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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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You realise who you're asking, right?
That's exactly why I am asking.
No point asking somebody whose been saying he should be off for years, their opinion will only have intensified.
I think he only got in at the weekend because we had so many missing, now with people coming back he's out again. Has he really played at all since the Chinese rejected him? Other than Saturday.
I suspect he'll only ever make the bench now in injury crisis circumstances like at the weekend
The only thing that surprises me is that he manages to keep a straight face when he has to come up with a different excuse for not picking him every week, while everyone knows what's up.
Should say he can't play because he left his kit at home
Should say he can't play because he left his kit at home
He'll have to play in his pants and vest then!
Should say he can't play because he left his kit at home
"A raccoon came through the window and bit him in the ankle" - Mourinho 2017
Has there ever been another player where-by the manager comes out and says his injured and the first thing some fans do is reach into a bag of micro-conspiracies and throw them into real-space for attention?
Seems to me like some oddly obsessive behavior. Especially from fans who are desperate to see said player leave.
Seems to me like some oddly obsessive behavior. Especially from fans who are desperate to see said player leave.
More like protecting Southgate. If they stir shite then England NT would have to take him in every time international football resumes; so he can prove a point. Rooney made little impact playing for the club, why would they ask question about him now that they never care for this club nor about Rooney now?
They seem to be more interested in Shaw now, who got an unmerited call up to England NT.
It is clear as day now that his United career is over and he will have to go in the summer or will probably be made to train with the reserves if he stays.
What i still don't quite understand is, how does a legend of the club, who has always been in the top 3 players with most goals and assists in each of the past 5 seasons, even including this season as of today, even though he only started in 19 of our 50 matches so far, deserves such treatment from his manager and many fans alike.
How can he be considered so bad now and in recent past, while still being top 3 by contribution among 12-15 midfielders and forwards in every season?
What i still don't quite understand is, how does a legend of the club, who has always been in the top 3 players with most goals and assists in each of the past 5 seasons, even including this season as of today, even though he only started in 19 of our 50 matches so far, deserves such treatment from his manager and many fans alike.
How can he be considered so bad now and in recent past, while still being top 3 by contribution among 12-15 midfielders and forwards in every season?
For a second I thought he has a bad even to some take away.
They handed him his order and at first it bounced off him, after several seconds of trying to get it under control he then lobbed it slowly to his right. He's been doing that several times a week for the past three or four years, so now the Chinese have banned him.For a second I thought he has a bad even to some take away.
They didn't give him the chance to adapt to his new positioning in the restaurant.
The only thing that surprises me is that he manages to keep a straight face when he has to come up with a different excuse for not picking him every week, while everyone knows what's up.
It would be pretty funny if the excuses become more outlandish by the end of the season. ''Wayne can't be selected today because he was playing Resident Evil 7 in VR mode late last night and is now too terrified to leave his house''
''Wayne got bitten on the finger by a radioactive squirrel and the doctor advised bed rest.''
''Wayne has been injured in training for the 74th time in 6 years by Phil Jones''-this one actually probably isn't far from the truth.
He decided he wanted to be head chef but the owner told him go back to being a delivery boy.
As stated many times, this seasons stats as an example, dont tell anything like the whole story.
A minimum of 6 of those assists were either lucky, or so simple as to not be an "achievement". I'd argue that he has recieved incredibly favourable treatment too, a minimum of 2 years(i'd say nearer 4!) of poor form and he's only just now paying the price for that.
Because he's a club legend he can last 4 years. If it's ronaldo he'd have been booed off and sold to sunderland for peanuts
He's definitely finished. I refuse to believe he's injured that much aswell. Think Mourinho just doesn't fancy him and rightly so. Besides that wonder free kick against Stoke, he's been shite.
Is this a WUM. Has to be?
I sometimes come away from games wondering if I was in a bit of a daze. I didn't even realise we'd hit the bar twice, and was thinking it said it all that Rooney wasn't brought on.
Just checked the bench and he wasn't on it. Whoops.
At least one of the crossbars was the far end!
About Rooney though, are we just going to play it that's he's "injured" and "Ill" to play the rest of the season out. Can't constantly be one or the other surely
Just checked the bench and he wasn't on it. Whoops.
At least one of the crossbars was the far end!
About Rooney though, are we just going to play it that's he's "injured" and "Ill" to play the rest of the season out. Can't constantly be one or the other surely
I agree that stats don't tell the whole story, but what does tell the whole story?
Stats over a reasonably long period are the only thing that we can use to compare performance or contribution of players objectively. Other than that what we have are opinions filtered through our bias towards the players. If we dislike a certain player, the good things he does are quickly brushed off our minds, while his mistakes will be amplified and stick in our heads, especially if we are expecting to see those mistakes.
Many fans will quickly forget, for example, mistakes made by our golden boy Rashford, Mkhi or Mata. But the same mistakes made by Rooney or Fellaini will most probably ignite the anger about how shit they are.
Yes, we know that many of his assists can be dismissed as "not real", but wouldn't we also dismiss some made by the other players too?
My point is, even after "adjustments for false assists", he still has no less direct involvement in our goals than most of our other forwards and midfielders, especially considering that he played less games than most. Only Shaw, Darmian, Young and TFM in the current squad have started fewer games than him. So I just don't understand the disfavor by Jose and resentment of many fans towards him.
Aside from fact in numbers, besides balls tumbling off his feet, balls dispossed from him, wayward passes, holywood passes to Valencia, etc., I also saw his off the ball runs to open up space in opposition defense, the many chances he created, and the sheer determination in his game. In my eyes he was never missing from the pitch as some have been at times. I can't say those things about many of our other players in the squad.
It's not what you meant, but that's part of the problem. He spent years making mistakes that never once got him dropped or subbed. You say others have gotten more favourable views compared to Rooney, except those others all get dropped when they weren't playing well. This is the first season the same rule is being applied to Rooney and here you asking why isn't he being given special treatment?
The others might all play badly at times, but they aren't going to be poor 95% of the time like Rooney is. He's a player in his 30's that's spent the majority of the last 4 years playing badly and getting steadily worse. A player that publicly tried to destabilise the club and two managers to get what he wanted. A player that announced he wanted to leave on the night of a Champions League match. He had already burned any good will he had with a lot of people and then compounded it by quite frankly not being a good enough player to match the ambitions of the club. When the club weren't "matching his ambitions" he wasn't pulling any punches with his public announcement before a match. Now he doesn't match ours, why in the hell should he be given any sort of preferential treatment? He asked to be judged on a much harsher scale than Rashford or Mata, then utterly failed to live up to that. Plus one is a teenager finding his feet in the game and will always be given time/forgiven mistakes. You kind of lose that privilege when you demand Messi/Ronaldo money then fail to deliver for four years.
He's been shit and there's just no denying it, we've all watched him. Claiming he's somehow hard done by now is naive. Even England won't pick him.
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More to the point, he's not willing to put in the hard graft to change his play & so prolong his United career...unless you count 'watching videos of Scholes' as graft.
Only a Sith deals with absolutes.
Is there any news about when his ankles will be better?
Depends on the fitness of our bench players.
He's waiting to see if Ibra, Rashford, Martial and Lingard all remain fit for the remainder of the week
When I said that I don't understand the disfavor by Jose towards him, I didn't mean to suggest that he should be given special treatment or should have been played more than most of his team mates, regardless of performance.
Actually, I was thinking more about future games, as I said earlier that it is clear as day that his career is over, considering the strange fresh injury that he had and the 15 minutes given to him even when Zlatan, Mata, Pogba and Herera were not available.
We all want what's best for the club, we're just different in our views on the set of players that will contribute the most for the club. While I believe that he offers more than some of the other players that are currently more favored by Jose, not in a million years that I would want him to be preferred to the others if I also think that he had been worse than all the others like you seemed to believe.
As to the claim that he has been shit in the past four years, do you mean that as relative to the other players (most other players had been better), or along with the rest of the team?
If you meant that the team hasn't been good enough and most of our players including him had been shit in the last four years, then I can understand and won't disagree with that.
However, if you single him out as one of the worst in the team which includes the likes of Kagawa, Welbeck, Cleverley, Janujaz, Falcao, and Memphis, then I have to disagree. For my support, I can refer you to stats of goals and assist of the past seasons in espnfc website, the player ranking stats of the past seasons in squawka website, and the comments easily found on the net about Rooney in recent years by the likes of Guardiola, LVG, Ancelotti, Messi, Xavi, Zlatan, Jose himself and many others.
That should be enough to prove that he has been one of our best players in the past seasons, or at least that the shitness of Rooney is a matter of opinion that we can differ, rather than fact that must be accepted by all. It's just plain arrogant to suggest the latter.
He has both performed poorly along with the rest of the team and at times been our worst player. All those other players got dropped or moved on, Rooney got given carte blanch to keep performing at a subpar level and has gotten worse. What did Cleverly, Kagawa or Welbeck do that was so wrong?
I can give you quotes from Pele that say Colombia are going to win the World Cup or Gerrard claiming Joe Cole is as good as Messi. Everyone was saying Gerrard was still great in his last season when you could clearly see he wasn't. You can give quotes from the man that's dropped him? Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about footballers quotes? How many times did we see him play poorly then get told he was great by the pundits? How many times did we see commentators go weirdly quiet when he couldn't control the ball or needlessly gave it away? You can get all the stats you want, but we've all seen how he's been playing for the past 4 years.
What makes you think there's disfavour towards him from Mourinho? When he's been given minutes on the pitch he's not done enough to earn more minutes and he's been repeatedly injured or ill, allegedly. What more do you expect Mourinho to do really? He played him until his form dictated he had to be dropped, it's not his fault Rooney can't get himself back into the team and he's not been completely frozen out.
Alright Mate, your points are well taken, it's been a good discussion.
You asked me what more do I expect from Jose. I have only one wish from him, that is for just one game, to leave out the kids, and give us again an attacking line up of Zlatan, Rooney, Mkhi and Mata.
He had given us that starting line up twice before, in 4-0 win over Feyenord, and 2-0 win over Zorya. One more game with that line up, and I'll ask nothing more from him.
It's amazing that in this day and age they are still people who think Rooney will magically roll back the years and give great perfomances.
And equally sad too.
Perhaps if there is nothing on it he'll get wheeled out for the last prem game, but there must be chance he'll not play for us again at this point, really hope his exit plan is mapped out already, and things don't get messy this summer.
I don't expect it to get messy but i believe he will insist on the club giving him some money.
I said soon after the incident that there would be fallout from Rooney conceding that stupid foul when we were in our last attack of the game.
It's what Mourinho does as much as anything else. He's clearly finished with Rooney so an incident like that is just the sort of thing he grasps hold of and uses to his benefit.
It's the conniving side of Mourinho that a lot of people hate him for, it's hard to get annoyed in this circumstance though.
Fair enough, I wouldn't expect any less from Rooney, I just want it to be done quickly so we can draw a line under it once and for all.
Mourinho has been too smart for that from the beginning. "I will never ask Rooney to leave, this is his home and he is welcome here as long as he likes". He's calling his bluff, Rooney knows there will be signings in the summer and he will go from 4/5th choice to 6/7th choice. He has to move if he wants games and if he wants to move he has to make that decision. If he requests the move or instigates it, the club have no duty to pay up his contract.
IF Stretford plays hardball about it I think Mourinho and Woodward will tell Rooney to play with the reserves for a year if he is so desperate to receive the rest of his contract.
I cannot imagine the club allowing it to reach that stage. That would be incredibly bad PR, forcing your record scorer to the reserves.
I think a lot of negotiations are probably already going on.
I must say, I no longer buy this injury bullshit.
Great post, agree completely, especially the bolded bit.
Would it?
"Wayne is more interested in getting a big payout than finding another club to continue his career"
I don't think that would reflect badly on the club at all and I think Mourinho would be more than happy to say it.
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