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Wonder why he didn't go for the long ball to Rashford in this situation



That clip highlights Rooney's and Valencia's shortcomings so perfectly.

Rooney should pass to Rashford, or at least Fellaini (who then frees Rashford in one touch), instead he predictably plays the 'wide pass to Valencia'...

Valencia should pull it straight back to Rooney in one touch, who's now free in the box, but instead predictably thwacks it at the opponent.

Watching this clip genuinely annoys me.
 
The funny thing is that Rooney has said the only position he is not comfortable playing is wide right. He said he didn't know why, but he couldn't play there, so guess what, let's try him there as well.

He needs to move on. It's that simple.

I don't disagree. I am not saying he his a right winger. All I am saying is that I think he is least detrimental to the team if he is played right wing.
 
Rooney still has special moments in games, my problem is he hurts the rythum of the team with poor decisions, miss placed passes when a player of his profile should be doing these things in his sleep. Rooneys profile should be one where he should walk into any top side. Not sure he should be starting in any top 5 prem tbh.
 
You do know I agree with you, right? I wanted him gone four years ago, at the very least.
Yeah I know, I was just more going on a rant than anything else. It really erks me how protected he is, seems we will do anything possible to have him in the team no matter if he's good or bad.

I don't disagree. I am not saying he his a right winger. All I am saying is that I think he is least detrimental to the team if he is played right wing.
He's least detrimental on the bench! he's either got to play as a 9,10 or nothing. If he's not performing in the 10 then bench him. Being shifted around the team is not helping us at all. No other top class team in the world would pander to 1 player like we are, it's pathetic.
 
I don't disagree. I am not saying he his a right winger. All I am saying is that I think he is least detrimental to the team if he is played right wing.

The part, least detrimental should be the focus point here though. In no capacity should a 300k pr week player be played in the least detrimental position. He should be played in his best position if he performs or not at all. I never thought he was a good enough ten - not even when he was raking up the numbers simply because he isn't agile enough or has a good enough first touch. As a winger, he is much, much too slow without the necessary finesse to get away with it. Mata is slow as feck, but he is agile and nippy as well as being great at passing the ball short and quickly. Rooney doesn't have any of those attributes, nor can he create space for himself like Beckham did, nor does he have the pace of Valencia.
 
Rooney still has special moments in games, my problem is he hurts the rythum of the team with poor decisions, miss placed passes when a player of his profile should be doing these things in his sleep. Rooneys profile should be one where he should walk into any top side. Not sure he should be starting in any top 5 prem tbh.
I honestly don't think any fans of City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, and Liverpool would want him, even if we were giving him away. I was reading a Rooney thread on a Sunderland forum after England had played Slovakia, and even those lot could see how poor he's become. He shouldn't be anywhere near the United team.
 
I honestly don't think any fans of City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, and Liverpool would want him, even if we were giving him away. I was reading a Rooney thread on a Sunderland forum after England had played Slovakia, and even those lot could see how poor he's become. He shouldn't be anywhere near the United team.

Like I've wrote eslewhere, you don't drop those high profile players in big clubs that easy but Jose is the perfect manager who's never been fearful of doing so. The problem is who's his natural successor? This is not only on the pitch but off it, like in the dressing room. There are massive commercial implications too....
 
Yeah I know, I was just more going on a rant than anything else. It really erks me how protected he is, seems we will do anything possible to have him in the team no matter if he's good or bad.


He's least detrimental on the bench! he's either got to play as a 9,10 or nothing. If he's not performing in the 10 then bench him. Being shifted around the team is not helping us at all. No other top class team in the world would pander to 1 player like we are, it's pathetic.

I agree. He needs dropping.
 
The part, least detrimental should be the focus point here though. In no capacity should a 300k pr week player be played in the least detrimental position. He should be played in his best position if he performs or not at all. I never thought he was a good enough ten - not even when he was raking up the numbers simply because he isn't agile enough or has a good enough first touch. As a winger, he is much, much too slow without the necessary finesse to get away with it. Mata is slow as feck, but he is agile and nippy as well as being great at passing the ball short and quickly. Rooney doesn't have any of those attributes, nor can he create space for himself like Beckham did, nor does he have the pace of Valencia.

I agree.

I am not arguing he should be in the side. Just saying if he is......he is best off being "out of the way" and as we don't have a proper right winger then if he has to play, it might as well be there.

Its not even a divided opinion any longer. I don't know a united fan or indeed a football fan who believes he warrants his place in our team. Its absolutely staggering.

I genuinely think Jose is / will phase him out but I think its going to be a slow process.
 
I'm one of his biggest critics but he was good against City, nothing great but nothing terrible either.

That being said, I still think we need to adopt a 3 man midfield because it compliments all our best players and Rooney just isn't good enough to warrant handicapping them anymore.
We looked much more fluid and capable when we brought Herrera on.

I agree on the latter, but i would not say he was "good" vs City. In fact, only a handful of players put in a decent performance on Saturday. That being said, Rooney has been better this season than last year, but i still feel like some other players (Herrera, Schneiderlin etc) deserve a extended run in MF as well.

Rooney in CM is never going to work and hes not a winger either, which kind of forces him into the #10 role as long as we only play one striker. Then again, what about good old 442? Has it fallen completely out of favor?
 
Pogba was far better in that game than Rooney. If Pogba isn't playing well than Rooney has been awful.

Outside of the Southampton game Rooney has been better. That game Pogba really showed he's basically playing a different sport how superior he was.
 
I'm basing it on the mourinho era, as everyone should. Rooney was also our top scorer for two of those three seasons.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
You could make a whack-a-mole game on a formation sheet, as to where he pops up next, to keep him in the team.
Truth is, he keeps out a better player, wherever he plays.
 
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
You could make a whack-a-mole game on a formation sheet, as to where he pops up next, to keep him in the team.
Truth is, he keeps out a better player, wherever he plays.

well he plays at number ten and keeps out mata. that is fine
 
I honestly don't think any fans of City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, and Liverpool would want him, even if we were giving him away. I was reading a Rooney thread on a Sunderland forum after England had played Slovakia, and even those lot could see how poor he's become. He shouldn't be anywhere near the United team.

What do you mean think? Of course they bloody wouldn't want him! :lol:
 
MNF football has just summed up the Rooney situation in 2 quick opinions;

Phil Neville: "Rooney for me has to play, there is a flexibility with Rooney that means he starts off in the middle, but is equally capable either side"

Jamie carragher: MUFC have better options in all positions Rooney wants to play"

2 massively different opinions. You decide.
 
MNF football has just summed up the Rooney situation in 2 quick opinions;

Phil Neville: "Rooney for me has to play, there is a flexibility with Rooney that means he starts off in the middle, but is equally capable either side"

Jamie carragher: MUFC have better options in all positions Rooney wants to play"

2 massively different opinions. You decide.

Flexibility is a euphemism for not good enough. We have better midfielders. We have better wingers. We have better forwards. Why play him?
 
I'm sure that if Mou fails Rooney fans will blame him for Rooney's unimpressive performances and will want another chance for Rooney under the next manager.The fact that all managers who have made him a central figure in their teams over the last 4 years have failed won't bother them a bit.
 
MNF football has just summed up the Rooney situation in 2 quick opinions;

Phil Neville: "Rooney for me has to play, there is a flexibility with Rooney that means he starts off in the middle, but is equally capable either side"

Jamie carragher: MUFC have better options in all positions Rooney wants to play"

2 massively different opinions. You decide.
Carragher is spot on. We need to stop shoehorning Rooney into our starting 11 we have better options.
 
There's definitely a protective code ex players or team mates seem to abide to to. They know what it's like to be a pro, to be declining, to have a short career and trying to wring every ounce from it.


What's more, could you imagine working with someone for 5 or 6 years and then having to publicly criticise their working, knowing it could effect their situation? You've then got to socialise and network professionally with their good mates.


It's why ex players should have a limited role as far as punditry goes and they should try to unearth new, knowledgeable personalities like Top Gear does.
 
MNF football has just summed up the Rooney situation in 2 quick opinions;

Phil Neville: "Rooney for me has to play, there is a flexibility with Rooney that means he starts off in the middle, but is equally capable either side"

Jamie carragher: MUFC have better options in all positions Rooney wants to play"

2 massively different opinions. You decide.
At least somebody has the balls to say it. We're seeing people come out here and there and say that Rooney shouldn't start and it'll only grow this season. He just gets in the way. Even if he puts in a great performance, it's still kind of getting in the way of others and not letting us play as well as we could. Basically, we can be a good, solid team under Mourinho and will probably challenge for the title, but we won't be a truly top team until he's dropped. That's all we need I think. Let him be a squad player, but he shouldn't be starting.
 
Phil Neville made a career from being average but flexible.

...wait a minute - Phil Neville?
 
MNF football has just summed up the Rooney situation in 2 quick opinions;

Phil Neville: "Rooney for me has to play, there is a flexibility with Rooney that means he starts off in the middle, but is equally capable either side"

Jamie carragher: MUFC have better options in all positions Rooney wants to play"

2 massively different opinions. You decide.
sure the last thing carragher said was Rooney was poor in the derby, surprised he actually said that
 
Flexibility is a euphemism for not good enough. We have better midfielders. We have better wingers. We have better forwards. Why play him?

How's that saying go, jack of all trades, master of none.

I wonder if Buyern, Barca, Madrids etc tried to lure him away the last few seasons but we refused their £75m bids because he's not for sale or is it that he's shit and everyone other than a few muppets on here don't want him :lol:
 
How's that saying go, jack of all trades, master of none.

I wonder if Buyern, Barca, Madrids etc tried to lure him away the last few seasons but we refused their £75m bids because he's not for sale or is it that he's shit and everyone other than a few muppets on here don't want him :lol:

"John O' Shea can play in every position. Unfortunately, he plays in them all like John O' Shea".

Flexibility is a good trait in a squad player or substitute as it makes him good for injury cover. It's not that good for a starter unless he can play well and it's been a while since he's played well imo.
 
MNF football has just summed up the Rooney situation in 2 quick opinions;

Phil Neville: "Rooney for me has to play, there is a flexibility with Rooney that means he starts off in the middle, but is equally capable either side"

Jamie carragher: MUFC have better options in all positions Rooney wants to play"

2 massively different opinions. You decide.
Phil Nevill isn't making sense. Rooney has to play because he's flexible. Look at how he suggests he can play either side. Wishing the space of 12 months,different pundits have suggested he should play, up front, No.10, midfield and out wide. I'm tired of this shite. Carragher is bang on.
 
Phil Nevill isn't making sense. Rooney has to play because he's flexible. Look at how he suggests he can play either side. Wishing the space of 12 months,different pundits have suggested he should play, up front, No.10, midfield and out wide. I'm tired of this shite. Carragher is bang on.
They aren't even waiting for him to be terrible for months in one position before championing another any more, they are pushing for him to constantly be moved because even they realise how ridiculous this has gotten.
 
MNF football has just summed up the Rooney situation in 2 quick opinions;

Phil Neville: "Rooney for me has to play, there is a flexibility with Rooney that means he starts off in the middle, but is equally capable either side"

Jamie carragher: MUFC have better options in all positions Rooney wants to play"

2 massively different opinions. You decide.
Wow, Carragher has to be the first English pundit/analyst on live TV to ever call out Rooney. You 100% certain he said that?
 
Wow, Carragher has to be the first English pundit/analyst on live TV to ever call out Rooney. You 100% certain he said that?
said Rooney under pressure getting in the united side now, more than the England side because of the quality options. It was mainly about how poor and ill disciplined Pogba was (its bad!) and basically come to the conclusion Pogba and the side need to play 4 3 3, which means Rooney in trouble
 
Wow, Carragher has to be the first English pundit/analyst on live TV to ever call out Rooney. You 100% certain he said that?
Souness did a couple of weeks ago. Keane has on a number of occasions. I'm sure there are a few others.
 
Wow, Carragher has to be the first English pundit/analyst on live TV to ever call out Rooney. You 100% certain he said that?
They took his passport off him immediately after.
 
Just because there were worse players than Rooney doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized. Rooney was okay at best against City and I think that's about his ceiling now. He needs dropped. I don't think we can afford to play both him and Ibra constantly like we have been.
 
Wow, Carragher has to be the first English pundit/analyst on live TV to ever call out Rooney. You 100% certain he said that?
Yep those were his exact words. He also said "it'll be easier to get into the England team" and a few other remarks, but the main thing was he clearly stated he thinks rooneys future as a first choice player is under threat.
 
MNF football has just summed up the Rooney situation in 2 quick opinions;

Phil Neville: "Rooney for me has to play, there is a flexibility with Rooney that means he starts off in the middle, but is equally capable either side"

Jamie carragher: MUFC have better options in all positions Rooney wants to play"

2 massively different opinions. You decide.
Oh feck me, when will this end...
Souness did a couple of weeks ago. Keane has on a number of occasions. I'm sure there are a few others.
Shearer and Redknapp too. If Shearer criticises you and you still play for England, you really are fecked. I reckon Redknapp only changed his tune because it's starting to affect England now.

Danny Murphy thinks he's been great for a few seasons though.
 
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MNF football has just summed up the Rooney situation in 2 quick opinions;

Phil Neville: "Rooney for me has to play, there is a flexibility with Rooney that means he starts off in the middle, but is equally capable either side"

Jamie carragher: MUFC have better options in all positions Rooney wants to play"


2 massively different opinions. You decide.

Good man. I hate to like a Liverpool fan so much but seriously it needed to be said. I am glad he gave his true opinion.
 
Here is the video if people missed it

 
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