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manunited1919 said:
When Mhikitaryan and Rashford were doing their stuff, They seemed to take over the number 10 position and Rooney seemed to drop deeper or shift over to the LW some more. The problem with Rooney at 10 is that he creates nil and he disrupts the flow of the team. Mhiki would be my choice at 10. Rashford was effective because he came in as LW but also made many of his best moves as a second striker, from a more central position.

The problem is that we cannot play a full match, or even a full half, with the formation we had at the end of the match, as it does not have a good defensive balance. We were able to get away with playing that way at the end because by then Hull were focused almost 100% on defending the 0-0 score.
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Good point. It does seem unlikely to me that there can be a proper balance in the team if Rooney, Mkhi and Pogba all are on the field together. All of them tend to drift into similar areas of the attacking third and Ibra also drops deeper at times.

Ideally Mkhi would be the #10 and Rashford and one of our other wide options would start firing. I know people knock Lingard for his limitations a lot, but I think it may be worth it to try him out on the right as he's a good and willing runner off the ball.
 
This thread...

10 years ago the caf won't argue about this, let alone in 2016 with a YouTube video

This is just the maginot trench these days. With diehard supporters fighting a losing battle every day it's not even fun when you have to drag a who you're going to pass to wayne.

We dont have this debate on any other players do we?
 
Sky1981 said:
This thread...

10 years ago the caf won't argue about this, let alone in 2016 with a YouTube video

This is just the maginot trench these days. With diehard supporters fighting a losing battle every day it's not even fun when you have to drag a who you're going to pass to wayne.

We dont have this debate on any other players do we?
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Ten years ago, there was a similar debate ("he is shit", "bench him Fergie", "sell him") about ... Giggs!
 
clarkydaz said:
that's an interesting insight. Jose himself concedes he wasn't playing great, and had no problem subbing him several times already. Looks like he was left on because we were so dominant so could afford to keep attackers on.
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Nowhere there does he "concede that he wasn't playing great". He just confirmed that there is no problem with subbing him off if he needs to. Rooney won't get upset, the team won't get upset, tactically he can make that decision. (Tin foil "must have contract clause that says he always plays" sellers take a shot and go down like a lead balloon there I think)

Looks like he was left on because (shock horror) instead of wingers Jose "needed people to play inside in that position" and knows that "he’s the guy with the vision for an assist and a feeling for the ball, and that he could perfectly be important, like he was.” It almost sounds like pretty high praise, well color me completely surprised.
 
Sky1981 said:
10 years ago it was a joke, a punchline, and the instigator was rightly getting his cumuppance.

This year, you guys aren't joking
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Not trying to derail the thread, but was it really? I remember all those things were very serious, just maybe the internet is not yet widely used. Just later it became a joke or punchline as you said it.

Sky1981 said:
This thread...

10 years ago the caf won't argue about this, let alone in 2016 with a YouTube video

This is just the maginot trench these days. With diehard supporters fighting a losing battle every day it's not even fun when you have to drag a who you're going to pass to wayne.

We dont have this debate on any other players do we?
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This I agree with, it has became tedious to see, how can somebody actually used a clip or a collection of clips just to show how bad a player is.
 
ManRant said:
Not trying to derail the thread, but was it really? I remember all those things were very serious, just maybe the internet is not yet widely used. Just later it became a joke or punchline as you said it.



This I agree with, it has became tedious to see, how can somebody actually used a clip or a collection of clips just to show how bad a player is.
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I'm not sure, but IIRC yes, it's one or two nutters that comes up with Sack Fergie Sell Giggs brigade. It wasn't taken as something serious other than the one who says that.

What's tedious is that people actually seeing a clip of how bad a player is and can still defend that. It's like seeing Messi running past 5 players and argue that Rooney can do that as well.
 
prath92 said:
Isn't Rooney contracted by Nike? Why would adidas want a Nike player undroppable?
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I just made an edit to my original post, as I'm not sure this is an Adidas chart, or just a chart where someone slapped the Adidas logo onto it.
 
shamans said:
Holy cow. The weird logic train regarding Rooney continues. It has come to the point where we should drop a player because we predict they will not score or assist even though they have consistently been doing so?

A few months from now we're gonna have a good laugh at this thread. We still are! Only on this forum would a performance like last weeks get slaughtered considering it's Rooney.
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It's not really a prediction as much as a given when it's happened so many times over the last few years. Barring those few games after New Year last season and the one game against Brugge he was pretty much dead weight. In the first half of the 2010-11 season during the first contract dispute he was utter shite and didn't score a goal from open play until January. He didn't score for two months before the second contract dispute. During those final league games of van Gaal's first season where we lost three, drew two and won only one Rooney didn't score a single goal and was widely criticised. And then you have a lot of times where he's gone off the boil for shorter periods of time.

Even though I don't give a toss about international football he's been doing the same for England. Playing horribly at tournaments and racking up goals against the fodder in the qualifying stages, yet he remains the undroppable captain of the team and plays every game.

I've never seen a player who can be so inconsistent without consequences. It's just brushed off with "That's just Wayne. He needs a few games to get going." or "He's being played out of position. He needs to play up front/on the wing/in the hole/in midfield." by his supporters. Why should a player who only performs for half the season be given the captaincy and a permanent starting place in the team?
 
nick2004 said:
Watch the first two minutes of the video. That's the first half. Rooney created more than anyone of our players in the first half. A shoot that was saved on the line, an excellent free kick that Zlatan could not convert, a run on the right and a good pass to Martial who couldn't meet the ball. That was pretty much our best chances in the first half.

The first half! And actually Rooney improved in the second half!

The level of abuse that Rooney receives here is unreal!

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Ok, first of all, using those highlights videos for pretty much anything is useless, since the clips could be cherry picked for whatever agenda you have. There is a video of him a couple pages back vs B'mouth where he looks like the worst player to ever play the game.

That being said, as long as he keeps getting involved in goals, he should start and he has not been as poor as some people make it seem.
 
Bobcat said:
Ok, first of all, using those highlights videos for pretty much anything is useless, since the clips could be cherry picked for whatever agenda you have. There is a video of him a couple pages back vs B'mouth where he looks like the worst player to ever play the game.

That being said, as long as he keeps getting involved in goals, he should start and he has not been as poor as some people make it seem.
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Problem is, he is that poor. And it's not only in 3 games, he's been poor for 3 years.

His average rating in here paints a clear picture, unless you're saying that 90% of the poster here has an agenda.

He's detrimental to the club, he's poor for 3 years and counting, and if you think he will somehow find his 2009-2011 form then we might as well play Giggs/Scholes/Beckham, who knows they might find their forms 10 years ago.

A good goal here and there, but overall he's poor. If the pro rooney brigade can't even agree that he's been poor for 3 years then there's really nothing to debate here.
 
Sky1981 said:
Problem is, he is that poor. And it's not only in 3 games, he's been poor for 3 years.

His average rating in here paints a clear picture, unless you're saying that 90% of the poster here has an agenda.

He's detrimental to the club, he's poor for 3 years and counting, and if you think he will somehow find his 2009-2011 form then we might as well play Giggs/Scholes/Beckham, who knows they might find their forms 10 years ago.

A good goal here and there, but overall he's poor. If the pro rooney brigade can't even agree that he's been poor for 3 years then there's really nothing to debate here.
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This season at least hes been very productive and as long as he produces, i find it hard to justify benching him. I agree that hes been poor for quite some time now, but maybe he can reinvent himself under Jose?
 
Bobcat said:
This season at least hes been very productive and as long as he produces, i find it hard to justify benching him. I agree that hes been poor for quite some time now, but maybe he can reinvent himself under Jose?
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That's the concern. He's been poor this season yet has had moments where he has produced. That alone does not me with confidence because it's seems more like he produced we have a better at of players this season and a better manager. There is no guarantee that he can keep popping up over the course of the season while playing poorly, even less so because it is Wane.

Apologist keep spouting stuff like Wayne hate which is rubbish. Fellaini is a more "hated" player and being an anti Fellaini guy myself I can't deny that the lad has done well. I still have my doubts about Fellaini over the course of the season, the fact that he has done Ok thus far. If Fellaini can get plaudits so can Rooney but the latter isn't playing well. Wayne Rooney simply hasn't and I for one, I'm not going to pretend the odd assist against Hull, Soton and B'mouth has makes his poor performances.
 
His average rating in here proves nothing. This thread is full of people who feel disappointed when he scores or assists and wouldn't give him more than a 6/10 if he got a hattrick, saved a goal and got 3 assists.
 
Perrick Dubois said:
Nowhere there does he "concede that he wasn't playing great". He just confirmed that there is no problem with subbing him off if he needs to. Rooney won't get upset, the team won't get upset, tactically he can make that decision. (Tin foil "must have contract clause that says he always plays" sellers take a shot and go down like a lead balloon there I think)

Looks like he was left on because (shock horror) instead of wingers Jose "needed people to play inside in that position" and knows that "he’s the guy with the vision for an assist and a feeling for the ball, and that he could perfectly be important, like he was.” It almost sounds like pretty high praise, well color me completely surprised.
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its high praise for what he's capable of, not for the game he was having. There's a difference. Needing to answer questions again about his place in the team and he didn't defend or query the question. But of course its media agenda again to even bring it up
 
manunited1919 said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/uMAXitFootball/status/770320257323929600/photo/1

I can't help but notice how in this chart there are multiple players for each position, except for his spot. If marketing people are running the show, Rooney won't be dropped anytime soon, unless we are at risk of dropping out of top 4.
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I think you might be looking way too much into that picture mate, i doubt whoever put it together has inside knowledge on Jose Mourinho's team selection plans.

They obviously just arranged all the players in a symmetrical layout, with Rooney being in the centre because he's club captain.
 
wr8_utd said:
His average rating in here proves nothing. This thread is full of people who feel disappointed when he scores or assists and wouldn't give him more than a 6/10 if he got a hattrick, saved a goal and got 3 assists.
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That's total bollocks. If he got a hattrick or assisted regularly we could get over his poor play. if you think people are unhappy now, wait until his assists/goals dry up. It'll happen aswell, we know Rooney goes in purple patches. If this is him playing "well" for you guys, I hate to see what he will be like when bad.
 
Sky1981 said:
10 years ago it was a joke, a punchline, and the instigator was rightly getting his cumuppance.

This year, you guys aren't joking
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I'm not sure what you mean by it was a joke? Surely you know it was a bit more than that.

Around 2001-03 Giggs was going through the worst period of his career, his form was bad and had been for a while. His presence in the starting line-up wasn't exactly welcomed by many at OT on a matchday. Who thought he was past his best and shouldn't be in the starting line up anymore.

And he was booed by many at Old Trafford, at least one time that i can remember by what seemed like half the stadium.
 
clarkydaz said:
its high praise for what he's capable of, not for the game he was having. There's a difference. Needing to answer questions again about his place in the team and he didn't defend or query the question. But of course its media agenda again to even bring it up
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It is high praise because he is the manager and praising one of his most experienced and most important players for contributing something of significance is part and parcel with man-managing your players properly. He is delivering an answer to the question he was asked in the at particular interview. James Riach who wrote the piece is inflecting the narrative that Rooney's position has come under threat this season and did not enjoy the best of games, that is his own personal opinion and has nothing to do with the comments Jose made.
 
manunited1919 said:
What about because Rooney sells more shirts than Neymar!?

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...o-memphis-depay-the-top-selling-player-shirts
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If that was the case, Memphis would be undroppable too?
Sky1981 said:
Problem is, he is that poor. And it's not only in 3 games, he's been poor for 3 years.

His average rating in here paints a clear picture, unless you're saying that 90% of the poster here has an agenda.

He's detrimental to the club, he's poor for 3 years and counting, and if you think he will somehow find his 2009-2011 form then we might as well play Giggs/Scholes/Beckham, who knows they might find their forms 10 years ago.

A good goal here and there, but overall he's poor. If the pro rooney brigade can't even agree that he's been poor for 3 years then there's really nothing to debate here.
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Not sure if this is a serious post. He was good for most seasons except the last. He was our top scorer in 13-14 and 14-15 and was in our team on merit.

As for your average rating here, Fellaini was arguably our best player yet his rating would indicate he was average. Ratings here mean nothing.
 
I think we can all agree he's past it and shouldn't be a regular starter but there seems to be an entirely different standard applied to him. Yes, I know he's on 500k a week and no, I don't give a feck what he makes. Aside from that hilarious minute where he gave away the ball every time he touched it, he was pretty much our most effective attacking player even without the assist at the end. That's not to suggest he was very good (he wasn't) but he most certainly wasn't terrible for 90 minutes as some are suggesting. I would personally have Zlatan as the #10 and Rashford up top but Rooney's hardly preposterous he's starting instead.

Does it kill people to give a little credit where it's due? People love to get their knickers in a twist when called a hater but for a lot of the posters on this thread it fits quite perfectly whether they like it or not. There's more snide remarks and abuse than actual criticism of his play and the criticism is often so tediously over the top that you wonder why they even bothered. You can't even escape these posters in threads completely unrelated to Rooney or even United for that matter. The least they can do is limit their bullshit to this thread.
 
stevoc said:
I think you might be looking way too much into that picture mate, i doubt whoever put it together has inside knowledge on Jose Mourinho's team selection plans.

They obviously just arranged all the players in a symmetrical layout, with Rooney being in the centre because he's club captain.
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I agree that whoever put together this chart hardly has inside knowledge of Jose's plans. Still, we still have not seen Rooney dropped for any game, nor have we seen him get subbed out for poor play, like any other player would, while the team is chasing a game. We have not seen any evidence of Rooney's priviledges beeing much different under Mourinho than they were under LVG.
 
manunited1919 said:
I agree that whoever put together this chart hardly has inside knowledge of Jose's plans. Still, we still have not seen Rooney dropped for any game, nor have we seen him get subbed out for poor play, like any other player would, while the team is chasing a game. We have not seen any evidence of Rooney's priviledges beeing much different under Mourinho than they were under LVG.
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He will be dropped if he has a couple of games where he stops contributing with goals and/or assists every game while also playing poorly. Jose obviously didn't think he was playing that poorly on Saturday as he kept him on and took Martial and Mata off instead. It was the right call as it paid off.

Rooney doesn't have special privileges why would he? If he's not performing and contributing Mournho will drop him simple as that. We are 3 games into the season for fecks sake, 3 wins and Rooney's played a significant part in all 3 victories.
 
This is just like when Van Gaal managed to rack up a few wins and became immune to criticism. Most people where basing their opinion about Van Gaal over a -longer- period of time. It's the same thing with Rooney. It's not based on one or two fecking games. He will continue to score goals and have assists, yet he is not good enough to start every game. For must of us it's not irrational hate, it's wanting what's best for the club.

If the bundesliga-player of the year is given the same amount of minutes I'm quite sure he will be able to rack up decent stats, as well as contributing much more to our overall play and make the team better. The source of all the frustration is that Rooney has been getting special treatment for years. He has been the only player allowed to underperform and yet keeping his place in the team.
 
Some day, while waiting for his one good contribution per 90 mins, we'll get stuffed. Or one of his numerous poor touches will finally get capitalised on by a decent team. I hope it doesn't happen but it will if he doesn't improve drastically
 
fellaini's barber said:
Some day, while waiting for his one good contribution per 90 mins, we'll get stuffed. Or one of his numerous poor touches will finally get capitalised on by a decent team. I hope it doesn't happen but it will if he doesn't improve drastically
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Seems to be the standard nowadays.
 
stevoc said:
He will be dropped if he has a couple of games where he stops contributing with goals and/or assists every game while also playing poorly. Jose obviously didn't think he was playing that poorly on Saturday as he kept him on and took Martial and Mata off instead. It was the right call as it paid off.

Rooney doesn't have special privileges why would he? If he's not performing and contributing Mournho will drop him simple as that. We are 3 games into the season for fecks sake, 3 wins and Rooney's played a significant part in all 3 victories.
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Really? He has had special privileges through the past year, clearly articulated by LVG on multiple occasions. There are better players than him for every position he can play, yet he always starts and never gets subbed if we are chasing a game. Jose doesn't spell out the special privileges, but his actions so far this season seems to suggest they are still in place. Slightly different (he gets subbed out near the death of games, Smalling for Rooney) but still in place.
 
I can see him having a good game against City, doesn't he usually show up against them?
 
Am I the only one (being not English) laughing my ass off at the idea of England feeling like they have to pick Rooney until 2018 so he can retire after a tournament, regardless of whether he continues to deteriorate or not?

Such a fecking bizarre statement to make two years in advance.
 
Minimalist said:
Am I the only one (being not English) laughing my ass off at the idea of England feeling like they have to pick Rooney until 2018 so he can retire after a tournament, regardless of whether he continues to deteriorate or not?

Such a fecking bizarre statement to make two years in advance.
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Yes, it's him saying "I'll go when at my own time and when I'm ready to go." Seems like England can't drop him either.
 
Minimalist said:
Am I the only one (being not English) laughing my ass off at the idea of England feeling like they have to pick Rooney until 2018 so he can retire after a tournament, regardless of whether he continues to deteriorate or not?

Such a fecking bizarre statement to make two years in advance.
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I'm sure non English football watchers and non United fans laugh at how United seem to have to keep playing no matter what form he's in too
 
The only realistic conclusions I have come to with regards to people actually still rating Rooney are;

  1. Denial
  2. Trolling
  3. They haven't played much football themselves, or don't watch many other teams.
 
As long as we keep racking up wins, laugh away.

WhoDaGOAT said:
The only realistic conclusions I have come to with regards to people actually still rating Rooney are;

  1. Denial
  2. Trolling
  3. They haven't played much football themselves, or don't watch many other teams.
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I'd reckon someone like Mourinho rates him. Which number is he?
 
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