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Virgil van Dijk | VVD throws a hissy fit
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Not sure the fee carries quite the weight it once could have. We are now entering a period where transfer figures are so enormous that £60m isn't particularly outlandish.
On a broader point, fans seems obsessed about what players are worth and not worth. Genuinely, given the state of the market I don't think actual "worth" is an easy concept to grasp.
I think so
Yet there has only ever been 6 transfers in the history of football that are above that threshold. Go figure.
People should just relax. It's all silly money now anyway, none of it ours. You can ask some broader questions about the viability of football continuing this way, but having a mental breakdown over any individual fee is a bit daft.
Yet the climate makes it feel almost normal. By next summer I think that number will have at least trebled. Go figure that...
Zero chance of Everton buying Vvd. They will have to be dumb to spend 90m on cbs.
exactly this. it's the most baffling and petty thing in the world (footballing) to have a kerfuffle with opposition fans over . Yeah fees are huge and yeah some clubs have more money than others, notably PL ones but let's just wait and see what happens. I mean yeah I get there used to be something romantic amount doing a Leicester/Dortmund but challenging at the very very top that isn't sustainable clubs have to invest .
I certainly don't give a shit and I'm not going to laud FSG for us getting 4th with a positive net spend it was borderline squad suicide and if they fail in this make or break summer things will go south very quickly.
Very much this. Your past season has set this up as a perfect opportunity for a statement season, spend heavily now and close the gap that has developed between you and the top clubs (in terms of recent achievement and league position) the last few years.
A few more years of penny pinching and the gap will be very hard to close.
Liverpool few weeks ago..... "We respect Southampton's position and can confirm we have ended any interest in the player." (translated as we don't want a transfer ban).
They've let it cool down but I'd bet good money they're in discussions to buy him in next 2 weeks.
They can't come out of this looking good but what football club is arsed about public perception any more?
They've let it cool down but I'd bet good money they're in discussions to buy him in next 2 weeks.
They can't come out of this looking good but what football club is arsed about public perception any more?
Why is it bollocks and how do you know he wouldn't fancy it there? Just because that's not what you want to happen? Funny way to start an argument by shouting 'bollocks'!
Because that isn't what you said. Quote : If they pay the price required, player will go there. That's a categorical. It doesn't leave room for options. That's why I said your comment was bollocks, which it was.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Player has two option if a club accepts an offer, either move or stay put. I said if Everton meet Southampton demands, player will move there. Your response was Quote: He won't go there if he doesn't fancy it.
So again back to my original point, how do you know he won't fancy it?
Funny way of convincing yourself that a player which your club wanted to buy but hilariously fecked up won't move to your closest rival.
Exactly, these days club try to sort out personal terms with the player first and then try to agree upon a fee with the club. I just said that imo Everton is a step up from Saints, their recruiting this summer tells you about their ambition. If none of the CL clubs go for him, he'll move their provided Everton can meet Saints demands.
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To be fair, if Everton agree a price for him with Southampton then personal terms will be a formality. There's no way Everton will be bidding blindly on him only to find out if he is interested or not if a bid is accepted.
Everton will have spoken to his agent already and figured out if they are on the same page. That's the standard practice these days, it's a bit like having your manager text him sweet nothings and promises every day only completely legal and in no way bat shit crazy.
I am clearly not the one being obtuse. Read back your own posts and my response and it should click ... or maybe it won't.Are you being deliberately obtuse? Player has two option if a club accepts an offer, either move or stay put. I said if Everton meet Southampton demands, player will move there. Your response was Quote: He won't go there if he doesn't fancy it.
So again back to my original point, how do you know he won't fancy it?
Funny way of convincing yourself that a player which your club wanted to buy but hilariously fecked up won't move to your closest rival.
Exactly, these days club try to sort out personal terms with the player first and then try to agree upon a fee with the club. I just said that imo Everton is a step up from Saints, their recruiting this summer tells you about their ambition. If none of the CL clubs go for him, he'll move their provided Everton can meet Saints demands.
That really wasn't the debate though. Obviously if an official bid is only launched when agent/new club are on the same page, leaving only a fee and personal details to be sorted. Everyone is responding to spurious media reports.
Let's face it, every transfer fee is ridiculous... in a world where players can be bought and sold for more money than the average person will make in their lifetime, I don't see why fans feel the need to point score over a transfer fee.
Honestly, I couldn't care less what we spend as it's not my cash and the game is getting so out of touch with working class fans, what does it really matter anymore?
Honestly, I couldn't care less what we spend as it's not my cash and the game is getting so out of touch with working class fans, what does it really matter anymore?
I always thought rival fans registered here to have a sensible discussion but you keep taking jibes unnecessarily and still don't respond to my point why do you think he won't fancy going there.
It was blatantly obvious that he was saying in the situation Everton paid the required transfer fee the player would opt to move, not that he would be obliged to move. From reading the exchange just now it very much seems as though you are being obtuse.
What this got to do with working class??
How dare you suggest something like that? This game is as true to its working class roots as ever. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to read the details of Lukaku's Hollywood court case and check out Memphis' new hip hop duet with Rio Ferdinand.
Do you have sky sports? If so we are all partly responsible for the stupid money in football considering we pay ridiculous amounts to watch it in the first place.
Us paying for sky turns out to be a large chunk of a clubs finances.
Don't think fans think of that. It's the TV package that is paying for these fees and wages. If nobody bought Sky then the PL would need to look elsewhere for their money. Trouble is some other company would pay for it and then another subscription would be needed. They have football fans exactly where they want them. Shelling out money.
I definitely agree with you. I think a lot of it is stoked by football analysts who spend a lot of time discussing player prices and if a player is "worth the money" being paid for them, and that in turn leads to fans discussing it a lot, particularly opposition fans.
For example, I saw one of the espn people tweet about lukaku, something along the lines of 100 million for a player that wouldn't get into a real or Barca starting line up, and subsequent to it people quoting the tweet and discussing it. If so much fuss wasn't made about player prices in the media, then fans would take less notice of it.
I think people fail to grasp one simple concept of football transfers, that is the value of a player is determined by what the two clubs say he is worth. Nothing more. There is no scale to say x player was worth this, so y player is worth more or less.
No I don't, I use Kodi. The costs for Sky were/are getting out of hand. The only money I put into the club these days are £30 a year membership and the cost of cup tickets. Stopped going to league games regularly a couple of seasons back. I love my club but I love my family more and the money spent on football was ridiculous
I really don't see anything wrong with that, at all.
Afterall, football is the most popular sport by quite a long way in the world and the demand for it is growing all the time.
You two clearly deserve one another. You are wrong. To the contrary, he made a definitive statement. If you think that isn't the case then go back and quote me where he introduced a qualifier in that original post ? Or are we supposed to just assume people actually mean something other than that which they have written, as you have done (with the benefit of hindsight and his clarifying posts).
I didn't introduce the fancy/doesn't fancy, you did ! I simply stated your original post was not ambiguous, it was a definitive statement and that therefore I was then clearly insinuating there is more to it than having the highest bid. You would not be the first to assume that making the highest bid leaves the player without options.
Anyway Goddamn this is a boring debate about nothing. Moving on.
Haha and that's how to introduce levity
I'm not sure why Everton need to spend so much on another defender. For the amount of money required to get van Dijk they could get a real difference maker in the attacking positions, which I think they're more in need of after selling Lukaku. Unless they think Rooney is that player, of course.
I'd feel sorry for them if that's the case.
Okay, just to clarify. Virgil van Dijk is only interested in Liverpool. He has indicated this when both Chelsea and Manchester City approached him. He was "sold" a dream by Klopp which also includes the club captaincy at some point. So, regardless of whether Everton meets Southampton's valuation or not, van Dijk wouldn't even be interested in speaking with them as they don't offer CL (one of the reasons why van Dijk wants to join Liverpool)
Wow, that type of statement will only make liverpool sound desperate to sign him and klopps balls are firmly in southamptons hand now. Go ahead ask 80mil ya lucky basterds..
Who told you this? Conte, Pep, Klopp or van Dijk himself?
He is van dijk. Plot twist
No. Only Liverpool were interested in him enough to bid. How do you know that fans of your clubs, who own a computer and a twitter account, didn't invent the Man City and Chelsea interest to feel better about themselves?
Also, where are Chelsea and Man City now?
Thanks for the clarification. Care to post some reliable sources to this end?
Who will be in a right mind will want to join "only" to liverpool. Lol.. They really think they are top tier aren't they.
Liverpool need to qualify whilst Chelsea and City don't.
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