[stevoc]

Really? He has had special privileges through the past year, clearly articulated by LVG on multiple occasions. There are better players than him for every position he can play, yet he always starts and never gets subbed if we are chasing a game. Jose doesn't spell out the special privileges, but his actions so far this season seems to suggest they are still in place. Slightly different (he gets subbed out near the death of games, Smalling for Rooney) but still in place.

Yes it's a ridiculous notion that he has some sort of stipulation in his contract that ensues he plays or that the club is forcing managers to play him for commercial reasons.

Van Gaal dropped him a few times, and Mourinho will do the same.

The reason you are having trouble processing why Van Gaal and now Mourinho continue to play him is likely because neither of these professional football managers think Wayne Rooney is currently as bad a player as you do. Simple really.

 

[rooney2009]

Tbf, it was a bit like being kicked in the balls for 90-odd minutes, then being handed a tenner & asked to forget the pain.

More like being given 100k

 

[shamans]

.

I've never seen a player who can be so inconsistent without consequences. It's just brushed off with "That's just Wayne. He needs a few games to get going." or "He's being played out of position. He needs to play up front/on the wing/in the hole/in midfield." by his supporters. Why should a player who only performs for half the season be given the captaincy and a permanent starting place in the team?

He gets such leeway because of what he did last week. He is a match winner which is why he is so important to the team. Sorry but with his current end product suggesting to drop him is mad.

 

[shamans]

The only realistic conclusions I have come to with regards to people actually still rating Rooney are;

1. Denial
2. Trolling
3. They haven't played much football themselves, or don't watch many other teams.

Good to know you've played much football. We should tell Mourinho, LVG hodgson, Big Sam and everyone to hire you instead since they know shit. Oh and everyone in the media is his buddies. And all of us? We're just on the Rooney pay roll.

Check that tweet which was posted regarding his pass to Zlatan. Tell me who is trolling.

 

[Jazz]

Yes it's a ridiculous notion that he has some sort of stipulation in his contract that ensues he plays or that the club is forcing managers to play him for commercial reasons.

Van Gaal dropped him a few times, and Mourinho will do the same.

The reason you are having trouble processing why Van Gaal and now Mourinho continue to play him is likely because neither of these professional football managers think Wayne Rooney is currently as bad a player as you do. Simple really.

He dropped him for one match only. Can't remember who we played away.... when did he get dropped again - serious question as I can't remember that happening at all

 

[clarkydaz]

Stoke away, came on at half time

 

[Dante]

He dropped him for one match only. Can't remember who we played away.... when did he get dropped again - serious question as I can't remember that happening at all

It's still enough times to disprove the mental suggestion that he's contractually obliged to play.

The levels of delusion about Rooney are like arguing with a religious person about their faith. They're so convinced by their own circular logic, that any implausible theory will look like it makes sense. I'm struggling to understand the point of view of some people in this thread.

 

[SteveJ]

Here's a quick guide to insanity for the bewildered amongst the Rooney massive:

Bizarre: Stating that Rooney has 17 legs, lives in a UFO and is manipulating the stock market.

Not bizarre: Stating that players sometimes have play-minutes/games clauses in their contracts. This is especially true of players who might be sold (for example, Benteke had such a clause before leaving Liverpool). Besides, in an industry where potential signings are sometimes lured to clubs with sweeteners like houses for their parents (and so on), it'd hardly be 'bizarre' or 'ridiculous' if a high-profile player's agent made excessive demands of a club.

As it happens, I don't believe that Rooney has such a clause; neither do I believe that he has 17 legs.

The levels of delusion about Rooney are like arguing with a religious person about their faith.

Yeah, you said it.

 

[Jazz]

Stoke away, came on at half time

But that was the only time wasn't it? Can't remember any other time he was dropped.

Anyway, we'll see what Jose does if the assists from Wayne dry up. If that happens and he doesn't put him on the bench then we'll know for sure he's got a clause in his contract

 

[Jazz]

It's still enough times to disprove the mental suggestion that he's contractually obliged to play.

The levels of delusion about Rooney are like arguing with a religious person about their faith. They're so convinced by their own circular logic, that any implausible theory will look like it makes sense. I'm struggling to understand the point of view of some people in this thread.

1 time?

 

[dichinero]

It's still enough times to disprove the mental suggestion that he's contractually obliged to play.

The levels of delusion about Rooney are like arguing with a religious person about their faith. They're so convinced by their own circular logic, that any implausible theory will look like it makes sense. I'm struggling to understand the point of view of some people in this thread.

It really isn't tbh!

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Anyway, we'll see what Jose does if the assists from Wayne dry up.

Then he'll just start scoring!

And while 'dropped' seem too strong of a word for his absences, he also got just a minute or so in West Ham FA Cup game.

 

[Jazz]

Then he'll just start scoring!

And while 'dropped' seem too strong of a word for his absences, he also got just a minute or so in West Ham FA Cup game.

Ok take it easy You have great faith in your Wayne.
I completely gave up on him last season, and would be surprised if he scores more this season than the last one.

 

[Dante]

Here's a quick guide to insanity for the bewildered amongst the Rooney massive:

Bizarre: Stating that Rooney has 17 legs, lives in a UFO and is manipulating the stock market.

Not bizarre: Stating that players sometimes have play-minutes/games clauses in their contracts. This is especially true of players who might be sold (for example, Benteke had such a clause before leaving Liverpool). Besides, in an industry where potential signings are sometimes lured to clubs with sweeteners like houses for their parents (and so on), it'd hardly be 'bizarre' or 'ridiculous' if a high-profile player's agent made excessive demands of a club.

As it happens, I don't believe that Rooney has such a clause; neither do I believe that he has 17 legs.


Yeah, you said it.

There's as much evidence for it as there is for the moon landings being faked.

 

[pre Munich Red]

I didn't create the videos. Are you suggesting the Rooney video is doctored to make him look good, and the Zlatan and Miki videos are doctored to make them look bad?

Certainly not , take a complement when it's given, the issue of video analysis and potential bias is a live one, would be aware that all of his plays were not successful, naturally, but channelling play through a player who has always had a poor first touch and now gets caught in possession more frequently should also be questioned and shown.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

I completely gave up on him last season, and would be surprised if he scores more this season than the last one.

He does play closer to the goal this season though. And I like the fact that he's involved in each of the three games this time around. Maybe even four, but I don't count that pass to Lingard in CS as an assist. Hope he surpasses it!

 

[shamans]

• Terrible pass to zlatan
• Has bought the media
• Has a clause in his contract that he must play

How ridiculous can it get.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

Good to know you've played much football. We should tell Mourinho, LVG hodgson, Big Sam and everyone to hire you instead since they know shit. Oh and everyone in the media is his buddies. And all of us? We're just on the Rooney pay roll.

Check that tweet which was posted regarding his pass to Zlatan. Tell me who is trolling.

Moyes was sacked. LvG was shafted. Hodgson was forced to resign. Big Sam will fail. Mourinho will too if he sticks with him.

I don't know what Zlatan has got to do with Rooney. Everyone knows that Zlatan is lazy. I would accept a lazy Rooney that was good at most other aspects of the game.

You do realise that you can't just come into a club and get rid of senior players over night. Rooney, Carrick, Young, Valencia, Smalling, Jones, and De Gea have been playing with each other for a long time. Despite Rooney being shite, he is sociable and obviously well liked.

That is just one of the many reasons why he hasn't been disowned. He is guaranteed an ambassador role with the club, and I think there is a clause in his contract that states that he must start X number of games each season. Marketing commitments play their part too. He earns a lot of money off image rights and can't risk having his image jeopardised, hence a possible clause to help protect him.

 

[shamans]

Moyes was sacked. LvG was shafted. Hodgson was forced to resign. Big Sam will fail. Mourinho will too if he sticks with him.

I don't know what Zlatan has got to do with Rooney. Everyone knows that Zlatan is lazy. I would accept a lazy Rooney that was good at most other aspects of the game.

You do realise that you can't just come into a club and get rid of senior players over night. Rooney, Carrick, Young, Valencia, Smalling, Jones, and De Gea have been playing with each other for a long time. Despite Rooney being shite, he is sociable and obviously well liked.

That is just one of the many reasons why he hasn't been disowned. He is guaranteed an ambassador role with the club, and I think there is a clause in his contract that states that he must start X number of games each season. Marketing commitments play their part too. He earns a lot of money off image rights and can't risk having his image jeopardised, hence a possible clause to help protect him.

Apart from this forum it seems like everyone has some excuse or exception to play him. I wonder who I should trust.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Has there been anything interesting in the last five pages or should I just assume it's been more of the same?

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

Apart from this forum it seems like everyone has some excuse or exception to play him. I wonder who I should trust.

It all comes down to Moyes giving him a new mega contract. Just a few weeks prior to his arrival, Rooney was halfway out the door.

LvG comes in a year later. What's he supposed to do, sell him a year after signing a new deal? His valuation, his salary; who would want him at any other elite club at that point?

Chelsea signed Costa after being knocked back the previous summer. City had Agüero and Džeko. Benzema and Ronaldo were at Real. Messi, Neymar and a newly arrived Suárez were at Barcelona. Lewandowski and Müller were at Bayern. Griezmann and Mandžukić just signed for Atlético on the back of them reach the Champions League final.

 

[clarkydaz]

Apart from this forum it seems like everyone has some excuse or exception to play him. I wonder who I should trust.

its hardly confined to this forum is it. Opposition fans don't fear him and want him in the side, Shearer told him to retire from England

 

[LouisDanGaal]

Has there been anything interesting in the last five pages or should I just assume it's been more of the same?

A few pages ago someone analysed a good pass over like 8 still images to illustrate how terrible it was and someone claimed the video of his game was doctored. So yeah pretty much the same.

 

[RDCR07]

I completely gave up on him last season, and would be surprised if he scores more this season than the last one.

I dont get it. If any of our other players had a shit year last year it was due to LVG and the whole team was shit so we should give them another year but when it comes to Rooney it doesnt work that way. No he was shit last year no matter what. He should have been better. All that bullshit, well why doesnt that apply to anyone else who played last year?

 

[Jazz]

I dont get it. If any of our other players had a shit year last year it was due to LVG and the whole team was shit so we should give them another year but when it comes to Rooney it doesnt work that way. No he was shit last year no matter what. He should have been better. All that bullshit, well why doesnt that apply to anyone else who played last year?

Mate, I judged him on the last couple of years and finally gave up on him last season - nothing to do with LVG. In fact, I had my misgivings in the second half of SAF's final season, but it's Rooney, so I dismissed whatever negatives I was thinking at the time.
Last season just convinced me I was right.

 

[manunited1919]

I dont get it. If any of our other players had a shit year last year it was due to LVG and the whole team was shit so we should give them another year but when it comes to Rooney it doesnt work that way. No he was shit last year no matter what. He should have been better. All that bullshit, well why doesnt that apply to anyone else who played last year?

You blame LVG for Rooney's shittiness. I blame Rooney for LVG's shittiness. LVG would still be manager if he hadn't put all his eggs in the Rooney basket. But if you want to argue it's the other way around, then fine. Both are a big pile of shit and stink up the place.

 

[bugmat]

A good ball? He fecking walloped it at him. It's the hardest shot I've seen him take all season. The pass to Pogba was so much easier and could have been played without adding about a ton of unnecessary weight to the ball.

Mate a looping ball at shin height is the most exquisite pass a #10 can make in the modern game - it's up to the striker to be o the requisite quality to accept what is a sure "goalscoring chance". Taking about passing it to the man unmarked on the edge of their box? Are you crazy?!? The man with a defender on his back - that's who you pass that ball to. Shin height too to make for good TV!I see you've got a lot to learn. Luckily Wazzinho will be teaching you for quite a while as long as he pops up with regular assists (as a winger mind you because that is also the job of a supreme #10 t create chances out wide, not from centrally).

People in here can really deceive themselves. Rooney is NOT playing well as a #10. His chance creation is terrible from that position. In both games where he assisted first Zlatan vs Saints and then Rashford vs Hull were from out wide. IMO that's where he should play - a position where he has the time and space to make the passes. When he's in the middle he cannot handle the job. He doesn't get given the time he needs. He doesn't hae the vision and he no longer has the pace or brute strength that used to make up for what he lacked. He can still pick a pass and poach a goal though, but as long as he's our #10 this team will have a self-imposed limit on how good it can become.

 

[dichinero]

Mate, I judged him on the last couple of years and finally gave up on him last season - nothing to do with LVG. In fact, I had my misgivings in the second half of SAF's final season, but it's Rooney, so I dismissed whatever negatives I was thinking at the time.
Last season just convinced me I was right.

There was a lot of debate on Blind at CB, Valencia and Fellaini as a footballer and all three have performed reasonably better this season but with Wayne it's still the same old crap with or without the managers influence. Not better under José and I bet he won't be under Allardyce!

 

[LouisDanGaal]

I saw a diego forlan appreciation thread the other day. This is our captains and soon to be leading goalscorer evers thread, who has made a contribution in literally every game this season.

I'm struggling to think why our fan base gets so much stick.

Edit: I'm not really

 

[wr8_utd]

I saw a diego forlan appreciation thread the other day. This is our captains and soon to be leading goalscorer evers thread, who has made a contribution in literally every game this season.

I'm struggling to think why our fan base gets so much stick.

Edit: I'm not really

Rooney might get an appreciation thread in the future. The way things are going right now though I'd be surprised if there wasn't a lot of revisionism when it comes to Rooney and his career at United in a year or two. Remember how Tevez was suddenly rubbish once he left us? Won't be surprised if suddenly Rooney becomes overrated, never world class and never a legend.

 

[stevoc]

He dropped him for one match only. Can't remember who we played away.... when did he get dropped again - serious question as I can't remember that happening at all

Well you might be right mate but i remember him being dropped for one of the cup matches early in the season. Think it was in the Carling cup, might have just been rested but still he didn't start every match when fit.

 

[stevoc]

Here's a quick guide to insanity for the bewildered amongst the Rooney massive:

Bizarre: Stating that Rooney has 17 legs, lives in a UFO and is manipulating the stock market.

Not bizarre: Stating that players sometimes have play-minutes/games clauses in their contracts. This is especially true of players who might be sold (for example, Benteke had such a clause before leaving Liverpool). Besides, in an industry where potential signings are sometimes lured to clubs with sweeteners like houses for their parents (and so on), it'd hardly be 'bizarre' or 'ridiculous' if a high-profile player's agent made excessive demands of a club.

As it happens, I don't believe that Rooney has such a clause; neither do I believe that he has 17 legs.


Yeah, you said it.

What type of clause was that then mate? I have heard that some players have clauses in their contracts that if they don't play x amount of games over the course of a season they can leave or their release clause drops etc.

But i have yet to hear about a player having a contract with a club that guarantees he plays x amount of of games/every game as has been suggested with Rooney. Very few if any clubs or managers would agree to such a clause.

 

[manunited1919]

Well you might be right mate but i remember him being dropped for one of the cup matches early in the season. Think it was in the Carling cup, might have just been rested but still he didn't start every match when fit.

No disrespect intended, but your post actually made me laugh, Carling Cup rest and all.

 

[stevoc]

No disrespect intended, but your post actually made me laugh, Carling Cup rest and all.

Good, makes a change from reading most of the tedious shit in here i guess.

Still even if he was only rested in one cup match and dropped for one PL match it still disproves any theory about him having a contract or agreement with the club that guarantees he will play every match.

 

[SteveJ]

What type of clause was that then mate? I have heard that some players have clauses in their contracts that if they don't play x amount of games over the course of a season they can leave or their release clause drops etc.

But i have yet to hear about a player having a contract with a club that guarantees he plays x amount of of games/every game as has been suggested with Rooney. Very few if any clubs or managers would agree to such a clause.

Tbh it's not exactly the kind of thing that clubs, players or agents would reveal publicly; so, I have no evidence bar hearsay, chief.

 

[Abizzz]

How could a clause like that actually work in Rooney's case? What could that clause possibly stipulate as a result when he does not play? More money? If he's getting an appearance fee for playing... and would get a "not playing" fee for not playing... why not just raise his basic fee again? He could have a clause that terminates his contract if he doesn't play, in which case he could move on a free. With the wages he's getting I'd argue that would be to his disadvantage...

If Mourinho decides he's not delivering what he expects, Rooney will be dropped. It's still strange why LVG didn't drop him, but LVG is a strange man (in a positive way, I guess).

I expect Rooney to be dropped rather soon. He could actually be quite a good impact striker as a substitute for another couple of years if Mourinho is able to reignite his hunger for goals.

 

[Mr Smith]

You blame LVG for Rooney's shittiness. I blame Rooney for LVG's shittiness. LVG would still be manager if he hadn't put all his eggs in the Rooney basket. But if you want to argue it's the other way around, then fine. Both are a big pile of shit and stink up the place.

There have been some crazy claims in this thread, but this has to be the nuttiest of the lot

 

[Perrick Dubois]

@Arytonblue great post in the other Rooney thread. I refuse to reply in that roiling cesspit of a thread.

 

[prath92]

The biggest myth is that he has been crap for 3 seasons. In decline and crap are still 2 completely different things which even a 10 year old should understand.

3 seasons would indicate 13/14, 14/15, 15/16.

13/14 he was our top scorer with 17 goals in the league. He was arguably our best attacker that season even though he was supposedly angling for a move away from the club.

14/15 again he was the top scorer with 12 league goals. Though he often played in midfield to accommodate guys like di Maria and all who didn't have half his dedication yet people still want Di Maria in the squad.

15/16 he was poor and I doubt even Rooney himself would argue otherwise.

So basically it's the one season that he has been crap. He is in decline (like 90% of the players will be as they get older). Sure he may have been dispossessed a few times and misplaced a few passes. Does that really matter? That is just like those ridiculous critiscisms Ronaldo gets that you take away his goals and he is a poor player. Take away de gea s saves and he becomes a bang average player too.

Is he in decline? Yes. Is he crap? Not really. I still see him phased out next season or after that once he breaks his record but this idea that he has been in the team other than by merit is crap. This season again he seems to be the one who is scoring or creating so no he won't be dropped and rightly so

 

[fellaini's barber]

You English can be so deluded when it comes to your player love ins, the stuff I hear them saying about him in the sport shows and read about him from his staunchest fans on here, i've just concluded that there are things about him only you guys can see.