Jose has shown , numerous time, that he will hang players out to dry when they stick around for the wages etc.
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Jose has shown , numerous time, that he will hang players out to dry when they stick around for the wages etc.
Mourinho has already out played him there. He's made it clear it's up to Rooney to leave and if he chooses to stay and play in the reserves then it's his own decision. He has no obligation to play him just because he won't go and he has seemingly cut off his media backing.
I'm not saying Mourinho should play him...God no. i'm saying the club will do everything in its power to avoid the Schweinsteiger fiasco. Even if it means paying him off. It won't look good for anyone otherwise.
“Unavailable”, not “injured”. Not looking good.
Oops, I didn't mean that's what you're implying, I mean he won't be able to get his media buddies to kick up much of a campaign for him to play. Everyone knows he's finished, he was given the option to leave and find football but he chose to stay for the money, not Mourinho's fault. That will be the PR narrative we can push. He chose to stay and play in the reserves.
It looks as if it's the end for Rooney at Manchester United. But I still hope that he still has the will and ability to play at a high level for another club. Hope for the best and it'll be interesting to see which clubs will be interested in him this summer. PL - if I had to guess, maybe Everton, West Ham or Newcastle, Brighton if they get up to the PL? Think the Serie A would suit him the best, but I'm not sure if he'd settle there.
I'm surprised that no Turkish club has been linked with him. They can afford high wages and Rooney isn't forgotten yet marketing wise - at least I hope so. So why not replace Podolski who I think will play in Japan? Otherwise it's MLS. Don't think he'll want to move to China.
I'm surprised that no Turkish club has been linked with him. They can afford high wages and Rooney isn't forgotten yet marketing wise - at least I hope so. So why not replace Podolski who I think will play in Japan? Otherwise it's MLS. Don't think he'll want to move to China.
The guy has featured 3 times since the January Transfer window closed. Clearly trying to engineer a move away in January however for whatever reasons the move didnt not materialize. Unhappy at not playing for his club, the excuses have ranged from illness, to groin, to ankles, to unavailable.
Clearly past his best and Utd must act ruthless and cut his ties with the club
Clearly past his best and Utd must act ruthless and cut his ties with the club
Or the club wanted to sell him to China for 30m and Rooney wasn't keen. So he's getting the cold shoulder.
What exactly did you expect him to do?
He is not Messi, Neymar, Suarez or even Ibra.
He is Rooney. An old man, who can barely make the bench. Most of the time he is ill or injured and when he does play, he does very little, due to his age and lack of ability.
I do find it very strange that since he has been made a fringe player, he is barely available to play games. He doesn't even make the bench in most games. He is constantly either ill or injured.
Mourinho's comment makes me think he's not injured. "Rooney is unavailable and Young is injured". The feck does that mean?
Colleen won't let him out?
If the last game of the season at home to Palace is meaningless, which is looking likely, I imagine Rooney will start that game as a farewell. Other than that I can't see him playing much. He's not good enough to start games anymore and he's always been a terrible substitute to bring on so there's not much he can do.
Without doubt his best days are now far behind him. Its another player at the end of his career. But be damned if I will gloat over his demise. His fall from grace has been sad to watch. You don't become highest scorer for Utd by being shite. Makes me laugh to think that some posting on this forum think that Rashford will eclipse him. Not whilst he's got a hole in his backside. At 19 I'd have picked Rooney over Rashford or Martial any day of the week.
Trouble is even the best fall off of a cliff at some stage. So for me, like for so many Utd greats in the past, its thanks for the memories Wayne and all the best in the future. You gave me much pleasure when you were in your prime.
Trouble is even the best fall off of a cliff at some stage. So for me, like for so many Utd greats in the past, its thanks for the memories Wayne and all the best in the future. You gave me much pleasure when you were in your prime.
No need for the laughter, I just think it is pointless bringing him into games unless we're really playing downhill, on the spin and a goal is coming but we really struggle to even create huge pressure chances relentlessly. So bringing him into these already messy affairs and thinking that he'll influence in a meaningful way is a bit of a stretch. He's always been a more passive provider rather than a game changer.
It is probably better to just start him if he's going to play, give him a 60 minute quota and let him do his thing and then bring him off.
We have very few game changing players on the bench, a lot of them seem to be more passive system players.
Mourinho has played a blinder with this situation. It was pretty grim stuff at the start of the season, Rooney was still getting games despite enough evidence he wasn't up to it.
But Mourinho gave him every chance .. or enough rope .. (I think Northampton was the beginning of the end) and now we can see the net result, he takes no part. We've avoided any backstage revolt. His omittance is based on merit. How Mourinho has phrased it is strange, we can all see why he isn't included so why not just say it?
A shame we have lost a few points because of the salutation in the early days of the season, but Rooney got his record and he did make a difference in a couple of games (e.g. Stoke). In the long term this will work put for the best.
But Mourinho gave him every chance .. or enough rope .. (I think Northampton was the beginning of the end) and now we can see the net result, he takes no part. We've avoided any backstage revolt. His omittance is based on merit. How Mourinho has phrased it is strange, we can all see why he isn't included so why not just say it?
A shame we have lost a few points because of the salutation in the early days of the season, but Rooney got his record and he did make a difference in a couple of games (e.g. Stoke). In the long term this will work put for the best.
I don't like Rooney and think he's been surplus to requirements for some time now.
However, the manner in which he's taken his fairly meteoric fall from the limelight has been nice to see. It's basically become a non point, and he's obviously accepted what we all knew, that he wasn't good enough for the top level anymore. You don't hewr him moaning about it and when he is on the pitch it's clear he still gives a feck and does what he can. His whole attitude in recent months is the reason the media hasn't had any narrative whatsoever to run with a huge story about his demise.
However, the manner in which he's taken his fairly meteoric fall from the limelight has been nice to see. It's basically become a non point, and he's obviously accepted what we all knew, that he wasn't good enough for the top level anymore. You don't hewr him moaning about it and when he is on the pitch it's clear he still gives a feck and does what he can. His whole attitude in recent months is the reason the media hasn't had any narrative whatsoever to run with a huge story about his demise.
Excellent post, I completely agree.
Jose couldn't just drop Rooney from day 1. He had to phase him out over time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ney-fearful-Man-United-career-fizzle-out.html
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...manchester-united-transfer-news-live-12881842
I know it's the Daily Mail but seems to be the growing acceptance that Wayne is finished here and will almost certainly be moving on in the summer. Also mentioned in the MEN's daily updates.
I think Jose has managed a very tricky situation superbly and we are right to be moving Rooney on in the summer. At the same time though I've loved watching Rooney play for us and I will be a bit gutted seeing him call it a day here. Fantastic servant for us and in my mind a United great.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...manchester-united-transfer-news-live-12881842
I know it's the Daily Mail but seems to be the growing acceptance that Wayne is finished here and will almost certainly be moving on in the summer. Also mentioned in the MEN's daily updates.
I think Jose has managed a very tricky situation superbly and we are right to be moving Rooney on in the summer. At the same time though I've loved watching Rooney play for us and I will be a bit gutted seeing him call it a day here. Fantastic servant for us and in my mind a United great.
Not travelling even though he's training. Bet he's angry anc confused.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ster-United-train-ahead-Anderlecht-clash.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ster-United-train-ahead-Anderlecht-clash.html
Jose gave Rooney enough rope to hang himself with at the start of the season, and after it became apparent Rooney really isn't good enough, he's been phased out of the team. It's good management, as Jose would have undoubtedly received a lot of grief if he had got rid of Rooney straight away.
Just hope Rooney isn't motivated by money and he is willing to reduce his wages to move elsewhere.
Just hope Rooney isn't motivated by money and he is willing to reduce his wages to move elsewhere.
I think he's being underused tbh.
His experience and drive could be useful in seeing games out.
His experience and drive could be useful in seeing games out.
Maybe, just maybe, Wayne has come to the realisation that he is no longer up to scratch. A sad time in any top professional's career. The money I know softens the blow but still...
What drive?
The only drive he's got left is in front of his house
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The only drive he's got let is in front of his house
Even that's been tarmacked by the Travelling Community
Just ask @The Black Pearl
You mean like when we are just breaking for our last counter attack of the game and he grabs a player and throws him to the floor completely unnecessarily and right in front of the referee only to halt the counter attack and give a free kick the other way?
Yeah he's such a credit to us.
Again left out. I can understand him not playing being as he has bad ankles cough cough
However for the captain to not even travel to support the team in our biggest game of the season has more relevance.
Regarding his drive. The only drive I see him doing these days is the drive thru to McDonalds
However for the captain to not even travel to support the team in our biggest game of the season has more relevance.
Regarding his drive. The only drive I see him doing these days is the drive thru to McDonalds
He's not travelled to any away game he hasn't been in the squad for so far this season and he's not attended a lot of the home games he's been left out for. It's definitely a weird situation.
He is ill, mate. And has knock in both ankles.
I'd be pretty ill if I knocked back the cans he blatantly does.
He's not injured and not picked. As a captain, that's an insult. It's like both player and club are counting the days. I have no issue with him not attending to support the team if he doesn't feel like it.
So for you the captain should always be involved. If he isn't then he has every right to show no interest?
I guess he means that Rooney probably feels insulted
I understand what you're saying, Its a weird situation. I've never seen a team where the captain is almost a nonentity. If his heart isn't in it, there's no point pretending. We don't even know if Mourinho would prefer he did not go.
Yeah if he's just turning up because he has to and it's just a token gesture it could do more harm than good.
Do other players attend home and away games if they are injured or suspended?
During Ibrahimovic's recent suspension i don't remember seeing him in the stands.
He is dead. Leave him alone. What else do you want anyone to do? He said he is not happy with fitness meaning he voluntarily doesn't want to play anymore. Why is this thread still so active?
He is captain in name only now, in fairness.
As mentioned the club, and Rooney, are merely bidding their time until summer. What I do like is that Jose is showing Rooney that should he decide to stay for the £ then he will literally not even start 10 games next season, if that.
As mentioned the club, and Rooney, are merely bidding their time until summer. What I do like is that Jose is showing Rooney that should he decide to stay for the £ then he will literally not even start 10 games next season, if that.
He might as well get 100%, as there's absolutely no point in him being in the squad if he's "Playing through things".
We may well need bodies to get the league games seen off if it does come down to Europa or bust.
Odds on he'll start the Palace game if it's all done by then.
And that's fair enough, and i'd like to see a big reception.
Forget the Carrick stroll around. This would be his last game
We may well need bodies to get the league games seen off if it does come down to Europa or bust.
Odds on he'll start the Palace game if it's all done by then.
And that's fair enough, and i'd like to see a big reception.
Forget the Carrick stroll around. This would be his last game
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