Maybe Booth is a stage prop and never really existed.
Vitali Klitschko v Dereck Chisora
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Frank Warren is a puppet master.....everything you've just seen is just a puppet show tbh.
Maybe the bottle didn't smash? I didn't see Haye's hand though so couldn't say for sure.
This is the shot where the bottle shatters isn't it?
Are you telling me that's made of glass?
Or it isn't Zen? Because Warren was there this means no actual fight can ever break out because he is the puppet master?
This is the shot where the bottle shatters isn't it?
Are you telling me that's made of glass?
It doesn't look like it's shattering, just spraying liquid everywhere.
I would assume it's glass, yes.
So, with that force, the part of the bottle in Haye's hand didn't shatter at all, causing serious injuries to his hand? Ok Hectic!
His face looks like he's blowing him a kiss....clearly no real force in that effort either imo.
I can't believe we're even debating this to be honest. It's a boxing press conference and a fight broke out between two men trying to sell a future match... whatever next!
Yes, I believe that to be the case, or if it does shatter, it's not happening in that image.
We don't have to agree Weaste, it's okay.
We don't have to agree Weaste, it's okay.
Just seen the footage on sky news, did Haye hit his own trainer with the camera tripod?
The best bit of that entire video was Chisora telling Booth to tell Haye:
"his entourage ain't got nothing on my entourage"
Now that's fighting talk.
"his entourage ain't got nothing on my entourage"
Now that's fighting talk.
I'm not saying that the whole thing was staged with both parties involved, but there is no way that bottle was made out of glass. It doesn't make sense for many different reasons.
It seems so. Why was a tripod just hanging around in any case?
Re the bottle being glass, there was certainly a glass bottle rolling around on the floor after the initial confrontation, it could quite clearly be heard in the video.
It's a pointless debate really, and both sides seem to have set views on this which aren't likely to change, but I don't understand the above (if I've understood it correctly). Obviously it's more likely for an incident like this to be staged, as they often are within Boxing. However, just because a fight breaks out at a boxing press conference, it's not automatically staged purely because it's a common result. I'm sure everyone posting in here is well aware how promotions work and the need to sell fights outside of the ring, but it's not a foregone conclusion every time, which is how this seems to be seen.
The worst thing about this though is that this is all on Haye and Chisora, two boxers who really shouldn't be taking up anyone's thoughts, let alone time.
Why not? Do you think it's impossible for Haye to have punched him without it breaking? We can't even gauge how hard the punch is for a start. We also only have one image of it, and a video which isn't clear in regards to the bottle - it could have smashed afterward or not at all, or perhaps Haye's hand was cut which we haven't seen yet?
Because it is such a common promotional tactic, the default assumption has to be that it is staged, unless there is a really compelling reason to think it's not.
They aren't that good at acting. They can barely box for feck sakes.
As a professional boxer, where your hands are rather important, would you risk punching something holding a glass bottle, rather than dropping it or putting it down first?
Why did he have water in a glass bottle in the first place instead of a plastic one? Come on, he's not in a restaurant here.
Didn't look like water to me Weaste.
If it was staged, what would Haye's reason be for staging it? He wants to fight Vitali not Chisora but now he almost has to fight Chisora first as a result of that brawl and therefore can't get Vitali unless he beats Chisora.
That doesn't seem to be a decent argument for why it shouldn't be debated, or why it is obvious it's staged at all. You're just applying loads of past instances of something and saying it's likely to be the case. Of course it's more likely, but it's also a clear possiblity it wasn't staged, and to be honest, how common a promotional tactic it is aside, this didn't look like that at all.
Money, helps build up the potential Vitali fight, Vitali is also unlikely to want to fight Haye so Haye has to earn his stripes first.
I'd drop it, but then I'm not a boxer, and thankfully not David Haye. Hell, if I was a professional Boxer I wouldn't have done any of that in the video, but I'm not. If the bottle is real, should Haye have dropped it for safety reasons - Of course, but does that mean the bottle is fake - of course it doesn't. It just confirms what we all knew before this happened, that Haye is mildly retarded.
I don't think it's water, and you're now stumbling onto conspiracy here. I'm sure if it was staged and the bottle was a fake, they would have got the contents and bottle make-up correct anyway.
I imagine that's exactly what it looked like to him. I very much doubt he's alluding to the incident being staged, but rather saying it's a mockery in a place where it isn't needed.
Weaste's about to ask why liquid is stored in a bottle next!
This brawl was still better than either of their fights with the Klitschko's.
ye I think he's fecked up the most because out of both of them he does look the worst of the two, he has no real business being in there either.
It could be staged, it could not be there's arguments for both. What's obvious about it though is they've all benefited from it. Frank Warren's glee at offering the fight was obvious to see as well, he was dying to get in the Vitali clause of the winner of their fight. Everyone has won here really. Chisora get's his biggest pay day out of a Haye fight, Haye gets 2 more pay days with Chisora then Vitali, Warren makes a fortune and Vitali makes a lot of money off a David Haye fight.
Without a doubt, which I think makes it easier to call it staged, as it has worked out in all their favour. Haye coming off as an even bigger cnut than usual is irrelevant, as everyone already knows it.
If two boxers wanted to fight they could just turn up at each other's gym and brawl to their heart's content... but it always happens at press conferences in front of the cameras before being broken up. Funny that.
Maybe because cameras at press conferences are often mounted on tripods.
Did he take the camera off the tripod first?
There is no way that a boxer would attempt to punch someone with a glass bottle in his hand.
I suspect the photographer probably did once Chisora stood up and started walking towards Haye, knowing that he'd be wanting to take some freehand shots. Pretty much all the photographers there were holding the cameras above their heads and just holding their fingers down to capture as many shots as possible.
Staged or not, embarrasing.
I've woke up to this and have no idea what happened, except what I've heard and the mental image I have is mainly hilarious, but in terms of boxing and respect for the sport and the behaviour you should exemplify it would appear some people have thrown that out of the window and decided it's fine to be a complete and utter disgrace at every turn.
It's important to have dignity in boxing or else it turns into violent farce.
It's important to have dignity in boxing or else it turns into violent farce.
Heavyweight boxing stopped being a sport a long time ago. It's just entertainment now.
You can't really separate sport from entertainment anyway, it's a key element of any sport, or else it'd be darts.
In saying that, you're correct in the degree that it's become as much pantomime, as pound-a-guy. What the feck did I just say.
In saying that, you're correct in the degree that it's become as much pantomime, as pound-a-guy. What the feck did I just say.