Rooney was our best player against Hull now? this thread has gone through the looking glass
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I think some people who watched the match started to comment and not just those with their comments already typed out.
Just to clarify I don't think he was our best player, I think Bailly was, from the starters at least.
see above, someone else does
Obviously in bold and underlined by the author, not by me.
Well, there are multiple psychological studies that show that often, our prejudices control what we see.
That's why people cannot believe the numbers.
Now they cannot believe the video, either!
Obviously!...
They must have missed the CB's mopping up absolutely every long ball. Despite both being actually pretty short for the position.
Baily did well, but he didn't have to do much.
He didn't have to because he played so well, the amount of balls him, blind and fellaini cut out between them was very high, allowed us to dominate and literally park in their half. Its small margins between those three for man of the match but I really felt in the last few minutes Bailly was pushing us on.
Wayne Rooney, Ballon d'Or 2016. Works hard and stuff.
Yes. There are obvious strengths and weaknesses to every player and Rooney's weaknesses (time spent on the ball, poor control, generally insipid passing) mean that he isn't conducive to playing fast/quick passing. The potential replacements (Mkhi, Rashford, Mata to an extent) are better in that respect. And if you have enough players capable of that brand of football, you can often be a nightmare team for a defence (rather than being a nightmare group of individuals).
There are (and have been at United for many years) possibilities of better football if someone else is played in his position. And that requires patience, letting the combination gel in training and in matches, etc. I don't think we'll ever see it.
He didn't have to do much because Hull was focused on defense.
He was fine but there wasn't much good about it. He mostly just kept things ticking without really doing a whole lot, until the assist anyway.
The above video shows none of that. No time spend on ball, good passing, good control (excellent control for the assist).
But your description fits the Miki video above.
Created 5 chances and had an effort cleared off the line as well as keeping things ticking over and leading the team as captain.
They played constant long balls in a bad to make the most out of our back two's lack of height and abel Hernandez's height and strength, but they dominated the duals in the air to keep the ball in the other half.
The three videos again.
Watch and compare.
And there is no need for Martial and Mata videos...
Watch and compare.
And there is no need for Martial and Mata videos...
Riddle me this guys. If Rooney had such a decent performance;
- why were Rio/Scholes pressed on the issue at halftime?
- why did the manager after the game have to explain why he left him on?
Because people buy media spin as they don't really understand football. The media brought up questions. Those who know a bit about football in Rio, scholes and Mourinho explained to people why he plays.
One good match of the day piece on him and opinions will change. A lot of people really just don't get it.
A good ball? He fecking walloped it at him. It's the hardest shot I've seen him take all season. The pass to Pogba was so much easier and could have been played without adding about a ton of unnecessary weight to the ball.
What Rooney did was 90% of it. And yes. Only Rooney could have done that. The drive and power. Nothing was going to stop him. In a way it remined me of that thunderbolt of a goal v Newcastle years ago.
He also had many poor touches.
He clearly is at the end of his best days. But he is a club Legend. He deserves to break Charlton's record and he will this season.
Next season, all I will have are the great memories.
Apart from that horrible minute or so where he seemed to lose the ball 3 times I thought his performance was generally fine and the assist was fantastic.
His touch wasn't a problem on Saturday although quite often it is.
Danny Murphy said on MOTD he was outstanding against Bournemouth, was he correct?
The pass around 3:50 is pretty amazing. Yeah he's lost some pace and burst but his passing especially in the final third is still pretty amazing.
Also, the way he shoves of the defender reminds me of the old Rooney who'd charge like a bull.
That's not my point, my point is lots and lots of fans who maybe can't watch the game or don't follow it too closely will change their opinion when they hear something on MOTD, I am not assessing the validity of what they say.
I also really really don't want to align myself with Danny murphy.
he started out poorly..slowly improved.
I thought overall he had a very good game. And when a player can get a result...which is what he did for us, then it needs to be recognised.
No disrespect to teh lad for putting it in. What a legend he is going to become for us.
I think people who claim that this assist was the only worthwhile action from Rooney are just being silly and bitter. He created quite a few good opportunities and participated in some great moves as well. Basically in terms of his involvement he was no worse than any other attacking player.
Just off the top of my head, he made a through pass to Pogba in the box, he delivered a great cross to unmarked Rashford when he fluffed his header, he also received the ball in the box from Ibra and crossed it to Martial who just missed it. So basically he was not worse than any other attacking player. It's just all of our players: Martial, Ibra, Mata, Pogba and Rooney are not fit enough. And our attacking play is just being built.
Also if we take Micky, he had couple good surging runs, but when he had the ball near the box he usually lost it or done something foolish, like a weak shot right in the middle of the goal. He also managed to create just one chance, an easy pass to Shaw when his shot was blocked. And also free-kicks. But apart from that he failed to create a single good opportunity from open play. And when he had his moment, he did not take it well enough, decided to take one touch too many and lost valuable time. So while his play in the middle of the pitch was fine, even good considering he was a sub, but the end product was just poor. Which is how United currently play. So to have someone that can actually create this ending product is very valuable for the team. It's not a coincidence that in the last two games it was Rooney's assists for our first goal.
Yes it was a nice pass. Pity that Zlatan's first touch failed him.
And actually, a pass to Pogba would be a bad choice. It could be intercepted. But even if it went through, Pogba would be with his back to the goal and three opponents around him.
On the other hand, if Zlatan could control the ball, then he could pass to Pogba who would now be facing the goal.
So, Rooney made the right choice here. It was Zlatan's fault that he couldn't control/pass it.
1. Rooney would ideally not be a starting XI player week in and week out anymore, though I think he still has the quality to be a valuable squad player for us.
2. Martial and Mata have been worse than Rooney this season and should be under more threat to lose their places than him.
3. None of our goals have been "brilliant" because the interplay between our attacking players is still a work in progress. Often Pogba, Rooney and Ibra all congest the middle of the field and neither Mata or Martial have been making well timed runs in behind to exploit the space Ibra leaves when he drops deeper to receive the ball.
4. Rooney had an average game overall against Hull, but he won us the 3 points at the death and deserves to be picked again as nobody else was able to create an opportunity that good over the 90 minutes, bar Rashford's driving run into the box and shot to the far corner which was saved by the GK.
5. Objectively looking at the the performances of the starting front 4 it seems to me that Rooney has done more to keep his spot than Mata or Martial. Imo the biggest problem we have is that neither of our wing players are making runs in behind the defense or driving at defenders. Rashford and Mkhitaryan improved us tremendously when they came on and as a result we created far more in the last 30 minutes of that match than we had until that point as they gave the team a more dynamic element that had been lacking.
6. If I was Mourinho, I'd drop Mata for Mkhi and seriously consider dropping Martial for Rashford for the City match. I get the sense that Mkhi will come in for Mata, but that Jose will give Martial one more opportunity to come good before putting Rashford in for him.
2. Martial and Mata have been worse than Rooney this season and should be under more threat to lose their places than him.
3. None of our goals have been "brilliant" because the interplay between our attacking players is still a work in progress. Often Pogba, Rooney and Ibra all congest the middle of the field and neither Mata or Martial have been making well timed runs in behind to exploit the space Ibra leaves when he drops deeper to receive the ball.
4. Rooney had an average game overall against Hull, but he won us the 3 points at the death and deserves to be picked again as nobody else was able to create an opportunity that good over the 90 minutes, bar Rashford's driving run into the box and shot to the far corner which was saved by the GK.
5. Objectively looking at the the performances of the starting front 4 it seems to me that Rooney has done more to keep his spot than Mata or Martial. Imo the biggest problem we have is that neither of our wing players are making runs in behind the defense or driving at defenders. Rashford and Mkhitaryan improved us tremendously when they came on and as a result we created far more in the last 30 minutes of that match than we had until that point as they gave the team a more dynamic element that had been lacking.
6. If I was Mourinho, I'd drop Mata for Mkhi and seriously consider dropping Martial for Rashford for the City match. I get the sense that Mkhi will come in for Mata, but that Jose will give Martial one more opportunity to come good before putting Rashford in for him.
Another aspect that we often overlook is how selfless Rooney's game is.
Many strikers would not pass to Rashford at the end, they'd try to get the goal themselves.
Many strikers would not pass to Rashford at the end, they'd try to get the goal themselves.
Cos he was excellent
Good point. In the first half he was even letting the Hull players in on the fun.
This is exactly what I mean by the difference between proper criticism and ridiculous one. If you are going to criticize a pass like that then no matte what he does you'll never be happy.
Good post.
Rooney...a bit like Mata at times in that the stats can be good but they dont match the performances
Puzzling how easily Rooney gets muscled off the ball now and his influence is wayning
I'd love to see Mata get a few games in there at 10.... i think we'd see a more productive and creative attack
Would be good to see Rashford, Mata and Mhikitaryan behind Ibra in the next game
Puzzling how easily Rooney gets muscled off the ball now and his influence is wayning
I'd love to see Mata get a few games in there at 10.... i think we'd see a more productive and creative attack
Would be good to see Rashford, Mata and Mhikitaryan behind Ibra in the next game
Pretty funny this part of your post because because in your opinion passing to pogba (who had no one within 6 feet of him) was bad as it could be intercepted and he had his back to goal? Yet passing to Zlatan who had two players within two feet of him and also his back to goal was the better option?
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