Fair enough, I'm not as Au Fait with the thread as you guys.
We should hold a trial and burn them at the stake, god damn stinking Rooney apologists. Just like Trump voters as someone rightly pointed out a few pages ago.
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Fair enough, I'm not as Au Fait with the thread as you guys.
We should hold a trial and burn them at the stake, god damn stinking Rooney apologists. Just like Trump voters as someone rightly pointed out a few pages ago.
His post match interview annoyed me. He took his goal well but it was hardly a moment of brilliance since Martial's misshit gave him that chance on a plate. Yet despite the fact he was poor for the rest of the game and almost singlehandedly killing our attacks, he still feels he should be one of the first names on the teamsheet.
It is encouraging however that Mou has subbed him two games in a row, I suspect he's slowly phasing him out which will take full effect once we properly acclimatise Pogba and Mkhitaryan into the side. Matas making a pretty good case for himself too.
It is encouraging however that Mou has subbed him two games in a row, I suspect he's slowly phasing him out which will take full effect once we properly acclimatise Pogba and Mkhitaryan into the side. Matas making a pretty good case for himself too.
Yep. His inability to control a football was once again astounding and I don't think he contributed anything in attack minus his goal which granted, was a good finish. There was a point where he was under no pressure whatsoever and still managed to pass it to a Bournemouth player and that just about summed him up. Waste of space.
Put me in that short list too. Rooney was very good yesterday. What he lacks in pace he makes up for in energy and desire. He's everywhere and still (for me) our tallisman when it comes to grabbing a game by the short n curlies and dictating our momentum. I think the majority of the team very much still look to Rooney as the heart of the team. I think he's had a real lift from Zlatan arriving and you can see he's buzzing to prove himself. A lot of the criticism on here is unfounded imo
Also worth mentioning that you're an absolute top United supporter for caring about United more than the rest of us Rooney FC supporters.
Catch a grip.
Nice highlighting the part that suits your agenda instead of the full observation that the poster who comes in here accusing everyone else with every post is actually the biggest culprit, if he didn't keep playing that card I'd never have mentioned his agenda.
Edit* your above hyperbole regarding Rooney and Trump tells me we should probably just end this here.
I never said I was a top Untied supporter, I have been critical of tonnes of things, you are just being a prick at this point because you're obviously a Rooney fanboy and want to be aggro with someone who thinks he's a politically protected has-been that is holding the club back.
Rooney has been getting slaughtered on twitter too.Was also searching for his Leicester performance vid and all I got was a highlight vid with 'Bailly great, Rooney woefull' or something .Seems the whole world have an agenda against him, it's a conspiracy
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You like to talk about people having agendas, but only focus on the negatives people say about him, as Ive already said in this very thread I didnt think he was too bad yesterday, and actually stuck up for him r:e sideways passing, although his post match comments did irritate/
I didn't pick up on that to be honest. Like I say, I was massively critical on those points of his performance in the shield but thought he was much better yesterday.
Having said that, I am basing that on a couple of occasions whereby he received the ball on the half turn (something that should be second nature to a prem footballer) and play a simple pass.
It might be one of those performances that appeared good because your used to shit form him. So whilst better than he has been, still not good enough. Would you agree with that?
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He wasn't terrible yesterday, in the context of last season. But the problem is the team is less efficient with him in it. We already have Zlatan up top, and he's not pacey, but he's got strength and great link up ability, Rooney cannot make runs to pick up the 2nd ball Zlatan wins. He's not got the pace nor the control or first touch.
It's not the bashing brigade. It's just obvious he's more of a passenger than an asset.
It's not the bashing brigade. It's just obvious he's more of a passenger than an asset.
If this is Rooney when he is buzzing I'd hate to see him when he's feeling lethargic
Just pick a random match of the first half of last season. Now that was horrible to watch.
Is it though?
I'm pretty sure it's actually one of this motley crew;
You should check this thread after one half decent game from him and you'll see how many fans he still has here. But then it's hard to expect him to put a decent performance these days.
The fact that you think every one of those people has an agenda says more about you than about them, you just cannot accept the fact that his two performances so far (and in general lately) have been terrible and that people can't stand him on the pitch anymore because he plays probably even worse than any top player would play drunk, and not because people have an agenda.
Btw, it's a shame that picture can't show rest of the list, because coincidentally exactly after Womp in that list comes at least 5 hardcore Rooney's fans in a row(I can't believe that they are all exactly one behind eachother
) whose posts in this thread are worst than anything you could read from his haters.
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We must have been watching different players for the last few years then.
The delusion from some posters is real.
The praise for his post match comments is a pisstake. He has more to prove than most players given the crap he's been serving up for years. The difference in attitude between Rooney and Ibra is astounding.
Yesterday was nothing more than a mediocre 5/10 performance elevated to 6 at most due to the goal.
I had the match recorded and watched a few bits last night and I'm going to stick with my opinion that he was dreadful yesterday. It's almost as if his body is completely out of sinc with his legs and vice versa. He's behind nearly every passage of play by a few seconds.
Is Rooney feeling threatened by Zlatan's arrival? His interview yesterday was a bit spiky, add to that Jose's comments about the young lads looking up to Zlatan and sitting with him makes me think that Rooney might be worried about losing influence in the dressing room.
Wouldn't be surprised if some of Rooney's lap dog journos jump on any poor performances from Ibra in the coming weeks.
Wouldn't be surprised if some of Rooney's lap dog journos jump on any poor performances from Ibra in the coming weeks.
I think he's fairly good off the ball. He defends really well and chases constantly. Unfortunately, it's fairly useless having a defensive player who's meant to be playing as our attacking midfielder/number 10. He was awful on the ball yesterday.
Desperately hope Mourinho has the bollocks to drop him.
Desperately hope Mourinho has the bollocks to drop him.
Whenever journalists jump on Zlatan he usually responds by scoring a hat-trick or a worldie.
I'd say that's fair enough, yeah. Was slightly better but still woefully short of where he should be.
I think there is something in that. Zlatan and Pogba have been having a weird social media alpha male contest in the past week as well. Rooney is no longer the only big fish and his declining ability further compromises his status.
The problem for me is that he no longer has the capacity to influence the game positively in the position he's being asked to play and he's not good enough to play midfield either. He has no pace now and his first touch stands out as probably the poorest in the team.
Dropping deep to around the half way line and spraying the ball out wide to either full back a couple of times does not justify a place in a side that has Pogba and Mkhitaryan waiting to come in.
Dropping deep to around the half way line and spraying the ball out wide to either full back a couple of times does not justify a place in a side that has Pogba and Mkhitaryan waiting to come in.
Wait, someone actually made a video of his performance yesterday, probably to laugh at his performance:
Alright, the likes of @Duafc and others, please tell us what exactly he did good in yesterdays game, I looked at the video and I seriously cannot see one thing that the most average, even shit players from the premierleague wouldn't do? Also, I am pretty sure the editor removed some of his bad passes because I can remember few that are missing here, but even with that this performance is way below average.
And before we have - you can't see it on the video - brigade, he wasn't even that much involved in the game, just our 5th most involved player, and I am pretty sure Mata would be ahead of him too if he stayed as long as him. He also made no defensive contribution whatsoever, our only play who made no interceptions or clearances yesterday. Also won zero aerial duels.
Silent domination anyone?
Alright, the likes of @Duafc and others, please tell us what exactly he did good in yesterdays game, I looked at the video and I seriously cannot see one thing that the most average, even shit players from the premierleague wouldn't do? Also, I am pretty sure the editor removed some of his bad passes because I can remember few that are missing here, but even with that this performance is way below average.
And before we have - you can't see it on the video - brigade, he wasn't even that much involved in the game, just our 5th most involved player, and I am pretty sure Mata would be ahead of him too if he stayed as long as him. He also made no defensive contribution whatsoever, our only play who made no interceptions or clearances yesterday. Also won zero aerial duels.
Silent domination anyone?
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He really is the weakest link at the moment. I hope Mhiki starts playing up to his full potential soon - so we have no other option than to drop him. Unless he improves significantly himself of course but that won't happen.
Well I though he was shocking. You can't tell me stats prove otherwise... Anybody can continuously knock a ball out wide safely and have a good pass rate.
As a number #10 the idea is to create chances and be a bit risky with play, he does neither.
He lumps it to Valencia and then strolls into the box.
As a number #10 the idea is to create chances and be a bit risky with play, he does neither.
He lumps it to Valencia and then strolls into the box.
I just wish it was this summer that we signed Di Maria. Imagine him at his best in this squad.
You should check this thread after one half decent game from him and you'll see how many fans he still has here. But then it's hard to expect him to put a decent performance these days.
The fact that you think every one of those people has an agenda says more about you than about them, you just cannot accept the fact that his two performances so far (and in general lately) have been terrible and that people can't stand him on the pitch anymore because he plays probably even worse than any top player would play drunk, and not because people have an agenda.
Btw, it's a shame that picture can't show rest of the list, because coincidentally exactly after Womp in that list comes at least 5 hardcore Rooney's fans in a row(I can't believe that they are all exactly one behind eachother
I've stated after both those performances that he was poor to average and that I would play Mata or Mkhiki there instead.
But carry on making things up sure.
Yes, you have, and you carried on about the agendas people have against him. I am not sure what things did I make up?
Depressingly true that.
why is just Rooney being asked?Or do the Sky commentators also have an agenda aswellEveryone's spot is under threat every season. Why just ask Rooney, who time and time has proved himself, regardless of who he has played under? I can see why he answered in such a manager. It's a stupid question anyway, in my opinion. They should be asking players who haven't done everything in the game or for United.
He was also right about what he said about his goals. Have a a look at his record. As he said, put him in forward positions, and he'll score goals, which is a very underrated trait. He could gave had about three yesterday, which, to me, are signs that he's getting in the right areas and is threatening.
Four more to go, Wayne.
Seems like a lot of people in here would have liked us to lose and Rooney not to score yesterday.
That I can't accept the fact that blah blah.
Don't make me soundbite the podcast Amar, I know you hate it!
I have long ago accepted the fact that Rooney isn't the player he was and doesn't fit easily into our best 11. Moreso with Pogba and Mata looking good + Mkhiki. However I do still think he has worth and adds things to the team that Mata in particular doesn't, if that is his direct competition.
I just get very irritated by the totally over the top criticism he receives for every single kick of the ball or post match comment, I do think it's unfair and not just always about his performances on the pitch.
No, I don't hate it at all, I actually never listened it.
Edit: Just noticed the banner: 2 games - 1 Goal - 1 assist - 4.3 average rating
I get that hating Rooney is the vogue these days, but that is just ridiculous.
That is his rating for the Leicester game, it hasn't updated with this one yet (where his rating is 5.6)
It gives him a 5 overall rating for 2 games where he showed zero creativity, lost the ball multiple times due to a poor first touch or lack of balance or poor passing, and scored an opportunistic header. But we won both matches, so he (and everyone else -- I'm looking at you, Martial) got a bump.
This is what his apologists fail to appreciate. We have the potential to be a much stronger side without him in the side but all you get is that he wasn't that bad, no I don't give a feck if he is average, poor or shit I want someone who is consistently good, very good or great in place of him and we have players that can give us that level. In the first half we looked laboured and flat as a result of playing two slow strikers who can't get in behind and we know he is the odd one out because he is worse that Ibra in virtually every parameter bar the lofted, predictable ball out wide to Valencia. Its sad how people now translate having higher standards to hate, fwiw if we knew that, like Herrera, Carrick, Mata or anyone else, he'd be dropped for his performances there wouldn't be any outcry. There is no need for people to occupy Herrera's thread, for example, because they know that he will pay for his performances should they be substandard.
I wonder if the people claiming Rooney did well because he scored a goal are the same people who criticise, say Ronaldo for only scoring tap-ins.
In any case, Rooney needs to up his game. The quality of the squad with Ibra, Mhikitaryan and Pogba has gone up a notch or two and Rooney needs to play himself into form pretty quickly, if he can, because for the first time in a long while, there are a few players breathing down his neck.
Yesterday's game was average. The passing map shows a lot of side passes but maybe we can attribute that to him still shaking off the Van Gaal effect, who knows? Give it a couple more games.
Two things Mourinho said before: his passing is good without pressure, I think that's where Rooney flatters to deceive most of the time. The second, the ability to put the ball into the net is innate. I think Rooney still has that but unfortunately the rest of his game is deteriorating too quickly.
Saying he has nothing to prove feels more insecure than cocky. Contrast Ibra who jokes around but says that he's always going to do his best to win even at this age.
It is telling that Mourinho has subbed him both times. Some fans say it is pointless to sub him in the 86th minute. But I think this is smart of Mourinho. This is only the seed.
No doubt Rooney is the English darling with an agent that is media savvy and he has a lot of political support. It is wise for Mourinho to sub him at those times for now, because it allows people to get used to seeing Rooney being subbed.
Mourinho has already laid a subtle snare for Rooney by excluding him from all other positions. Before the season, he says a 9 or 10, definitely not a 6 or 8. Most recently when mentioning number 10's, he pauses and says Rooney.... Possibly.
He's put Rooney in a small box and forces attention on Rooney to perform that role well. If Rooney rises to the occasion, it is good for the team. If not, Mourinho can justifiably replace him. We are only starting to see Rooney give his armband away. I predict we will see more of this happening and Mourinho will sub him off with more and more minutes to spare. It will a become commonplace sight that won't spark comment or outrage.
You do not simply and callously get rid of the English media darling. You have to ease him out and let the sentiment against Rooney publicly gain momentum.
Some here will think I am nuts for thinking such complexities. But anyone that has worked with office politics long enough knows you don't make sudden moves. Well, it is what I would (try to) do anyway.
Make no mistake. Rooney has been a tremendous player for us over the years. I wish he would regain his form of old because a Rooney of the past, together with Zlatan, Pogba, Martial, Mhikitaryan would be tremendous to behold.
Sadly, I think he is a spent force. Perhaps the graceful thing would be for Mourinho to work Rooney out of the team gradually and for Rooney to beat Sir Bobby's record. It would be well-deserved and a great way for curtains down on his career at Man Utd.
In any case, Rooney needs to up his game. The quality of the squad with Ibra, Mhikitaryan and Pogba has gone up a notch or two and Rooney needs to play himself into form pretty quickly, if he can, because for the first time in a long while, there are a few players breathing down his neck.
Yesterday's game was average. The passing map shows a lot of side passes but maybe we can attribute that to him still shaking off the Van Gaal effect, who knows? Give it a couple more games.
Two things Mourinho said before: his passing is good without pressure, I think that's where Rooney flatters to deceive most of the time. The second, the ability to put the ball into the net is innate. I think Rooney still has that but unfortunately the rest of his game is deteriorating too quickly.
Saying he has nothing to prove feels more insecure than cocky. Contrast Ibra who jokes around but says that he's always going to do his best to win even at this age.
It is telling that Mourinho has subbed him both times. Some fans say it is pointless to sub him in the 86th minute. But I think this is smart of Mourinho. This is only the seed.
No doubt Rooney is the English darling with an agent that is media savvy and he has a lot of political support. It is wise for Mourinho to sub him at those times for now, because it allows people to get used to seeing Rooney being subbed.
Mourinho has already laid a subtle snare for Rooney by excluding him from all other positions. Before the season, he says a 9 or 10, definitely not a 6 or 8. Most recently when mentioning number 10's, he pauses and says Rooney.... Possibly.
He's put Rooney in a small box and forces attention on Rooney to perform that role well. If Rooney rises to the occasion, it is good for the team. If not, Mourinho can justifiably replace him. We are only starting to see Rooney give his armband away. I predict we will see more of this happening and Mourinho will sub him off with more and more minutes to spare. It will a become commonplace sight that won't spark comment or outrage.
You do not simply and callously get rid of the English media darling. You have to ease him out and let the sentiment against Rooney publicly gain momentum.
Some here will think I am nuts for thinking such complexities. But anyone that has worked with office politics long enough knows you don't make sudden moves. Well, it is what I would (try to) do anyway.
Make no mistake. Rooney has been a tremendous player for us over the years. I wish he would regain his form of old because a Rooney of the past, together with Zlatan, Pogba, Martial, Mhikitaryan would be tremendous to behold.
Sadly, I think he is a spent force. Perhaps the graceful thing would be for Mourinho to work Rooney out of the team gradually and for Rooney to beat Sir Bobby's record. It would be well-deserved and a great way for curtains down on his career at Man Utd.
I have generally been supportive of Rooney, and am in a minority that feels that he should stay. That being said, he wasn't good yesterday. His touch, creativity, nothing he did seemed to work. Herrera who was playing as a CM created more than him. The goal aside, which was a great header, he generally slowed the game down.
But, it wasn't that bad a performance that we are having 20 pages on how bad he was, and nor do his ratings for the games justify.
But, it wasn't that bad a performance that we are having 20 pages on how bad he was, and nor do his ratings for the games justify.
Sorry to disagree, but I disagree with you!
Every time he had the chance to go forward, he looks for the back pass. As does Fellaini. That is not the momentum we want to be dictating to the majority of the team. At best, he's been average. When he does something normal (like attack), suddenly he's had a great game. By his own high standards of the past, and the fact he is on £300K/week, I expect him to be having a fantastic game almost every week. You would not expect Pogba coming in now to play at Rooney's level and think that is acceptable, would you?
SAF knew what was coming. He set things up nicely for the next manager to get rid while we could recoup some value, but here we are stuck with him. We will be having this same thread next season I fear and each season until his contract is up. He will only decline, he won't suddenly get better OK. Average at best. I hope I'm wrong.
The CAF ratings are absolute bollocks. The posters in here are far too emotionally invested to be objective.
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