Wan-Bissaka for sale | joins West Ham

[Insanity]

We'll have to compensate for the pay difference. That's what Maguire wanted too last season. Let's pay him that & get it done. It's important to get ths likes of Lindelof, him, Maguire & McTom out even if we have to take a hit.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

IMO, it is more likely to be an issue surrounding a loyalty bonus than wages. To the extent the publicly available data can be trusted (at least as a rough guideline), West Ham have 10 players making 90k per week or more. They won't have an issue matching his wages.

AWB probably is set to receive a bonus of a few million pounds if he sees out his United contract. Understandably, that goes into his financial calculation and so he wants at least some of that bonus paid to him if he agrees to move clubs.

I doubt United are refusing to pay such a bonus. West Ham are likely playing dirty games in the media. Either to get United to drop the price or because they have insider knowledge of the player set to sign for like Inter and want to paint it as "United & the player's fault" they couldn't secure his signature.

 

[daba]

70k p/w per sportract. I assume West Ham will give him something like 40-50k tops. A 30k p/w delta for a year = 1.5M. ("Multi-million pound pay-off"). I think this one's a done deal with Mazraoui and De Ligt coming in for us.

West Ham are not poor. They are currently paying Paqueta 150k and Bowen 120k per week. AWB would be going in as a senior player so I expect West Ham will be able to at least match his current salary. Personally think this is media driven bullshit/speculation because they have nothing to update and need some Utd clicks.

 

[Rossa]

We are trying to selling when he’s near the end of his contract. His agent knows that if he sits him there for a year he will get a significant signing on fee and a decent wage as a free agent. Probably why they are talking about a sign-off fee

On the other hand, without any game time, his chance of getting a big last pay check will most likely diminish with a new club come next summer.

 

[Drainy]

Greatest post of the year. What?

Your contractual relationship with your former employer is nothing like a footballers unless you're also a professional athlete?

plus you chose to leave for your own reasons, and would have protections in the event they wanted you to leave

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

I'd rather keep AWB as a known quantity who can come in and do a specialist job when required, than to bring in the mooted player who may or may not adapt to the league. With AWB he can ride out his contract, which means we don't get any money back for him, but at the same time we aer not saddling ourselves with a high wage untested injury prone player on a 5 + 1 contract. It feels very Woodwardian to do this. And the fact AWB is not the marauding fullback we want is beside the point, because the player we are bringing in is not that player either.

 

[Gandalf]

I'd rather keep AWB as a known quantity who can come in and do a specialist job when required, than to bring in the mooted player who may or may not adapt to the league. With AWB he can ride out his contract, which means we don't get any money back for him, but at the same time we aer not saddling ourselves with a high wage untested injury prone player on a 5 + 1 contract. It feels very Woodwardian to do this. And the fact AWB is not the marauding fullback we want is beside the point, because the player we are bringing in is not that player either.

I would rather not. In the game against Liverpool we frequently had them penned in and would be left with 1 player in space. The player in space was almost always AWB and that was as Liverpool wanted it, attack after attack died a painful death on his woeful delivery, I cannot watch another season of that.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

I would rather not. In the game against Liverpool we frequently had them penned in and would be left with 1 player in space. The player in space was almost always AWB and that was as Liverpool wanted it, attack after attack died a painful death on his woeful delivery, I cannot watch another season of that.

I can understand that, but buying a player for 5 years on considerable wages who may or may not adapt to the league (Telles, anyone?) could be an own goal. With AWB he can shut down a hot attacker, he offers little going forward everyone knows this, but defensively he's top.

 

[Rossa]

Your contractual relationship with your former employer is nothing like a footballers unless you're also a professional athlete?

plus you chose to leave for your own reasons, and would have protections in the event they wanted you to leave

He’s being presented with an opportunity to still play at the highest level, albeit at a lesser team. He can choose to accept that option and be a guaranteed starter, or he can remain at United and expect minimal game time. The latter will not increase his chances of a great next contract as there aren’t that many interested in him.

He will still get obscene wages, most likely not even less than he currently has.

 

[MadDogg]

No, as I didn’t have millions for doing an actual job. It’s ridiculous. If you want game time, accept you need a move and accept a decrease in income.

That's true if the player is pushing to move. But if it's the club who is actively looking to sell (as it appears in this case) then the player is within their rights to expect their contract to be honoured or to be compensated for at least some of the loss of earnings.

No idea if that is the case here or if it's just media rubbish though.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I would rather not. In the game against Liverpool we frequently had them penned in and would be left with 1 player in space. The player in space was almost always AWB and that was as Liverpool wanted it, attack after attack died a painful death on his woeful delivery, I cannot watch another season of that.

Exactly. Teams have blatantly given him time on the ball at various periods since he's been here because they see little threat.

Look AWB is a decent 1v1 defender (and that aspect has been overrated at times) , he has good pace and can be quite a decent ball carrier but outside of that there's really nothing to his game that will cause the opposition any trouble when we're in possession.

Look, I like my fallbacks to defend well but, especially at United, I dont want them to be ineffective once they pass the halfway line.
How anyone can look at AWB and feel content in him still being at the club having seen the likes of Parker, Neville, Brown and Rafeal all be effective offensive players here is amazing really.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

I can understand that, but buying a player for 5 years on considerable wages who may or may not adapt to the league (Telles, anyone?) could be an own goal. With AWB he can shut down a hot attacker, he offers little going forward everyone knows this, but defensively he's top.

He’s not though. It’s abit of a myth. He’s the best 1v1 defender in football but that’s about it. The third goal against Liverpool showed his defensive weaknesses in full display. He leaves his man at the back post.

 

[Dan_F]

Absolute bullshit can West Ham not afford £70k a week for one year. Even if they want to pay him £50k, which would be a joke, that’s a million pounds difference for one year. Lad needs a new agent.

 

[Plant0x84]

Honestly I call BS on this 'reporting'. AWB is not on high wages, is he? Right below another tweet citing Sky claims West Ham don't expect peronal terms to be a problem..

Watch some of our lovable fans call him a greedy *insert insult* based on this tweet though now.

Five posts too late mate.

 

[GoldanoGraham]

Why do we keep playing him for most of our preseason matches when we are desperately trying to sell him….???

Don’t play him so it’s clear he is not going to be part of the squad and that should be a good enough indication for him.

 

[giorno]

What I don't get is why he's agreeing to move to west ham instead of waiting a year and leaving on a free. Personal reasons?

 

[Idxomer]

What I don't get is why he's agreeing to move to west ham instead of waiting a year and leaving on a free. Personal reasons?

Why does any player with a year left on their contract agree to be sold?

 

[giorno]

Why does any player with a year left on their contract agree to be sold?

usually money, better career prospects, or a poor situation at their current club. None of which appear to apply to Wan-Bissaka

 

[Stobzilla]

usually money, better career prospects, or a poor situation at their current club. None of which appear to apply to Wan-Bissaka

The first one is your answer. Better to secure yourself a 5 year deal on around the same money now than potentially be frozen out and only offered a lower salary and only 2/3 years.

Plus, by all accounts he is still in London a lot and wants to go back.

 

[foolsgold]

Why does any player with a year left on their contract agree to be sold?

Because it's the safest thing to do. A bad injury with a year left on your contract will see you unemployed with no income source. If I was a professional footballer I'd always take the security of the longer contract, even at slightly lower wages. Lots of people talk as if a footballers career is secure, but the truth is they are ever only 1 bad tackle away from being finished.

 

[giorno]

The first one is your answer. Better to secure yourself a 5 year deal on around the same money now than potentially be frozen out and only offered a lower salary and only 2/3 years.

That's my point though, it doesn't look like he'd be frozen out if he stays and his prospects on a free should be a lot better than West Ham. Clubs that want to win the CL would value his 1vs ability on the right quite high, when winning the CL seems to go through having to beat Vinicius. Worst case scenario, he'd get offers from clubs like West Ham. Possibly paying more, too, since he's on a free. Only reason leaving now that makes sense from that angle would be job security... edit @foolsgold beat me to it

Plus, by all accounts he is still in London a lot and wants to go back.

Yeah, that makes more sense

 

[Based Adnan]

That's my point though, it doesn't look like he'd be frozen out if he stays and his prospects on a free should be a lot better than West Ham. Clubs that want to win the CL would value his 1vs ability on the right quite high, when winning the CL seems to go through having to beat Vinicius. Worst case scenario, he'd get offers from clubs like West Ham. Possibly paying more, too, since he's on a free. Only reason leaving now that makes sense from that angle would be job security... edit @foolsgold beat me to it

Yeah, that makes more sense

Wouldn't those same clubs be in for him now if that was the case?

 

[giorno]

Wouldn't those same clubs be in for him now if that was the case?

He's too expensive right now. On a free it's a different story. He has never actually faced the likes of Vinicius, Mbappé or Musiala to claim he can actually stop them. On a free it's "this guy is exceptional 1vs1 defender, very cheap, might come in handy if/when we end up facing a Madrid or Bayern etc and we might need a genuine stopper on the right otherwise we're in deep and hungry waters"

very different considerations than having to sign him from United

 

[Doracle]

AWB is not joining a champions league chasing club. I like him but he just isn’t good enough overall and having exceptional 1 on 1 defensive skills isn’t sufficient.

The reality is that a West Ham is a good level for him. He should play week in week out and will get a good contract with them. It’s a great move for him given that he hasn’t kicked on as hoped.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[IrishRedDevil]

We need this to happen asap.

This is the domino for De Light and Mazra.

 

[Rolaholic]

Oh FFS





This summer has taken a turn these last few weeks and not for the better...

Let's see if Inter might bite for a Dumfries swap now

 

[ThanksBoss26]

Telegraph reporting this is stalling and West Ham are exploring a move for Trippier.

Going from bad to worse for us in the market at the moment.

 

[BluesJr]

Are any of these players really for sale? Just not buying it given everyone is backing away. The prices we are asking is too much. I know we all want to get better at selling but the squad is in a critically horrible state. This is not the time to squabble over £5m.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

It's the clubs fault but will hurt my head seeing this sorry excuse of a footballer continue to collect his excessive wages and waddle around the pitch for one more season. Terrible player.

 

[FrankDrebin]

AWB, McTom, Sancho, Antony and Casemiro will all be here after the TW closes.

 

[Josep Dowling]

That's true if the player is pushing to move. But if it's the club who is actively looking to sell (as it appears in this case) then the player is within their rights to expect their contract to be honoured or to be compensated for at least some of the loss of earnings.

No idea if that is the case here or if it's just media rubbish though.

Curious why United have to act holier than thou with their players? Chelsea haven’t even given Kepa and Lukaku a shirt number this season. Told players that have been at the club for 20 years they aren’t part of future plans and weren’t selected for the US tour. I’m not suggesting the club should act this harshly but there is no way we should be paying a leaving player the difference in salary, it doesn’t happen any where else.

 

[BluesJr]

AWB, McTom, Sancho, Antony and Casemiro will all be here after the TW closes.

I really thought this new regime would be pretty aggressive. So disappointed. They’ve been so naive in thinking clubs would pay out for these absolute dud players.

 

[Zed is not dead]

I really thought this new regime would be pretty aggressive. So disappointed. They’ve been so naive in thinking clubs would pay out for these absolute dud players.

So you think getting rid of 5 players while se already have a thin squad is a good idea?

 

[Gandalf]

Telegraph reporting this is stalling and West Ham are exploring a move for Trippier.

Going from bad to worse for us in the market at the moment.

It is a decent source but this would indicate that West Ham are going for a very short term strategy in terms of transfers, splashing cash on aging players. They have already paid over the odds for Fulkrug and I cannot imagine Newcastle would sell Trippier for any less than we want for AWB and he is positively ancient, plus its a decent bet he is on a bigger wage than Aaron. I still think this gets done in the end.

 

[BluesJr]

So you think getting rid of 5 players while se already have a thin squad is a good idea?

Yes I do, because they’re rubbish and you need to move on. I would disagree that getting rid of them would impact us negatively in any way, providing incomings happened which is what would happen.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Our club gives players the impetus to stay because we reward them for not accepting moves by generously giving them minutes.

Why would he not see out his final year when he knows that he'll get plenty of games and that we're historically silly enough to grant extensions to preserve market value.

 

[Hoof the ball]

So you think getting rid of 5 players while se already have a thin squad is a good idea?

But we can't add to that thin squad unless we sell.

 

[Zed is not dead]

Yes I do, because they’re rubbish and you need to move on. I would disagree that getting rid of them would impact us negatively in any way, providing incomings happened which is what would happen.

Incomings would happen with what money exactly?

Who would play instead of them if you fail to recruit? Kids? Will you have the patience to see them being inconsistent performers?

it doesn’t make sense to just get rid of players for the sake of it, especially if selling them wouldn’t help you raise funds to replace them. Ffs Gallagher went for 40+ m£, who do you think we could buy for 25m that would be an upgrade on Casemiro or McTominay? Who would replace AWB for 15m when we already played most of last season with only 1 natural fullback?

 

[Zed is not dead]

But we can't add to that thin squad unless we sell.

There’s a difference between selling and a clear out.

Clearly people just want blood and see bodies out the door