Thought he was OK on Sunday, 6 out of 10, and the goal was good. Not convinced about playing the 3 goalscorers together - nice technically but a bit slow. Hard to see it working as well against a good side.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 39
- Goals
- 8
- Assists
- 10
- Yellow cards
- 8
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Wonder if someone will keep this up all season.
If you look at the passes he made in that video, it's pretty unsurprising he had such a high completion percentage. Everything was simple, he didn't attempt any through balls or 1-2's and he dropped deep to play the ball a great deal. You'd certainly hope a #10 would at least attempt to be more creative than what was displayed in that video.
There are definitely a few touches missing. I remember one where Martial tried to play a one-two on the edge of the left penalty box and maybe it was hit at him too hard/was behind him but whatever, you just knew Rooney wouldn't have done anything with it; he didn't, it came off his feet and away from goal.
As for his dive, maybe he really has taken LVG's don't shoot on first touch as gold. Remember against Spurs and Newcastle? What the actual feck?
If any of the you guys haven't yet, download the official Premierleague app especially if you play the fantasy football because it's actually really good and classy.
Anyways on the app, there's a stats section for the players and look at Rooney's bad touches.
To be fair Mata also has 4. The next after him is Shaw (expected after being so rusty) on 2 and your odd others having 1.
Mata we can 'excuse' because we know his quality even if he still deserves criticism (and being played out of position). Rooney though couped with that video?
Unforunately there doesn't seem to be the same stat on the actual website and it's done as a season overall thing:
https://www.premierleague.com/players/2064/Wayne-Rooney/stats?se=54
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Aha for comparison's sake look at Mata's individual highlights:
Constant pass and move, some incisive passing, some bad passes, got out muscled on some, got out of some with quick feet. Slow as feck but consistent good first touch.
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Those who still think he's good enough I urge to think of him as a new signing for the #10 role or imagine he is any other player in our team. He'd be dropped asap. He's a passenger some are waiting to see rediscover himself. I'd rather he do that first consistently in training before getting games.
I was actually defending and praising his performance in his testimonial the other day and got into a few disagreements with some of the other posters for being a 'fanboy'. I generally praise him when he plays well and have always admired the work rate and passion with which he plays. His attitude is spot on, however it is absolute bollocks to suggest the people criticising him 'want' to see him fail. Seeing as he is nailed on to be a starter for now, I would actually really enjoy a more convincing performance that puts my doubts to rest.
On the other hand, when he plays two games in a row doing his best impression of a drunken leprechaun, miscontrolling and failing to turn with the ball every other time he recieves it, I am going to call him out for being horse shit, as I would with anyone else who played in the same way; never mind our number 10 where such skills should be among their strongest assets. I can't believe people are willing to defend him over this performance simply and only due to his gifted goal. Even worse, some people are bringing up the fact that he has 1 goal and 1 assist in 2 competitive performances which is pretty much all they can come up with. It means absolutely nothing when you consider the circumstances under which both occurred.
His assist to Lingard was a 5 yard pass in the middle of the pitch and had nothing to do with creativity, vision or taking a risk. It was an assist, but he did not create an opportunity for a goal. Lingard did that all by himself in exceptional fashion and deserves full credit for the creation and finishing of the goal. And then his goal vs Bournemouth was the result of a miss hit shot that happened to fall to him a few metres from the goal. It was a nice finish to be fair to him, good positioning and all that, but we have enough goal scorers in the squad to not have to rely on him for this.
The main focus of a number 10 in a squad consisting of Zlatan, Martial, Mata/Mikhitaryan around him, should be to create, keep the ball moving fluidly and FORWARD for the most past, and pop up with goals when presented with the chance.Yeah, he did one of those things but he hasn't even come remotely close to creating an opportunity in the last 2 games. Just think about that for a second. Could someone please show me anywhere where he tried playing a forward pass through the middle? And no, his trademark pass to the right wing does not count.Apart from not creating, he is doing a good job of slowing down our game significantly when receiving the ball in a dangerous area. He seems to have made it a habit to turn his back to the goal in such situations and pass it either sideways or backwards almost every single time and hence why people are so infuriated by him. You can even see the frustration of the players in front of him in many of these cases if you watch close enough. His intention may indeed be to pass it forward, but by the time he controls it and wastes a couple of seconds dwindling about, the opportunity to pass forward is gone.
feck off with the 'people have an agenda' against Rooney posts. Go through my post history and you will see I clearly praise him and genuinely feel happy for him and the team when he plays well but these last two games have not been such cases. They have been the opposite and a lucky goal and a 5 yard mid pitch pass will not let me or others forget how bad he was for the rest of the games. At the end of the day people are simply calling him out for his deficiencies which are clear for all with any sense of footballing nous, to see. If he was playing striker, his performances thus far would be more acceptable but he doesn't do enough there to justify starting, as we saw last season; let alone over Ibra or even Rashford. Maybe some comments are slighlty OTT in their criticism but that is only because we have been forced to watch these dreadful performances from our most featured player, time and time again over the last 2 seasons. He has good spells indeed, but is it really acceptable for a player that starts game in, game out for a team aiming for a title to have one standout performance, every 5 or so games, if that, where the rest are simply average or way below par?
On the other hand, when he plays two games in a row doing his best impression of a drunken leprechaun, miscontrolling and failing to turn with the ball every other time he recieves it, I am going to call him out for being horse shit, as I would with anyone else who played in the same way; never mind our number 10 where such skills should be among their strongest assets. I can't believe people are willing to defend him over this performance simply and only due to his gifted goal. Even worse, some people are bringing up the fact that he has 1 goal and 1 assist in 2 competitive performances which is pretty much all they can come up with. It means absolutely nothing when you consider the circumstances under which both occurred.
His assist to Lingard was a 5 yard pass in the middle of the pitch and had nothing to do with creativity, vision or taking a risk. It was an assist, but he did not create an opportunity for a goal. Lingard did that all by himself in exceptional fashion and deserves full credit for the creation and finishing of the goal. And then his goal vs Bournemouth was the result of a miss hit shot that happened to fall to him a few metres from the goal. It was a nice finish to be fair to him, good positioning and all that, but we have enough goal scorers in the squad to not have to rely on him for this.
The main focus of a number 10 in a squad consisting of Zlatan, Martial, Mata/Mikhitaryan around him, should be to create, keep the ball moving fluidly and FORWARD for the most past, and pop up with goals when presented with the chance.Yeah, he did one of those things but he hasn't even come remotely close to creating an opportunity in the last 2 games. Just think about that for a second. Could someone please show me anywhere where he tried playing a forward pass through the middle? And no, his trademark pass to the right wing does not count.Apart from not creating, he is doing a good job of slowing down our game significantly when receiving the ball in a dangerous area. He seems to have made it a habit to turn his back to the goal in such situations and pass it either sideways or backwards almost every single time and hence why people are so infuriated by him. You can even see the frustration of the players in front of him in many of these cases if you watch close enough. His intention may indeed be to pass it forward, but by the time he controls it and wastes a couple of seconds dwindling about, the opportunity to pass forward is gone.
feck off with the 'people have an agenda' against Rooney posts. Go through my post history and you will see I clearly praise him and genuinely feel happy for him and the team when he plays well but these last two games have not been such cases. They have been the opposite and a lucky goal and a 5 yard mid pitch pass will not let me or others forget how bad he was for the rest of the games. At the end of the day people are simply calling him out for his deficiencies which are clear for all with any sense of footballing nous, to see. If he was playing striker, his performances thus far would be more acceptable but he doesn't do enough there to justify starting, as we saw last season; let alone over Ibra or even Rashford. Maybe some comments are slighlty OTT in their criticism but that is only because we have been forced to watch these dreadful performances from our most featured player, time and time again over the last 2 seasons. He has good spells indeed, but is it really acceptable for a player that starts game in, game out for a team aiming for a title to have one standout performance, every 5 or so games, if that, where the rest are simply average or way below par?
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That's missing the point...
I agree withall of this
1. JM is a smart and meticulous plotter - he knows who the weakest link is and that this same link has the greatest off-field power in England as a player due to the national team, and at the club due to the commercial side..he'll set him up slowly to be replaced while not ruffling too many feathers. Slowly, slowly he will bring in his own players who hopefully will fulfil their assigned roles. The hope is that we can keep winning enough games as this is done.
2.We have enough stars to forgo having Rooney as a must-have as he has been since Ronaldo left...that will greatly reduce his influence and at some stage it will be about his playing merits and not his commercial ones
3. He has been brilliant for us over the years but hte past 3 have been depressingly and progressively awful. He is a spent force now and there are more than a dozen players who can do what he does now, but better who are English, much less the others in the league who are better as a #10.
Good vid, thanks for the post. Bournemouth pressed really well. (They are a very well organized team in general) A couple of times he got in behind Cook/Arter with smart movement and I think that is one aspect of being a striker that fits Mourinho's description of "9, 9½ maybe 10". He's obviously not a genuine playmaking number 10 and I think the description Mourinho gave him was shrewd and very apt. He's an out and out goal scorer and that header was quite an impressive piece of skill in truth.
As we gain cohesion as a team I think that neat pass from the left channel out to the overlapping fullback will be a good weapon on the transition when it comes from deeper into the final third. It wasn't on the vid but in the buildup to the goal he comes back deep and essentially starts the move with a smart pass out to Shaw that gets the team moving forward. It is the neat work from Mata/Valencia on the transition that allows him to make a dart forward that essentially takes out both central midfielders (Cook can be forgiven for being a bit tactically naive). That was all about trusting your team mates on the transition and as we gain cohesion I think that will definitely develop a lot further. Zlatan as the focal point will be key, the guy fights like an animal for the team and that edge up front I think will allow the other attackers to flourish behind him. There weren't many times Rooney could look up an play in Zlatan or spread the ball to Mata because Mata stays inside off the ball alot allowing that open pass to Valencia.
But when we won with him, media/pundits wolud never criticise him as our weakest link. They will turn to criticise Jose if he droped Rooney to the bench (like Terry last year).
There's another option if Jose wanted to replace Rooney, he should be in transfer market, but no body wanted to pay his wages because not worth it. Jose keep playing him until a week before the deadline day, then there's a chance some media will tell a rumours of him wants to leave.
Apparently Everton is desperate for a striker if they sold Lukaku, it would be a perfect scenario for Jose when they come for Rooney.
But it's just a theory, I think Koeman is also smart enough not to come for Rooney.
I have had enough of reading this. Im going to dedicate some time over the weekend and make a video showcasing Rooney shitty pressing. He literally just stands near players. He does not "press" the player on the ball.
Nothing to prove?
Wrong, at a club like United you have to prove yourself each and every day. Prove you still have the desire ,ability and commitment to play for one one of the world's top 4 "Super Clubs".
"Nothing to prove" = complacency.
"Ability" = "Not a 10, 9 or 9.5" nuff said
Commitment = year after year he is sluggish till October, year after year he returns overweight and pics of him smoking and drinking surface.
Rooney? Wouldn't be a 9 or 10 at 16 of the 19 clubs. We are Manchester United.
Wrong, at a club like United you have to prove yourself each and every day. Prove you still have the desire ,ability and commitment to play for one one of the world's top 4 "Super Clubs".
"Nothing to prove" = complacency.
"Ability" = "Not a 10, 9 or 9.5" nuff said
Commitment = year after year he is sluggish till October, year after year he returns overweight and pics of him smoking and drinking surface.
Rooney? Wouldn't be a 9 or 10 at 16 of the 19 clubs. We are Manchester United.
That's a bit harsh.
MNF was very positive about him and even though they pointed out his positioning was rather poor for a no.10, they just couldnt find a negative thing. Even more so, they think he and Pogba would be great together
No surprise - Neville doesn't want to criticise a former teammate and someone he coached for England. Apart from the goal poaching he was rubbish.
This. Moving to a smaller club will only highlight his decline into a very bad footballer so I can understand why he clings on to his United career as every pundit and their dogs seem to think he's worth building a team around.
That post-match interview was really bad.
Who?
Wayne Rooney. He plays for Manchester United, not very popular. I'm surprised you haven't heard of him
Is Paul Parker a Red Café member? Jokes aside, Keane said the same last year after a CL game that he looks unfit
Bless you guys for the videos, even if they missed some of Rooney's bad touches. Next time his cronies come up with 'he linked up attack, 0 dispossession, 90% pass completion, Ibra/Martial was worse etc' just post a video, there's no stat they can pull up to counter that. His Leicester video would be great watch, because he was worse with no goal to pad things up
It really pains me to think he's keeping Rashford out of this team.
Knowing Rooney, after these high profile criticisms he'll probably pull his head out of his arse and play well and score this weekend, then his media and caf fans will go into a frenzy screaming he's back, feck the haters, he's proven doubters wrong etc thus buying himself a few more weeks of more turd performances before anyone has a go at him again. Like LVG whenever he was under pressure to win or get the boot
Opta's team of the week
Rooney's United's anchor, the kind that prevents a ship from moving forward.
No wonder Gary Neville failed so miserably in management. His opinions on Rooney are the sort of nonsense I'd expect a numpty like Roy Hodgson to come out with.
There are definitely a few touches missing. I remember one where Martial tried to play a one-two on the edge of the left penalty box and maybe it was hit at him too hard/was behind him but whatever, you just knew Rooney wouldn't have done anything with it; he didn't, it came off his feet and away from goal.
As for his dive, maybe he really has taken LVG's don't shoot on first touch as gold. Remember against Spurs and Newcastle? What the actual feck?
If any of the you guys haven't yet, download the official Premierleague app especially if you play the fantasy football because it's actually really good and classy.
Anyways on the app, there's a stats section for the players and look at Rooney's bad touches.
To be fair Mata also has 4. The next after him is Shaw (expected after being so rusty) on 2 and your odd others having 1.
Mata we can 'excuse' because we know his quality even if he still deserves criticism (and being played out of position). Rooney though couped with that video?
Unforunately there doesn't seem to be the same stat on the actual website and it's done as a season overall thing:
https://www.premierleague.com/players/2064/Wayne-Rooney/stats?se=54
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Aha for comparison's sake look at Mata's individual highlights:
Constant pass and move, some incisive passing, some bad passes, got out muscled on some, got out of some with quick feet. Slow as feck but consistent good first touch.
Even his dive was better.
The thing is though if Rooney was Spanish and wasn't a United player Gary wouldn't be so kind to him.
Hopefully Big Sam will have the bollocks to drop Rooney and then Jose can safely do the same without the press constantly asking him why would he drop the captain undroppable.
Completely agree with all three points.
Rooney did not had a good game, a player scoring a goal doesn't mean that he had a good game.
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I thought he had a good game, he was involved in a few of our chances, scored 1, linked up with zlaten well, his passing was efficient enough. He was not amazing or bad, but he was a threat, and what we need this season he could be important, next year is another matter. He will slowly be a transition out of the team has Pogba's influence grows and grows, but for now Mourinho is smart enough not gutting the entire set up.
I don't care why he is shit, maybe he lost his ambition, maybe he is lazy... who the fuk cares? The point is, he is shit and anyone who is defending him must be blind, there is no other explanation.
A random guy from the local pub can go in a game and put a better performance than Rooney at this rate.
And this isn't something recent, he has been absolute shit for 3 seasons now. No excuses.
A random guy from the local pub can go in a game and put a better performance than Rooney at this rate.
And this isn't something recent, he has been absolute shit for 3 seasons now. No excuses.
What game are you watching?
The attack broke down everytime he has the ball. Go tube it and prove us wrong! Show us some of his link up play
Not so sure Mata staying is such a good thing for Rooney, basically we have Miki, Mata, Rooney, and Lingard vying for two positions (+ arguably Pogba), surely that alone should be the beginning of the end for Rooney.
There is no link up play. He made me doubt so I checked and Rooney's passing map in the last third is a disgrace for a #10/second striker.
Rooney needs a few games to get at his best. It was true 10 years ago. It is true now.
He got in a few good positions, but other than the goal he really should have done better. But perhaps he needs a few matches as has been said. He has been substituted last two matches. A sign he is not fit. We shall see what happens.
But he is not going to get any special favours from Jose.
But he is not going to get any special favours from Jose.
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His best these days isn't worth risking valuable points. He is dire.
His best isn't good enough, simple as that.
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