He is better than any of City's CBs. Kompany is anyways injured all the time.
Virgil van Dijk | VVD throws a hissy fit
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He is better than any of City's CBs. Kompany is anyways injured all the time.
VVD has played in a system with two defensive midfielders and where every player defends. City play maybe with one defensive midfielder and sometimes only 1 CB. It makes their CB look way worse than they actually are. Both Stones and Otamendi looked better in other teams.
Stones looked same in Everton also, too many mistakes.
I guess we'll see. Happy to pay £70m. Not my money
If they sell to Liverpool, it's just a joke really. I don't mind that Liverpool get the player, that's not hugely concerning..but you'd think after that whole tapping-up affair going public, Southampton would have the balls to hold Liverpool back in their pursuit and not give in to player power.
I think any player who signs a contract should sign with clauses stating they must serve x amount of years as a minimum unless there is a release clause triggered. He was happy to ensure Southampton are bound by contractual terms to pay him for six years!
I think any player who signs a contract should sign with clauses stating they must serve x amount of years as a minimum unless there is a release clause triggered. He was happy to ensure Southampton are bound by contractual terms to pay him for six years!
I know we've all joked about this again and again but it really would've been cheaper for Liverpool to just buy Southampton Football Club 5 years ago 
Damn good player. Would hate to see him at Liverpool
After signing 6 Southampton players, can Liverpool really be surprised if they finish the season roughly where Southampton do? 7th next season, mark my words.
Is this the economics thread or the VVD thread?
I know we've all joked about this again and again but it really would've been cheaper for Liverpool to just buy Southampton Football Club 5 years ago
No what I don´t get is why the biggest teams don´t poach the whole scouting/youth departments from clubs like Schalke, Southampton, Benfica, Monaco or Dortmund. How much can the whole scouting/youth department of Monaco cost annually, if you throw the big bucks at them? Maybe €10M.
Yeah but in a better team he will have less defending to do. These teams dominate possession
Hmm, not quite the allure of 6th for me.
He's a very good player and if Liverpool get him there defense will be massively improved.
His behaviour is pretty shitty though.
His behaviour is pretty shitty though.
I believe Rojo did it, too. Seems to be the way things work nowadays. For some players, anyway. They are happy to sign long term contracts for big money, but happier still to ignore that and attempt to force a move when it suits. It's completely unprofessional.
I have no respect for any player that does it. If they do it once, they'll do it again if they get what they deem to be a better offer.
Same with Monaco 12 months ago!I know we've all joked about this again and again but it really would've been cheaper for Liverpool to just buy Southampton Football Club 5 years ago
Agreed, I can understand wanting a move away, and there's nothing wrong with pushing for a move, I just can't stand it when a player downs tools to force the move. Like you said, if they do it once then it's entirely plausible they'll do it again.
Nah money only comes into it when Perisic or Matic are brought up.
Thankfully most of the posts were moved to here: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/is-...l-doomsday-scenario-posts-here-please.431038/
Brilliant idea whatever mod did that
I'm shocked City didn't sign him this summer
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out after Southampton reporting Liverpool for the illegal approach. Did Southampton not drop the case because Liverpool said they won't pursue VVD? Unless Southampton's mind has changed seeing Van Dijk's recent reaction. Can see Liverpool having to pay a massive fee to get him now.
The amount of defending isn't a big problem. Plenty of good teams win games by defending for most of the match. City defend poorly as a team and their defense is often exposed which makes it so much harder for CBs.
Well you can, especially if their preference is utter bs anyway.
Modric tried the same bs a few years ago. Declaring that he could only possibly stay in London and go to Chelsea and that he wouldn't go elsewhere.
This was a very very clear plan by his team and Chelsea to try and lowball us, which was met with very much the appropriate response by Levy.
Years later, Modric seems to be happy enough in Madrid and isn't agitating for a move back to the only city he could ever live in. Strange.
Similarly, I'm sure Van Dijk, a dutchman with no links to the UK, hasn't suddenly decided that the only club and only city he could ever play for in his life, will be Liverpool. I'm sure he'd also be able to get over it if he lived and played in Manchester or London.
It is such a silly tactic.
He is reportedly rejoining first team training.
Nope you can't force a player and his family to move somewhere they don't want to...
That's not even the finer details of employment law... it's more about the club not actually owning the players as slaves
Choosing not to sell a player and making them see out their contract is not the same as forcing them to move somewhere they don't want to go
Well I think that's just a difference in wording of our statements.
No we couldn't force Modric and his family to join a team playing in the Mongolian Steppe or in Baghdad. We were able however to reject his strange demand that he could only ever play for Chelsea and stay in London, only for him and his family to have a change of heart over a season and realise that Madrid and Real actually weren't too bad for his career or lifestyle either.
So no, Southampton can't force Van Dijk to go somewhere he doesn't want to. I imagine his request that the only club he can join though is Liverpool is nonsense. And that he'd be able to make his peace playing for Man City or Chelsea. Or if not, Southampton can tell him that he'll be staying in Southampton next season instead?
As a side note, what is this recent obsession with equating football players with slaves? Its complete nonsense and almost borderline offensive to suggest these players, with incredible salaries and rights as opposed to the majority of normal workers, are slaves in any way (not just referring to your comment).
Probably Ronaldo declaring he was a slave in 2008 as he tried to push through the Madrid move
I think that was Blatter. Ronaldo just agreed with him.
Southampton kept Schneiderlin in similar circumstances. VVD is wasting his own time.
It's a done deal, go to the bookies on this one. Allegedly.
To who, Liverpool?
If you look at it from a different perspective on the slave part, yes they are earning obscene amount of money to play football but you must not forget how many people are directly or indirectly involved into his cash flow. You have managers, advisors, family members (e.g. see soon Neymar father) or downright mobsters (Tevez, Mascherano) as 3rd parties or club owners/management (Di Maria case) influencing the players next career move. So I would argue that there can be cases when a player is forced to do a move he doesn't want to do because other involved parties find it benefiting them. Surely they are not slaves but definitely you could make a case for golden cage comparison sometimes.
That may well be the case but I think its fair to say that that is an infinitely better state of affairs than the majority of normal workers, even in the Western world, never mind the actual workers around the world working in slave conditions (or still literal slaves).
Instead, we have players earning tens of thousands to play football and who can refuse to play, go on strike etc, still get paid and usually force a move to where they want.
Come to think of it, you're right, I don't recall hearing it before the Ronaldo comments.
Allegedly. B20 said so
Southampton coach Mauricio Pellegrino says that Virgil van Dijk will not be leaving for Liverpool this summer.
Doesn't actually say that in the quotes though - not that I am convinced in anyway we are signing him.
Calling him boy twice in 3 sentences is pretty stupid considering he is 26 years old in fairness. ( I am not suggesting any racial nonsense of any sort either).
It's common lingo in football. 'The boy', 'the lad', that's just how they talk.
True but its still utterly daft though.
TBF he has acted like a boy
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