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dichinero said:
I don't think you're getting the point majority are making; however how Wayne Rooney is playing, the team will look and play better without him in the starting XI. Simples.
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I do get the point. Its based on nothing though. And generally playing your players who are playing well is beneficial as long as you have a coherent formation and nobody is shoehorned in.

We may look better in a 433 with Pogba advanced and Rooney out of the team, I've no way to know, but I don't think we should drop him just for some experiment when every game is important and Pogba isn't playing well.
 
wr8_utd said:
If these many pages are filled up when he's actually been one of our better players, I shudder to think what will happen when he actually plays poorly and has no contribution.
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You've been in the Ibrahimovic thread criticising him, despite the fact he scored and has 4 in 4.

This is the problem you guys have. What you say in different threads exposes your bias here.
 
Dobbs said:
You've been in the Ibrahimovic thread criticising him, despite the fact he scored and has 4 in 4.

This is the problem you guys have. What you say in different threads exposes your bias here.
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And I also did say there that as long as Zlatan is contributing it's fine. I stand by my constant criticism that he was unbelievably selfish and seemed to play more to get one over on Pep than help the team. And being honest, goals and assists aside, Rooney and Ibra have been both not had the greatest of linkup play/touches/passes this season.
 
wr8_utd said:
And I also did say there that as long as Zlatan is contributing it's fine. I stand by my constant criticism that he was unbelievably selfish and seemed to play more to get one over on Pep than help the team. And being honest, goals and assists aside, Rooney and Ibra have been both not had the greatest of linkup play/touches/passes this season.
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OK so you criticised Zlatan after the City game. That's fine, I agree to some extent.

Now quote your criticism of Rooney after the Leicester and Bournemouth games.
 
wr8_utd said:
And I also did say there that as long as Zlatan is contributing it's fine. I stand by my constant criticism that he was unbelievably selfish and seemed to play more to get one over on Pep than help the team. And being honest, goals and assists aside, Rooney and Ibra have been both not had the greatest of linkup play/touches/passes this season.
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That's not really the point I'm making.

How can you complain about the amount of Rooney criticism when you're in the Ibrahimovic thread criticising a guy who scored and has four in four.

It's just a massive contradiction.
 
LouisDanGaal said:
I do get the point. Its based on nothing though. And generally playing your players who are playing well is beneficial as long as you have a coherent formation and nobody is shoehorned in.

We may look better in a 433 with Pogba advanced and Rooney out of the team, I've no way to know, but I don't think we should drop him just for some experiment when every game is important and Pogba isn't playing well.
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Pogba was far better in that game than Rooney. If Pogba isn't playing well than Rooney has been awful.
 
Zlatan has had about one game where he put a similar performance to what Rooney has been showing for years, yet same people who've defending Rooney all this while screaming 'agenda' waste no time in attacking other players
 
fellaini's barber said:
Zlatan has had about one game where he put a similar performance to what Rooney has been showing for years, yet same people who've defending Rooney all this while screaming 'agenda' waste no time in attacking other players
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I can't speak for others but I believe Zlatan and Rooney have been performing at a similar level past 3 games. If anything, Rooney has been slightly better. I don't think either warrant being dropped (yet)
 
shamans said:
I can't speak for others but I believe Zlatan and Rooney have been performing at a similar level past 3 games. If anything, Rooney has been slightly better. I don't think either warrant being dropped (yet)
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Both their overall play has been poor but they're showing end product and hence still in the team. I do think that eventually one of them will need to be dropped as it gets pretty slow with the both of them in the team.
 
wr8_utd said:
Both their overall play has been poor but they're showing end product and hence still in the team. I do think that eventually one of them will need to be dropped as it gets pretty slow with the both of them in the team.
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I don't think their overall play has been poor but just no very spectacular. Could do better for sure.
 
wr8_utd said:
Both their overall play has been poor but they're showing end product and hence still in the team. I do think that eventually one of them will need to be dropped as it gets pretty slow with the both of them in the team.
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Zlatan being our main striker, his job is to keep scoring consistently and it doesn't really matter that much if he is not involved in the overall play. But Rooney plays at no.10 so the whole game flows through him. You can't have a player at the fulcrum of our team who plays bad for 80min and then pops up with an assist or goal sometimes.

His performance against City was quite good though. If he can maintain this level or improve, he'll retain his place. Unless there's a formation change, Rooney's spot in the starting XI is safe for now.
 
I'm one of his biggest critics but he was good against City, nothing great but nothing terrible either.

That being said, I still think we need to adopt a 3 man midfield because it compliments all our best players and Rooney just isn't good enough to warrant handicapping them anymore.

We looked much more fluid and capable when we brought Herrera on.
 
Mourinho will be forced into a decision on Rooney soon enough. Pogba is not playing well in a 4-2-3-1, so our tactics will have to adapt and we will need to start building a team around Pogba, instead of around Rooney. Pogba represents our future, while Rooney was our past.

As a first step, we will start playing 4-3-3 with Rooney being shunted to one wing. That will be the beginning of the end for Rooney.
 
RedStarUnited said:
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Instead of s simple pass to Pogba and City are in trouble, he wants to go long. De Bruyne cuts that pass out, City reload and we go one goal down less than a minute later.

Its these moments and decisions that I simply cannot take. An Ozil/Silva/De Bruyne wouldn't make this mistake.
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Oh dear. We really are going through it again, we're actually plumbing the depths of pedantry for a second time with this "he should have passed it to this guy instead of that guy" micro-analytical nonsense.
 
GifLord said:
Wonder why he didn't go for the long ball to Rashford in this situation

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He is under "pressure". He need no one around him at all and the ball needs to stand perfectly still before he is able to do those balls.
 
GifLord said:
Wonder why he didn't go for the long ball to Rashford in this situation

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Last game he played a longer pass to our attacker and then the criticism was he didn't make the safer pass.

Today he takes a safer (but still attacking pass) route and criticism is he didn't go for the longer
 
What the longest a thread has been in the football forum/United forum? Good chances this thread will beat that record by December
 
LouisDanGaal said:
I do get the point. Its based on nothing though. And generally playing your players who are playing well is beneficial as long as you have a coherent formation and nobody is shoehorned in.

We may look better in a 433 with Pogba advanced and Rooney out of the team, I've no way to know, but I don't think we should drop him just for some experiment when every game is important and Pogba isn't playing well.
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Pogba has had 1 quiet match. Not 3 years of sub-standardness
 
Womp said:
I'm one of his biggest critics but he was good against City, nothing great but nothing terrible either.

That being said, I still think we need to adopt a 3 man midfield because it compliments all our best players and Rooney just isn't good enough to warrant handicapping them anymore.

We looked much more fluid and capable when we brought Herrera on.
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I agree totally with this.

I have always said I actually don't mind him playing wide.
 
shamans said:
I can't speak for others but I believe Zlatan and Rooney have been performing at a similar level past 3 games. If anything, Rooney has been slightly better. I don't think either warrant being dropped (yet)
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Rooney has been at it for about 2 seasons plus now though, yet all you do here is defend him and accuse his critics of having an agenda. I think somone asked you to quote your criticism of Rooney after the Bournemouth and Leicester games since your already having a go at Zlatan
 
jojose said:
I agree totally with this.

I have always said I actually don't mind him playing wide.
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Why though? He's just bout acceptable if he plays on the left he can cut in and cross quite well, but then that's taking away Martial's best position. If he plays on the right he's pretty useless. He's got no pace to beat a man and slow feet, he's rubbish at taking a man on. I just don't see any positives to having him on the wing.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Why though? He's just bout acceptable if he plays on the left he can cut in and cross quite well, but then that's taking away Martial's best position. If he plays on the right he's pretty useless. He's got no pace to beat a man and slow feet, he's rubbish at taking a man on. I just don't see any positives to having him on the wing.
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He can track back and won't be getting in the way of other players as much? Just guessing here really...
 
Rossa said:
He can track back and won't be getting in the way of other players as much? Just guessing here really...
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That's exactly the problem, he bring's nothing positive over Ashley Young or Memphis in that position, so why start him? Just because his name is Rooney.

It really bothers me that we have got to that stage. I respect Rooney and everything he's done at the club, but we should never be playing somebody purely on reputation.
 
Rossa said:
He can track back and won't be getting in the way of other players as much? Just guessing here really...
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Pretty much yeah. I want him out of the starting 11. But if he has to be in it, then id play him wide right. It requires less tactical awareness. It will stop him dropping deep. He does put a decent cross in. He will work up and down.
 
fellaini's barber said:
Rooney has been at it for about 2 seasons plus now though, yet all you do here is defend him and accuse his critics of having an agenda. I think somone asked you to quote your criticism of Rooney after the Bournemouth and Leicester games since your already having a go at Zlatan
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I think it clear as day now that some have an agenda for Rooney FC and against United FC! How's that for an agenda?
 
jojose said:
Pretty much yeah. I want him out of the starting 11. But if he has to be in it, then id play him wide right. It requires less tactical awareness. It will stop him dropping deep. He does put a decent cross in. He will work up and down.
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I like where you are coming from but will it though? If you play him next to the opposition GK, he will still drop deep. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
 
RedStarUnited said:
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Instead of s simple pass to Pogba and City are in trouble, he wants to go long. De Bruyne cuts that pass out, City reload and we go one goal down less than a minute later.

Its these moments and decisions that I simply cannot take. An Ozil/Silva/De Bruyne wouldn't make this mistake.
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Watching the game i thought the same, just play the simple pass. And it happened with other players also, Blind and Bailly seemed to be hitting it longer when there were short passes on.

But to be fair they might have been acting on instructions Mourinho was saying after the game he told them not to play 'short station passes' which i assume means short passes in midfield and defence as City are good at closing down and regaining possession.
 
Adam-Utd said:
That's exactly the problem, he bring's nothing positive over Ashley Young or Memphis in that position, so why start him? Just because his name is Rooney.

It really bothers me that we have got to that stage. I respect Rooney and everything he's done at the club, but we should never be playing somebody purely on reputation.
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You do know I agree with you, right? I wanted him gone four years ago, at the very least.
 
jojose said:
Pretty much yeah. I want him out of the starting 11. But if he has to be in it, then id play him wide right. It requires less tactical awareness. It will stop him dropping deep. He does put a decent cross in. He will work up and down.
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The funny thing is that Rooney has said the only position he is not comfortable playing is wide right. He said he didn't know why, but he couldn't play there, so guess what, let's try him there as well.

He needs to move on. It's that simple.
 
Perrick Dubois said:
Oh dear. We really are going through it again, we're actually plumbing the depths of pedantry for a second time with this "he should have passed it to this guy instead of that guy" micro-analytical nonsense.
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Im super critical when I watch matches and players don't do the 'right' thing. When players lose the ball cheaply it really gets to me. Even Jose said in that first half we lost so many simple passes. It's why I enjoyed Peps Barcelona so much. When that team played, every pass was the right pass, if a player made a run the guy on the ball saw it. Football becomes very simple when you take care of the little details.

Walters_19_MuFc said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with Rooney attempting that pass. City defend very narrow and compact, and win the ball back pretty quickly. I mean, look how narrow Sterling is. Spreading the play would have given Lingard a one vs one against Sagna. Rooney was just too slow to execute the pass.
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Pogba is the best option any time for me in that situation. Say he passes to pogba, Zlatan can then make a run to the right and open the space for a through ball to Lingard or even have the space for himself to attack.
 
He's the definition of an MLS player now, yet is on a world class player wage and status for club and country.
 
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