Apparently the Captain of Manchester United doesn't have to set the tone for the team anymore. As long as he is better than one player, that is awesome. Am I getting it right?
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Anyone suggested we try him in goal yet? At this rate we're running out of positions to play him in.
He wasn't bad on saturday but my god am I tired the team having to accomodate Rooney. Never disliked him but he's just not very good anymore.
He wasn't bad on saturday but my god am I tired the team having to accomodate Rooney. Never disliked him but he's just not very good anymore.
Give him a break. He's pretty occupied being the manager of England at the moment.
great post. captures my feelings precisely.
It's really weird to see the vitriol in this thread. People won't even concede that he had a decent performance and hope that this is a start of a consistent run of form where he can contribute to our success.
Every point is being answered by "300k in wages" which is pretty bizarre. Did he put a gun to Woodwards head? No, he did not. The club payed him that money to retain a big name and also enjoy the global profile that comes with it so DON'T equate it solely with his performances on the pitch. We all know what the situation is so of-course the expectations from him have been toned down. Also, nowhere is it written that he has to justify his high wages every week. Is Martial justifying his high transfer fees every single match?
If folks here can't even appreciate the passion shown by our captain in a match where the best players (and supposed saviors) lost their shite against our city rivals as well as title competitors they you may as well announce that you hate Rooney come what may and want to see him gone rather than masquerade your unconditional criticism as an objective analysis of the situation.
Every point is being answered by "300k in wages" which is pretty bizarre. Did he put a gun to Woodwards head? No, he did not. The club payed him that money to retain a big name and also enjoy the global profile that comes with it so DON'T equate it solely with his performances on the pitch. We all know what the situation is so of-course the expectations from him have been toned down. Also, nowhere is it written that he has to justify his high wages every week. Is Martial justifying his high transfer fees every single match?
If folks here can't even appreciate the passion shown by our captain in a match where the best players (and supposed saviors) lost their shite against our city rivals as well as title competitors they you may as well announce that you hate Rooney come what may and want to see him gone rather than masquerade your unconditional criticism as an objective analysis of the situation.
I think you're playing to the crowd a bit here. There are five or six posters who'll applaud your post but very little of it is true.
Every point isn't answered by his wages, it's bizarre to claim so. The vast majority of the posts here are balanced and we'll explained, even if you don't agree.
The posters in here who defend Rooney are in other threads criticising other players. For example Zlatan is receiving criticism from some of Rooneys biggest defenders.Please spare us the victim complex.
Does he even have to be better than someone? Someone else being as bad seems to be justification enough.
Have you even read the thread? Vast majority are not balanced and that's what irks me the most. Most people like, "Ok, he was decent. Still needs to be dropped etc."
Of course he is not at the standard that we have come to expect from a Manchester United 9 or 10 but God does he get judged by a different yardstick. Why is is so hard to say that he was decent today and hopefully his form will pick up rather than ranting about his performances since the last few years and the number on his paycheck?
he's judged by a different yardstick as has been afforded undroppable status for 2 years, and many deem his performances generally don't deserve it. Critics and pundits are slowly coming round to it. Could you name me any other united players who announce in the media what positions they feel like changing to without consulting their own manager?
The general gripes are he is slow, predictable and sometimes clumsy. We've paid £90m for a midfielder and early concensus is we don't utilize him properly having to play certain players
I guess you haven't seen the other comment's that praise him like a football god then? There were posters suggesting that he was an 8/10 at the Euros. Let that one sink in!
It is a telling sign of how terrible he has been over the last 2-3 years that no club has tried to buy Rooney since Chelsea. Why don't RM, Barcelona, PSG, Juventus, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, City, etc come in for him, if he is such a great player? If we could sell or give Rooney away to one of our direct rivals, they would be weakened by him.
True, when was the last time he was linked with someone?
Reason?, he's shite.
I really do think if he plays in 80% of the games at #10 we wont make top 4.
Statistically he was poor (I also watched it and thought he was crap, stats back up that point)
25/31 passes.
3/16 crosses (consider our aerial advantage)
2/3 tackles
0 blocks
0 interceptions
0/2 aerial duals
4 fouls committed
0 fouls drawn
1 shot
0 on target
I think you need to revise "playing well" and judge Rooney by something other than his own standards. The Charlie Adam comparisons flying around at the minute are so on point.
I agree we wont make top 4 with him as #10, but also if we play him as a #9 or as a midfielder, we will be affected. We would be less affected with him in ine of the wings, but there are still better players than him for those positions.
So you conceded most said he was decent(actually I think most said average) and that's what you call "vitriol?"
Like I said you're misrepresenting what most posters are saying. The majority of posts aren't about his wage and asking for a player to be dropped isn't vitriol in any way.
From memory, here are some things Rooney did vs City:
- Needlessly lost the ball leading up to City's first goal, albeit high up the pitch.
- Bollocked Mhiki for the goal.
- Forced out to the wing to make room for a (theoretically) better player.
- Too slow to react to Bravo's error.
- Fouled Bravo for revenge, losing the ground gained from pressure on their back line.
- Risked a red card in fouling Bravo.
- Continued to put in unthreatening floated free kicks as if the first goal wasn't a fluke. No plan B.
And some say he's an excellent crosser of the ball
I wouldn't be surprised if his buy-out clause is ridiculously high.
Why would he have a buy-out clause?
United have never put them in players contracts.
Really? Didn't know that. Well in any case I imagine that at the time the club would have valued him as close to or above £80m.
We not got anyone better for corners? His FK's and corners seemed to be floated in harmlessly nowadays too.
The lads burnt out, he's played so much football over the past 15 years, it doesn't surprise me.
The lads burnt out, he's played so much football over the past 15 years, it doesn't surprise me.
Didn't De Gea have one?
Like £10m? He really has stopped being an asset for the club some time ago.
No way would it be that low, if there was one, don't forget the contract was agreed in 2013/14 when his stock was much higher and he wasn't noticeably bad.
I think in Moyes' eyes he was simply priceless. Now considering his age, wages, contract time and general state of him we would bite off Chinese man's hand offering £10m for his services.
Nah i seriously doubt it, the only place that i know of that was reporting that was AS.
If i remember correctly at the time the fees being touted were £40-50m. Don't think we would have demanded a world record fee for Rooney at 27.
He had some good crosses and passes and deserves credit for that, the one Ibrahimovic headed straight at the keeper for example.
How anyone can watch De Bruyne, Mane, Coutinho, Eriksen, Alexis Sanchez, David Silva, etc and still think Rooney plays well is the most depressing thing about this thread.
The standards here have fallen so deep that Jacques Cousteau would struggle to find it. Rooney is easily the worst number-10 in the top 8 teams in the Premier League and this has been obvious since SAF retired.
His consistent poor performance is even half the story, trying to accommodate him and denying the better technicians in the role Rooney plays is the clog in our wheels. He's been an excellent servant to the club but it's time to move on.
The standards here have fallen so deep that Jacques Cousteau would struggle to find it. Rooney is easily the worst number-10 in the top 8 teams in the Premier League and this has been obvious since SAF retired.
His consistent poor performance is even half the story, trying to accommodate him and denying the better technicians in the role Rooney plays is the clog in our wheels. He's been an excellent servant to the club but it's time to move on.
Rooney's fault our lads couldn't win the ball. Bin him.
Surely this comment is enough to justify not taking anything you take in this thread seriously anymore.
Yet again though Sammy, he doesn't "deserve credit" for something that any average prefessional can do. That should be something he is doing every game no matter how good or bad he is. The fact we are picking 1 tiny cross out of 90 minutes to praise him on is exactly the issue. I want a hatful of chances and good passes made that I can't remember them.
You watch Barcelona and see how many chances MSN make for eachother, is that really so much to ask for our attacking line to be creative for eachother?
There's a common theme in the last few years why our attack has been stagnant, and unfortunately it starts with Wayne.
I agree with you, and I expect more from Wayne myself, one of the first posters here tk start criticizing him. But sometimes when you judge an individual match, it's necessary to relevate a performance to others. Our team played poor as a whole, but in most of the little dangers we had, Rooney was involved. For that alone he deserves some credit, not saying he was excellent in general, but he did make some things happen which is okay, but ofcourse we should expect much more of our players.
Of course he was, he's playing as a 10! the excuse that "Rooney was involved" is redundant, he's the player the team are looking to pass the ball too to create.
The fact he's invisible apart from 3/4 moments in a half is exactly why I want him dropped. If Rooney from 6 years ago played in this team he would be creating Havoc.
More or less said the same a few pages earlier
Exactly
How's that saying go, jack of all trades, master of none.
I wonder if Buyern, Barca, Madrids etc tried to lure him away the last few seasons but we refused their £75m bids because he's not for sale or is it that he's shit and everyone other than a few muppets on here don't want him
Exactly
But even when he played right wing, he did have some good moments and considerinf the context of this particular game, that was decent of him. Dont get me wrong, cause I want him dropped as much like the next guy, but whenever he does good things in terms of output or actually an okay performance, I think it's fair to give him credit for that specifically. But in general ofcourse we need a better player to be playing there.
Apparently he's not been included in the 20 man squad going Feyenoord, I suppose we'll see how we do without him tomorrow.
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