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I found Zlatan's. If Rooney played like that, people would moan to no end!
Who was good vs Hull? Can we have his highlights to compare?
I have a further list of good passes that other players failed to create something. Plus, Rooney's mistakes are nonexistent, at list in this video.
I went and did further analysis of his performance and I could not find the 4 chances he created as noted in the whoscored page. I only counted two, one being the assist and the second being the set piece where he found Zlatan. Else, the other chances he created did not reach his men or did not create a goal scoring opportunity. Even though, crosses can be sited as chances, these crosses were inadequate and ineffective.
After reanalyzing his performance, I still can not see how he was good in that game. He went from bad to average, while having one great moment. The rest of his performance was average and he did not provide any spark, inventiveness or drive from that performance. I know the standard for Rooney has gone down the past couple of years, but even by his standard that did not look like a good performance.
On the bold part, I disagree completely. if you remove 30 secs from any forwards game, if they had a good or great performance, we will see more highlight of those great moment than a single 30 second interval. We did not see that from Rooney against Hull because his performance was not good, but average with a good moment.
That looked like an average game to me and I have no reason to be biased. If it was a good game, then there would not have been so much critique towards his performance prior to his assist.Honestly if you watch that video and don't see he actually had a good game you have lost your impartialness. I'm not stretching beyond that but he did a lot of useful stuff and definitely put the ball into zlatan inside the box as well as setting up chances for team mates and creating chances well.
The poor period at the start of last season has left a lot of people too far gone the other way, you won't be able to see him as playing okay or good until he scores 8 hatricks in 8 games.
If that was an excellent performance, than your expectation of him has to be at the level of 'being able to stand upright'1:36
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Excellent game for the captain!
Does anyone have a similar video for Zlatan? I know he had a bad game, but I'd like to compare.
If that was an excellent performance, than your expectation of him has to be at the level of 'being able to stand upright'
That looked like an average game to me and I have no reason to be biased. If it was a good game, then there would not have been so much critique towards his performance prior to his assist.
It's a shame that it's now acceptable to have a disappointing 90mins and mask it with 10 seconds of brilliance. The standards in this place is dropping at an alarming rate. Rooney has been poor to below average in the last games against B'Mouth, Soton and Hull with very little signs of improvement. If this is what we are going to be working with when the league kicks in proper, we are in trouble.
It's a shame that it's now acceptable to have a disappointing 90mins and mask it with 10 seconds of brilliance. The standards in this place is dropping at an alarming rate. Rooney has been poor to below average in the last games against B'Mouth, Soton and Hull with very little signs of improvement. If this is what we are going to be working with when the league kicks in proper, we are in trouble.
When someone has an excellent performance, it doesn't become relative. If the whole team is poor, you can't now say because someone was slightly less poor, he had an excellent game.Find a video from someone else in our team vs Hull, and compare the highlights. Zlatan and Pogba did not create that much and they lost the ball often. So it depends what you are comparing it to. Compared to all other players, Rooney had an excellent game.
Rashford won the game and every other player contributed in their own way to the win! That was a poor performance from Rooney and one pass should not mask that. If every player played that way consistently, we have no hope IMO!Yeah we should play players who don't win us the game instead.
Rashford won the game and every other player contributed in their own way to the win! That was a poor performance from Rooney and one pass should not mask that. If every player played that way consistently, we have no hope IMO!
You really don't get it do you? Zlatan hasn't been playing below standard for us for majority of the past 18 months.
This argument is as bad as the "why don't you criticize Martial" argument.
Anyway, I think Rooney raised his game in the second half. I thought he was very good.
I have not criticized him for the Hull game. If people are frustrated with Rooney and not with Zlatan or Martial, it's because Rooney has been below par for longer.So, what you believe is that vs Hull, Rooney was our best player. And there is no need to criticize the other players.
I agree with you!
When someone has an excellent performance, it doesn't become relative. If the whole team is poor, you can't now say because someone was slightly less poor, he had an excellent game.
I have not criticized him for the Hull game. If people are frustrated with Rooney and not with Zlatan or Martial, it's because Rooney has been below par for longer.
And Rooney wasn't our best player on Saturday. All our defenders and Fellaini had better games imo.
One moment doesn't mean a player had an excellent game ffs. And it doesn't matter how you spin it, a player being better than the other on his team doesn't mean he's had an excellent game either.Of course you can. Especially if that game was won because of Rooney. It is still 3 VERY important points, away, in rain, in injury time. It's great!
And you hope that the *other* players will play better in the next game.
(If Zlatan had made that goal, we'd all be talking about how great a player he is!...)
That's your opinion.But it is not that. People are saying that before the goal Rooney was "piss poor". This is obviously a lie. Rooney was perhaps our best player vs Hull, plus he gave us the 3 points.
No he wasn't. Mkhi and rashford did more in 20 minutes than Rooney did. Luckily for Wayne he remembered how to run with the ball and made a goof assist this time - fair enough. We need that every game though, 4/5 times a match. Not just once.But it is not that. People are saying that before the goal Rooney was "piss poor". This is obviously a lie. Rooney was perhaps our best player vs Hull, plus he gave us the 3 points.
No he wasn't. Mkhi and rashford did more in 20 minutes than Rooney did. Luckily for Wayne he remembered how to run with the ball and made a goof assist this time - fair enough. We need that every game though, 4/5 times a match. Not just once.
If he can get the ball behind midfields, dribble with it towards defence and get a pass or shot away then great. If he drops into midfield thinking he's got 10 minutes to do what he wants and gets tackled 3 times in 20 seconds, then no that isn't good enough.
The assist was good but unsurprisingly it was when he was given space. I fear that's the only way he can do anything these days, he needs time which isn't afforded.
No he wasn't. Mkhi and rashford did more in 20 minutes than Rooney did. Luckily for Wayne he remembered how to run with the ball and made a goof assist this time - fair enough. We need that every game though, 4/5 times a match. Not just once.
Sure mate. Sure!Rashford didn't win us the game, Rooney did. The difficult part of the goal was clearly the assist. Watch the video posted above, how anyone can come out of that saying he was poor is just daft.
Sure mate. Sure!
I have not criticized him for the Hull game. If people are frustrated with Rooney and not with Zlatan or Martial, it's because Rooney has been below par for longer.
And Rooney wasn't our best player on Saturday. All our defenders and Fellaini had better games imo.
I said for him to get the ball and drive at the defence, not get 5 assists. The fact is 5 goal scoring chances in 90 minutes really isn't unachievable is it?. A player of his calibre should be doing that.Well that's nonsense as Rooney won us the game and Mkhi actually did nothing to change the result. Yes he looked sharp but he didn't affect the outcome. You want a forward to put it on a plate with an assist 5 times a match? so amongst our front line we get 20 goals a match? It's not a bad idea like.
He had a shot cleared off the line and another couple of okayish efforts and he got the ball in to dangerous areas many times.
It was when he made space. Nobody gave him the space, he went and got it, that's how football works, see space, go play in it.
Yes I know mkhi's end product wasn't there, but he was taking the game by the neck and driving us forward. He popped up everywhere and dribbled/passed really well. If he has 90 minutes and plays like that I have no doubt he will get goals/assists all day long.
I said for him to get the ball and drive at the defence, not get 5 assists. The fact is 5 goal scoring chances in 90 minutes really isn't unachievable is it?. A player of his calibre should be doing that.
That was the first "proper" assist he's made for a long time that I can remember. If he has to be in the team
Then hopefully he does more of that.
Yes I know mkhi's end product wasn't there, but he was taking the game by the neck and driving us forward. He popped up everywhere and dribbled/passed really well. If he has 90 minutes and plays like that I have no doubt he will get goals/assists all day long.
Rooney deserves to start next game no doubt. I've not even criticized his performance against Hull. All I said was that he definitely wasn't excellent. I thought he was poor in the first half like all our attackers. Raised his game in the second half and had a very good last 20 minutes.People were frustrated with him because he wasn't scoring or assisting goals. Surely now they should be less frustrated?
Rooney wasn't the only attacker vs Hull. There was zlatan martial mata Pogba from the start, mkhitariyan since 60th min and Rashford since 71st. Shaw and Valencia too could maybe be included. None of them had that extra bit of magic to break the deadlock except Rooney. So yes Rooney deserves to start the next game. And I'm no 'Rooney apologist' or whatever and in fact I'll be surprised if he is still at the club after the record is broken.
If he had passed it to Pogba the complaint would be he doesn't attempt the difficult pass and opts for useless safer ones.
Fortunately, I think this is no longer the case. I think Mourinho will pick him purely on form. And that's why I've lost the motivation to bother about his performances.So let's put things into context in the Hull game.
Pogba and Fellani were 'controlling' the midfield (bar the counter attacks), which of course were down to player ability but imo was mostly because Hull let us.
So there wasn't much support needed from Rooney in the defensive sense.
The runners/attackers in the game came from a poor Martial and Mata, who both to fair were not 'bad' on the ball but off the ball movement and penetration was non-existent.
The width came from effective but one-dimensional plays from the full backs i.e overlaps and crosses. Then there's Zlatan, our target man, who was wasteful at times with the ball and his touch was off but do consider he was in and around a very crowded box and didn't really get any service (of easy chances).
Looking at that Rooney individual performance highlights, obviously that video has been edited with only the good/decent things he's done because I remember the game quite differently.
So that establishes the context of the game, the responsibilities of players and how each other's performances affected each other.
Martial, Mata, Zlatan and to an extent (from an attacking sense) Pogba were below average.
Rooney? The same as above so he was below average (that assist doesn't cover it up) imo. However, you need to realise Rooney was basically our 3rd midfielder (with little defensive responsibility) and occupied most of the creative space and opportunity.
Every ball that goes to his feet means he needs to be interchanging with players to create triangles and pull the opposition out of play. Or he should be picking up the ball and creating penetration with his touch, dribbling ability or incisive passes/goals. Of course every no 10 plays differently and can be effective in his own little way and in different team systems.
Up until that assist what was Rooney's contribution? One good run in behind, one scuffed shot from the penalty box and a good cross. Otherwise it was pedestrian passes to feet and very ordinary movement in the third half of the pitch.
Look around every top on the this league alone, is that acceptable for you? Erikksen, Payet, Ozil, Sanchez, Mane, Countinho, Silva, De Bruyne, Oscar, Tadic, Barkley just from this league. Those players play in different systems and of course have their fair share of bad games but their form/touch and ability doesn't flucuate as wildy and poorly as our captain; they also regularly create chances and provide movement for their team mates to move into.
That's why Rooney gets criticism. It's a sustained level of below average/average performances in positions that are absolutely vital to the whole attacking style of play for Utd.
Martial, Mata and Zlatan should 'fear' for their places as we have players in the squad to replace them/switch it up. But you damn sure know Rooney doesn't need to fear for his place despite what he does. That's the criticism.
So let's put things into context in the Hull game.
Pogba and Fellani were 'controlling' the midfield (bar the counter attacks), which of course were down to player ability but imo was mostly because Hull let us.
So there wasn't much support needed from Rooney in the defensive sense.
The runners/attackers in the game came from a poor Martial and Mata, who both to fair were not 'bad' on the ball but off the ball movement and penetration was non-existent.
The width came from effective but one-dimensional plays from the full backs i.e overlaps and crosses. Then there's Zlatan, our target man, who was wasteful at times with the ball and his touch was off but do consider he was in and around a very crowded box and didn't really get any service (of easy chances).
Looking at that Rooney individual performance highlights, obviously that video has been edited with only the good/decent things he's done because I remember the game quite differently.
So that establishes the context of the game, the responsibilities of players and how each other's performances affected each other.
Martial, Mata, Zlatan and to an extent (from an attacking sense) Pogba were below average.
Rooney? The same as above so he was below average (that assist doesn't cover it up) imo. However, you need to realise Rooney was basically our 3rd midfielder (with little defensive responsibility) and occupied most of the creative space and opportunity.
Every ball that goes to his feet means he needs to be interchanging with players to create triangles and pull the opposition out of play. Or he should be picking up the ball and creating penetration with his touch, dribbling ability or incisive passes/goals. Of course every no 10 plays differently and can be effective in his own little way and in different team systems.
Up until that assist what was Rooney's contribution? One good run in behind, one scuffed shot from the penalty box and a good cross. Otherwise it was pedestrian passes to feet and very ordinary movement in the third half of the pitch.
Look around every top on the this league alone, is that acceptable for you? Erikksen, Payet, Ozil, Sanchez, Mane, Countinho, Silva, De Bruyne, Oscar, Tadic, Barkley just from this league. Those players play in different systems and of course have their fair share of bad games but their form/touch and ability doesn't flucuate as wildy and poorly as our captain; they also regularly create chances and provide movement for their team mates to move into.
That's why Rooney gets criticism. It's a sustained level of below average/average performances in positions that are absolutely vital to the whole attacking style of play for Utd.
Martial, Mata and Zlatan should 'fear' for their places as we have players in the squad to replace them/switch it up. But you damn sure know Rooney doesn't need to fear for his place despite what he does. That's the criticism.
Martial, Mata and Zlatan should 'fear' for their places as we have players in the squad to replace them/switch it up. But you damn sure know Rooney doesn't need to fear for his place despite what he does. That's the criticism.
So let's put things into context in the Hull game.
Pogba and Fellani were 'controlling' the midfield (bar the counter attacks), which of course were down to player ability but imo was mostly because Hull let us.
So there wasn't much support needed from Rooney in the defensive sense.
The runners/attackers in the game came from a poor Martial and Mata, who both to fair were not 'bad' on the ball but off the ball movement and penetration was non-existent.
The width came from effective but one-dimensional plays from the full backs i.e overlaps and crosses. Then there's Zlatan, our target man, who was wasteful at times with the ball and his touch was off but do consider he was in and around a very crowded box and didn't really get any service (of easy chances).
Looking at that Rooney individual performance highlights, obviously that video has been edited with only the good/decent things he's done because I remember the game quite differently.
So that establishes the context of the game, the responsibilities of players and how each other's performances affected each other.
Martial, Mata, Zlatan and to an extent (from an attacking sense) Pogba were below average.
Rooney? The same as above so he was below average (that assist doesn't cover it up) imo. However, you need to realise Rooney was basically our 3rd midfielder (with little defensive responsibility) and occupied most of the creative space and opportunity.
Every ball that goes to his feet means he needs to be interchanging with players to create triangles and pull the opposition out of play. Or he should be picking up the ball and creating penetration with his touch, dribbling ability or incisive passes/goals. Of course every no 10 plays differently and can be effective in his own little way and in different team systems.
Up until that assist what was Rooney's contribution? One good run in behind, one scuffed shot from the penalty box and a good cross. Otherwise it was pedestrian passes to feet and very ordinary movement in the third half of the pitch.
Look around every top on the this league alone, is that acceptable for you? Erikksen, Payet, Ozil, Sanchez, Mane, Countinho, Silva, De Bruyne, Oscar, Tadic, Barkley just from this league. Those players play in different systems and of course have their fair share of bad games but their form/touch and ability doesn't flucuate as wildy and poorly as our captain; they also regularly create chances and provide movement for their team mates to move into.
That's why Rooney gets criticism. It's a sustained level of below average/average performances in positions that are absolutely vital to the whole attacking style of play for Utd.
Martial, Mata and Zlatan should 'fear' for their places as we have players in the squad to replace them/switch it up. But you damn sure know Rooney doesn't need to fear for his place despite what he does. That's the criticism.
Let's put this another way then. Without the cross to zlatan or the assist, do you think his performance across 90x3 has been enough to keep rashford or mkhitaryan out of the team?He did create 5 chances
He got a proper assist in literally the game before.
mkhi should start but so should rooney.
Let's put this another way then. Without the cross to zlatan or the assist, do you think his performance across 90x3 has been enough to keep rashford or mkhitaryan out of the team?
Let's put this another way then. Without the cross to zlatan or the assist, do you think his performance across 90x3 has been enough to keep rashford or mkhitaryan out of the team?
