The player you'd want on the end of those chances is Pogba.
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The player you'd want on the end of those chances is Pogba.
Perhaps the increased competition for places will improve him?
As far as Rooney stinkers go, he really wasn't that bad.
possibly. With higher calibre players his inconsistency might be highlighted even more. Lots of attacks break down with him
Yeah they do at the moment and it is frustrating. But he still has quality to offer and as you say, with better players around him then he should have a little more time on the ball and be able to create more. Zlatan and Rooney need to stop playing in each others space.
Seriously, how many poor performances has he put on the last two or three seasons?
I swear at least every other performance he's played has been poor, not as in underwhelming but as in shite. And still he's automatic first choice.
He must have a real stranglehold on that dressing room hierarchy is my guess. I hope José sort it out and phases him our sooner rather than later. Would love Mkhitaryan there with Lingard and Martial out wide, or even Zlatan with Rashford up front.
I swear at least every other performance he's played has been poor, not as in underwhelming but as in shite. And still he's automatic first choice.
He must have a real stranglehold on that dressing room hierarchy is my guess. I hope José sort it out and phases him our sooner rather than later. Would love Mkhitaryan there with Lingard and Martial out wide, or even Zlatan with Rashford up front.
Yeah I remember. I think I asked the question because it was already clear to me (and others) that this wasn't a question of form. So was interested how many more months of poor performances it would take to convince others of the same.
If we look at the two camps in this thread we only differ slightly. The contention is only was he decent or poor. That's his bracket now. We never have to argue about him being excellent or world class anymore.
The other explanation is that he's better than internet experts think he is. Rooney is still loved by matchgoers and, evidently, by managers.
How are you a full member with only 31 posts and no likes?
Also, no, Rooney is done for. We should have fecked him off years ago.
Internet experts? You mean fans who've been watching him week in week out for years?
I'd take that opinion over an incoming manager whose probably only seen a handful of games over the last few years.
Not sure how you know the general opinion of matchgoers either. Not booing doesn't equal appreciation.
The only thing that would improve him is if he invents a time machine and goes back to 2010.
That doesn't make sense.
Who was right, the thousands of fans who've watched Rooney consistently over years or LvG? A guy paid millions with a huge reputation. Who hasn't watched Rooney every week.
Hes only in the team cos of the turnover of managers weve had since Fergie left. If Fergie had one more season, Rooney wouldnt be a United player. Unfortunately he still is and is still seen as a starter (especially as captain).
He got a great wage increase despite him declining, he got his testimonial, it really is now time for him to become a bench player at most.
The problem is that hes seen as a 10 and cos of that, we are playing 4231 instead of a 433 which may suit us even more. I think a 433 would suit Martial, Mkhit and Zlatan more. As well as our midfield once Pogba comes in (Him being the top of the three rather than deeper).
He got a great wage increase despite him declining, he got his testimonial, it really is now time for him to become a bench player at most.
The problem is that hes seen as a 10 and cos of that, we are playing 4231 instead of a 433 which may suit us even more. I think a 433 would suit Martial, Mkhit and Zlatan more. As well as our midfield once Pogba comes in (Him being the top of the three rather than deeper).
Yeah, it's just as black and white as that, you're right.
Do you have an article which I can read on this?
Privileges. To be fair my post count is rather poor.How are you a full member with only 31 posts and no likes?
Also, no, Rooney is done for. We should have fecked him off years ago.
This isn't voodoo mythology, its still football and if he was being judged on the same standard as the rest the reserves would be too high a level for him. Don't delude yourself into thinking that there is some hidden intrinsic value he brings to the team when he earned our last two managers the P45, Mourinho is his hattrick ball and the way he has started sucking him off from where LVG left off doesn't bode well for his long term prospects because you can't surely spend £160m on new signings, proceed to sabotage the team by placing a millstone on its neck and expect to stay in a job. If Mourinho chooses Rooney over the team then Woodward should start looking at managers because we'd be needing one come May 2017.
He's loved by fans that only watch a Handful of United games a season and in one or two of them he scored a screamer. Anyone that rarely misses a game will tell you that Rooney has been more of a hindrance to the team then anything else.
I think with Rooney, it just makes too much sense that this will be his last year here. Jose has bought two major threats to his position in Mkhitaryan and Pogba, and whichever formation he chooses they both perform their best in a lineup that in an ideal world doesn't have Wayne Rooney in it.
Why? Ffs look at my username, I love this guy.
You mean the same matchgoers who were applauding LVG when feeding us soul destroying football? What managers? Hodgson, Moyes and LVG? They've all been sacked for being poor, their 'love' for Rooney being one of their weaknesses.You Rooney fans come up with weird stuff all the time, apparently the matchgoers see something we don't see on TV, are we in The Matrix?
Normally find the Rooney criticism over the top on here but today he was such an obvious weak link. Needs to step it up with Lingard doing well and Mkhitaryan just getting started with us.
That's generous tbh.
Even though Zlatan is almost 35, his touch, dribbling, and vision are different class, and you can see he`s a special player. Then you have Rooney on the 300k a week for the last few years, and he is absolutely terrible, its something to do with the English bias, he never ever gets critiscised in the media or from anybody.Hes been absymal for 3 years straight, I remember last season the majority of the people were hoping he`d be injured or red carded, so he wouldnt be an automatic starter.
SAF was the master of knowing when to let players go, and he was letting Rooney go, but Moyes being moyes gave him wha was probably the highest wages in the whole league for a player who wasnt even in the top 10 best players in the league from that season
The funny thing is, he`ll score a goal, and everyone will be "Rooney is back" "That`ll be good for his confidence now he`ll bang them in", but as the last 3 seasons have shown he should be a bench player, and should be on max 100k a week for his level of performances(even thats too much for a nothing player, but that football these days)
SAF was the master of knowing when to let players go, and he was letting Rooney go, but Moyes being moyes gave him wha was probably the highest wages in the whole league for a player who wasnt even in the top 10 best players in the league from that season
The funny thing is, he`ll score a goal, and everyone will be "Rooney is back" "That`ll be good for his confidence now he`ll bang them in", but as the last 3 seasons have shown he should be a bench player, and should be on max 100k a week for his level of performances(even thats too much for a nothing player, but that football these days)
Actually think why get rid of him, just makes our squad even more awesome. I think Rooney will rise to the challenge....
He looks fat. Clearly he doesn't look after himself over Summer.
Cause he's shite and our highest paid player, while offering little to nothing the other players in our squad can't, but instead being a liability. Not to add merely having him on the pitch means we have to play tactics that don't allow our more talented players to flourish.
I've just been thinking about his physical state. Just thinking back to when he was 18 into his early twenties, he was actually a relatively slim, athletic build and he was so bloody fast. For instance, that goal he scored against France in Euro 2004(okay yes I know he was young, but he hasn't maintained that physique) he had some serious pace back then.
The difference between him and somebody like Cristiano is that Ronnie has taken care of his body to ensure he doesn't decline as quickly and hasn't lost as much pace as he's gotten older. His physique is probably perfect for a footballer.
I'd be interested to know how much wayne weighs and Ronaldo too.
Muscle weighs more than fat lol, Ronaldo probably weighs more as he is also taller no longer lol.
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It was really a terrible performance.
His first touch is just amazingly bad, like it is almost hard to believe.
Are any of the papers talking about Rooney or is it the usual "I can't see it. Didn't happen."
In the last two years I've been weighing up whether I have been blessed that I've been missing a lot of games live and having to re-watch a match back after knowing the result and in my own time. It has been a positive in that it has allowed me to slow down and watch more intently and with more focus. On the downside I really miss the emotional connection to a live football experience. So having said that, I apply it to this thread and Rooney as a player.
I read a load of the emotionally charged responses that are dripping with hyperbole and excessive negativity and I went into watching the game from yesterday thinking he was going to be having an absolute stinker, literally not even being able to control a single ball. Then I see just a pretty regular run of the mill rusty performance with players all over the place misplacing passes and showing poor touch, even Ibra, Martial and Lingard in the first half. Sometimes I just don't know how people see what they see. It has to be an overly-emotional trigger based hyperbolic response mechanism that comes from being excessively emotionally attached to supporting United.
I've been trying to understand it for a few years and I really don't. Not the levels and extent that I genuinely believe that people use this as an emotional dumping ground for attention. At the end of the day he's just a footballer who plays football like every other player in our team he has ups and downs.
Did this happen?
We need to find one for Villa away last season too. The ugliest performance of a professional footballer that has been seen in recent times.
It amazes me that people still think he's our best player. Look at Zlatan, Mata, Pogba etc and you'll see they're in a completely different class ability wise. The way they control the ball, touch the ball, pass the ball, it's a completely different class to Rooney.
So it begs the question as to why he's still getting paid 300k a week to play like absolute rubbish? I'm more confident with Fellaini in the number 10 these days. At least he wrecks havoc in the box.
So it begs the question as to why he's still getting paid 300k a week to play like absolute rubbish? I'm more confident with Fellaini in the number 10 these days. At least he wrecks havoc in the box.
Yes, the reactions are emotionally triggered of course. That is a given with a live football match. You tend to get more affected when you see a good run break down because of one player's heavy first touch or bad pass. When it happens couple of times in the same match, one tends to focus on that player more.
Coming to Rooney, he has been the face of the club for some years now. Marketed nicely by the club and by himself. Papers tend to associate Man Utd with Rooney a lot more than maybe with other players. And on top of it he earns the heftiest package in the team. With so many things going for him, obviously people would focus more on him. And that means small mistakes by him will be emphasized, while other players escape the same level of scrutiny.
There's someone I chat to at the gym about football, English Spurs fan. This morning he was telling me Ibrahimovic didn't convince him as he did nothing apart from the goal and he's not proven in our league and that Rooney "will come good as he's a quality player who can play with anyone". That's the sort of mentality people have because of the free-pass Rooney gets in the press in this country. Anyone that doesn't watch him every game could easily be under the impression hes still our best player.
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