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Still can't get over Phil's "he has to play cause he's flexible" comments. Is he wumming?
 
The guy will start for us the coming 2 years, might as well stick behind him and squeeze everything he has within him for the sake of our team. And if he leaves and we go from playing with 10 men to 11 men, we're going to be better than anyone. Playing with 10 men week in and out is some serious training.
 
Sammyjunn said:
The guy will start for us the coming 2 years, might as well stick behind him and squeeze everything he has within him for the sake of our team. And if he leaves and we go from playing with 10 men to 11 men, we're going to be better than anyone. Playing with 10 men week in and out is some serious training.
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It's weird, he used to sacrifice a lot of his game for the sake of the team around 07-09. Now we have to sacrifice the team just to accommodate him in the line up.
 
It seems some in the media have ran out of excuses switching Rooney between a #10, a striker, and a midfielder, and have now thrown in 'out wide' as their next throw of the dice.
 
He's just a 3-4 week injury away from not seeing the starting line up again, him out will finally let us see what we've got, but sadly it does seem it will take an injury to force the issue.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Probably blow the redcafe hivemind but Rooney played well against City. Arguably the only player in our starting XI you can say that about.
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Nah we're not allowed to say he played well since being "not as bad as the others" is not good enough or something of that sort. No point trying to come in and say anything half positive about Rooney in here. You'll be shot down.
 
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Probably blow the redcafe hivemind but Rooney played well against City. Arguably the only player in our starting XI you can say that about.
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What if we compare his performance to Kevin De Bruyne who was essentially his opposite in terms of role in City's team. Do you not reckon we should be expecting a performance closer to that or the ''does enough to get by'' performances that Wayne regularly serves up? the Rooney of a few years back won us these games, and now he mostly does enough to warrant another start, just as someone at Everton would. He's judged at a completely different level to every single other player in our team.
 
Shark said:
What if we compare his performance to Kevin De Bruyne who was essentially his opposite in terms of role in City's team. Do you not reckon we should be expecting a performance closer to that or the ''does enough to get by'' performances that Wayne regularly serves up? the Rooney of a few years back won us these games, and now he mostly does enough to warrant another start, just as someone at Everton would. He's judged at a completely different level to every single other player in our team.
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Well that would be fecking stupid, wouldn't it? What with football being a team game and De Bruyne's performance made easy by the massive gaps between the lines our tactics and lack of discipline gave him to exploit.

Much easier to stick with the "it's all Rooney's fault cos he's shit, innit?" than try and analyse what actually happened, where he was one of very few United players who stood up to be counted (from our starting XI, only him and Luke Shaw did themselves justice. Maybe Bailly too) in a game where we were overrun almost exclusively due to issues beyond his control.

Which isn't to say he's been good in every game this season. He hasn't. But the refusal of so many people to judge individual performances, game by game, is bizarre.
 
wr8_utd said:
Nah we're not allowed to say he played well since being "not as bad as the others" is not good enough or something of that sort. No point trying to come in and say anything half positive about Rooney in here. You'll be shot down.
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Whats Carragher's angle then, is he a member on here too?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Well that would be fecking stupid, wouldn't it? What with football being a team game and De Bruyne's performance made easy by the massive gaps between the lines our tactics and lack of discipline gave him to exploit.

Much easier to stick with the "it's all Rooney's fault cos he's shit, innit?" than try and analyse what actually happened, where he was one of very few United players who stood up to be counted (from our starting XI, only him and Luke Shaw did themselves justice. Maybe Bailly too) in a game where we were overrun almost exclusively due to issues beyond his control.

Which isn't to say he's been good in every game this season. He hasn't. But the refusal of so many people to judge individual performances, game by game, is bizarre.
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You've got your opinion and we have ours. Rooney has never lacked work rate, although it isn't at the level it was when be was younger you can't doubt he tries.

fact is though he just doesn't bring enough quality to the team anymore. He pops up with little bits of the old spark that make you think yeah that wasn't bad, but it's nowhere near as regular as it should be.

Obviously people's opinions differ massively to what is a good performance, some people think crossing a few accurate balls into the box is enough. I personally want all of that and much much more. A number 10 for United should have everything. He doesn't anymore.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Probably blow the redcafe hivemind but Rooney played well against City. Arguably the only player in our starting XI you can say that about.
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Valencia and Bailly were comfortably better. Fellaini was better too.
 
He should be on the bench and soon. I hope Jose sees that cause if not we have a big problem.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Well that would be fecking stupid, wouldn't it? What with football being a team game and De Bruyne's performance made easy by the massive gaps between the lines our tactics and lack of discipline gave him to exploit.
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At the end of the day, he's there to do the same job as KdB and the gulf between the two was fecking enormous!

Ban said:
He should be on the bench and soon. I hope Jose sees that cause if not we have a big problem.
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Hopefully someone else's!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Well that would be fecking stupid, wouldn't it? What with football being a team game and De Bruyne's performance made easy by the massive gaps between the lines our tactics and lack of discipline gave him to exploit.

Much easier to stick with the "it's all Rooney's fault cos he's shit, innit?" than try and analyse what actually happened, where he was one of very few United players who stood up to be counted (from our starting XI, only him and Luke Shaw did themselves justice. Maybe Bailly too) in a game where we were overrun almost exclusively due to issues beyond his control.

Which isn't to say he's been good in every game this season. He hasn't. But the refusal of so many people to judge individual performances, game by game, is bizarre.
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The defence of Rooney these days basically comes down to "He wasn't great, but he wasn't as bad as others in the team." As if being slightly less rubbish than someone else is an achievement worthy of praise.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Probably blow the redcafe hivemind but Rooney played well against City. Arguably the only player in our starting XI you can say that about.
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I think he needs to go, but I actually thought he looked quite good in the 2nd half (I missed the first.) I thought he showed a lot of drive in spurring on the team (could do without the long balls pumped into the box, but I imagine that was him carrying out the manager's orders.)
 
Wayne is not a no 10, particularly not against opponents who play fast, direct, high-pressing game. His first-touch is far from perfect, so he needs to make an extra-touch or two to move the ball further up the pitch. His legs are also gone, which makes him quite ineffective while counter-attacking. I do not blame Wayne, he is a legend of this club, however, I can not comprehend, how come Mou is still persisting with him.
 
wr8_utd said:
Nah we're not allowed to say he played well since being "not as bad as the others" is not good enough or something of that sort. No point trying to come in and say anything half positive about Rooney in here. You'll be shot down.
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He gets judged differently for a number of reasons.
1. Hes the captain
2. He never got benched by our two former managers, even when he was shite, no other player got that much leeway.
3. Hes on a top player salary
4. Hes been at the club for a long, long time
5. He used to be top 5 (at least) in the world in his position

Rooney get judged more harshly than the majority of the squad, and rightly so. Some people might just be bashing Rooney because they don't like him, but the vast majority only wants what is best for the club. If we aspire to compete with the European elite again we can't have players who play just on old merit alone. Just look at Carrick, hes not performed any worse than Rooney the last three seasons, yet he has been shifted out without it causing a huge fuss.

Rooney is a United legend, but every man and his dog can see that so many years of top level football has taken it's toll. It happens to everyone
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Well that would be fecking stupid, wouldn't it? What with football being a team game and De Bruyne's performance made easy by the massive gaps between the lines our tactics and lack of discipline gave him to exploit.

Much easier to stick with the "it's all Rooney's fault cos he's shit, innit?" than try and analyse what actually happened, where he was one of very few United players who stood up to be counted (from our starting XI, only him and Luke Shaw did themselves justice. Maybe Bailly too) in a game where we were overrun almost exclusively due to issues beyond his control.

Which isn't to say he's been good in every game this season. He hasn't. But the refusal of so many people to judge individual performances, game by game, is bizarre.
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You can join the Mou out thread, I'm sure it's already out there somewhere. But it's too early to blame Mourinho's system for Rooney's shitfullness. And, I'm curious to see what happens next, given that Jose has been shifting Rooney out wide at the end of almost every game.
 
jem said:
I think he needs to go, but I actually thought he looked quite good in the 2nd half (I missed the first.) I thought he showed a lot of drive in spurring on the team (could do without the long balls pumped into the box, but I imagine that was him carrying out the manager's orders.)
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Tbf I missed the first half too (only saw highlights). It's possible he stunk the place out before halftime but he contributed more than most in what little highlights we produced and certainly did well in the second half.
 
Bobcat said:
He gets judged differently for a number of reasons.
1. Hes the captain
2. He never got benched by our two former managers, even when he was shite, no other player got that much leeway.
3. Hes on a top player salary
4. Hes been at the club for a long, long time
5. He used to be top 5 (at least) in the world in his position

Rooney get judged more harshly than the majority of the squad, and rightly so. Some people might just be bashing Rooney because they don't like him, but the vast majority only wants what is best for the club. If we aspire to compete with the European elite again we can't have players who play just on old merit alone. Just look at Carrick, hes not performed any worse than Rooney the last three seasons, yet he has been shifted out without it causing a huge fuss.

Rooney is a United legend, but every man and his dog can see that so many years of top level football has taken it's toll. It happens to everyone
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I think this is a fair summation of this issue; fans are justified in expecting much more from a player on his wage, with his status in the game, what we know he could do and the his protected status.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Tbf I missed the first half too (only saw highlights). It's possible he stunk the place out before halftime but he contributed more than most in what little highlights we produced and certainly did well in the second half.
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He was better in the first half imo.

Idk why but Rooney always seem to up his game against City (and Chelsea) while he always plays worse against Everton (and Liverpool).
 
I fecking laughed pretty badly watching MNF with Phil and Jamie. Both come to a conclusion that United, atleast in big games, indeed should play 433 with Pogba being the most attacking one, the analysis seems more or less spot on and then fecking Rooney happens. Neville claims that he has to play, Carragher's a bit more reluctant but in the end he'd always have him play for Ingurland too.
 
this thread is unbelivable. 4 matches into the season the already 106 pages full of hate :lol:
 
derace said:
this thread is unbelivable. 4 matches into the season the already 106 pages full of hate :lol:
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It's not just down to Rooney's form this season though is it. Its a continuation of his poor form holding the team back for 3 years now. That's where the frustration comes from.
 
derace said:
this thread is unbelivable. 4 matches into the season the already 106 pages full of hate :lol:
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Silly us for expecting match-winning performances from one of the highest-profile players on the planet, against opponents of a better calibre than Hull, Bournemouth and FC Monster Munch of Abyssinia.
 
derace said:
this thread is unbelivable. 4 matches into the season the already 106 pages full of hate :lol:
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What else can you expect? We are here to discuss MUFC, and Rooney getting shoe-horned into the team is the biggest issue that affects how we play as a team. It's not just an individual performance, it's the team performance being affected. And it has been going on for far too long.

While I am sure there are fans out there who may hate him, the great majority of fans think he HAS BEEN a legend, but just needs dropping.
 
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