the greatest English players of all time, and of the PL era.
He must've had opportunities to leave us for a club abroad but he's stayed loyal, credit to the lad.
2 + 2 = 5
You are right, during that period before Christmas last year he was completely and utterly dogshit, and many people here went to the Rooney-is-crap camp during that time. What made matters worse for us fans is that through that period last year, he never got dropped, not even subbed off for those piss poor performances. And all the while the media never called him out, either kept silence or blamed it all on LVG, or blamed other players around him, or said he was not at his best position. So yes, opinions turned and most won't be coming back until he is treated as any other player would. He should play on merit, not on reputation.
What you suggest about him coming off the bench is actually a good idea. That's what SAF would do with Giggsy in many ocasion where he needed something special or wanted the extra experience. But Rooney is not being used in that way; instead he is being used as a permanent and almost undropable player, and in a position of number 10, where he is supposed to be key to our whole attack and play. In that position he is ineffective during long periods of the game and disrupts our flow, and from that central position affects the play of the whole team. So he should be rotated more, as you suggest. But he should also not be playing so centrally so much, maybe he should be at LW.
funny you say this, I remember Matthaus after the Iceland game on ITV dismissed him straight away
this is why Germans win things
Germany just went out of the euros because of one of their leaders decided to play handball in their own box.
We're so lucky to have both of these in our squad...
Any GIFers out there who might find the part when Rooney got dribbled by Maloney (I think?) a few times inside the box and suddenly just stopped and threw his hands in the air when we were still defending. Was such a weird situation.
For 300k I'd play for fecking liverpool and kiss their badge and hang a gerrard poster on my wedding day. And I'll throw in a shankly tattoo on my arse as well
I'd do that for one time payment of 300k, let alone weekly.
I do like money thou.
I do like money thou.
Rooney can't play good football every week, but if he was playing up front with a partner lower down in the Prem I still think he could 15 goals and be productive that way. Like Ighalo last year. Or at Sunderland as Defoe's partner or at Bournemouth partnering Wilson, or at Palace partnering Benteke and scoring knockdowns after Zaha and Townsend crosses and Delany hoofs at the Belgian's head.
Would be better for all involved, but that's life.
Would be better for all involved, but that's life.
yes current World Cup holders who reached the semis next tournament
For £300k/w I'd paint my house sky blue and name my son Gerrard!
I can't believe we'd be stupid enough to give this has-been another deal, he's already getting money for nothing without giving him more.
This is the thing that annoys me the most when people say "shite for 3 years".
Under Moyes him and De Gea seemed to be the only players that gave a shit about playing well and giving 100% on the pitch. People that think he was shit that season probably think he was never good throughout his career.
If the assist last week didn't remind you he was a world class player once then you are just biased against him right now.
He scored boatloads in 2011/12 which is after 2010. Even in 12/13 he played a lot as a second striker and had a good linkup with RvP.
And depends. He scored 2 vs Liverpool, a goal vs Spurs and Arsenal in 14/15. Last season as I said he was poor.
Yeah true. He even scored a halfline goal against WHU iirc. He was excellent that season.
It was a vital assist, but his overall performance was average. Glimpses of brilliant play are what we get with him now, if we're lucky. That highlights the decline more than anything.
Performance aside, I'm just saying how you can forget he was once world class with assists like that.
Because his performances are generally terrible -- and even that assist isn't a patch on the things he was doing in his prime.
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