Nice jinx there
He did make a decent amount of headers, though.
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He did make a decent amount of headers, though.
Tbf its a great cross. He was never going to get it. Welbeck was 100% AWB's man.Nice jinx there
He isn’t remotely good enough in the long term.
Wan-Bissaka and Shaw don’t cover themselves in glory but Lindelof finding himself underneath a cross into the box might as well make it onto a sweepstake.
Thought he was great tonight, need to watch their goal back to see if there was anything he could have done, but was on the ball a lot and passing forward rather than shirking the responsibility. Also won a good few headers barring the goal obviously.
Negative - we concede an alarming number of goals/chances when crosses land between AWB and Lindelöf. Can’t work out whether it’s one or both at fault but it happens too often to be coincidence.
Positive - some “proper CB” headers in there at times tonight from long balls into the CFs. Nice to see he’s improved that area of his game
Positive - some “proper CB” headers in there at times tonight from long balls into the CFs. Nice to see he’s improved that area of his game
Funny how it’s due to the collective’s performance when talking about the fact that we have one of the best defenses in the league but whenever we concede it’s always Lindelöf’s fault.
Except for the goal I thought he did mostly well and didn't put a foot wrong most of time.
Thought he was really good, looked really strong in the air as well.
What’s your point?
My point is that Maguire needs a proper partner and that it isn’t Lindelof. I’m absolutely right in saying that.
AWB loses his man an incredible amount of times, and invariably Lindelof receives part of the blame for it. If AWB actually does his job, then no one even mentions it. He's so poor positionally. As a CB, you should expect your FB to be able to do the basics of defending a cross.
My point is that you’re a whiner who doesn’t make sense. You’re also wrong.
You may or may not be right. Your timing for having a go at him is woeful though. He played well tonight.
I have no idea who was more at fault for the goal, but how many have we conceded with headers in between him and AWB.
I am right. He’s out of position for the goal conceded and being underneath crosses is a regular problem of his. I’ll be sure to tag you the next time he does this. I trust you’re clever enough to keep an eye out for it yourself.
Basically this. Its quite weird that Lindelof and AWB absolved in these situations.
Harsh to blame him for the goal imo. He looked massively improved in the air as well. A lot more aggressive.
I think it's because plenty of posters have decided he isn't good enough, and are actively looking for faults, as opposed to actually crediting him for his performances. That includes highlighting every small error he makes, which is made by every player multiple times a game, and diluting what he does well by giving credit to our players as well as Lindelof. He's been really, really good for a while now.
He wasnt out of position
If he was in position then the ball doesn’t go over his head. Watch Maguire: it’s simple stuff. He’s hardly ever caught under it.
The ball also went over Maguires head does that mean he is out of position?
Maguire is beyond the near post. Lindelof is covering the space for the near post run and center, the cross is deeper than this. AWB is with Wellbeck and covering the run coming in from the back post. Wellbeck scores
I credit his good performances. His second half was a good one. But he’s underneath the ball as usual and it costs us goals. Wan-Bissaka is also part of the issue. Shite in the air, the pair of them.
Dude the ball was always going far post to the AWB/Welbeck duel. This happens all the time to all center backs when a flat cross aimed for far post just goes over their head. You can't magically just increase your heading range.
This is actually your assessment of the situation? I think I’ll call it a day. I mean, I know it isn’t, but it’s a rubbish starting point.
That's flawed logic. Most back post crosses go over the CB. A lot of CFs have made it an art to play off the FB for this very reason. Lindelof is defending his area. AWB is supposed to be defending his. If he gets beaten by someone that's not particularly good in the air, then it's on him.
Harsh to completely blame him for the goal, but nothing wrong at all with pointing out he was partly responsible for a passage of poor defending
Lindelof isn't shit in the air. He's not great, but he's not shit either.
I'm not sure whether Lindelof perhaps could have done a bit better on the goal, but it was definitely mostly on AWB.
Perfect summary this.
Nice jinx there
Its exactly as the post says. He can make a decent number of headers per game vs other CBs who arent known for their heading, but its still his weakness and where he makes the most mistakes. Like he did today
Definitely not arguing against that but I still think Lindelof could maybe do more. Didn’t seem to quite be set for the cross and didn’t really get off the ground. I think AWB thought Lindelof was going to get a touch.
It's almost always like that, it became a parody. BTW I think he's getting better lately but still with a mistake in him he's nowhere near good enough. Really the least what you can ask from defender is being reliable.. Victor is reliably mistake prone. After more than 100 games you could make a decent CB with an odd mistake out of Tom Thorpe. But yeah he can stay fit unlike none of our other CBs bar Harry Maguire.
You arent sure if a CB misjudging the flight of a ball and a 6'2 striker getting on the end of it is the CB or RB's fault?
Put it this way. Name 5 right backs in the premier league that would beat a 6'2 striker in the air to the cross.
Its easy to name 10 CBs. Because its the CB's job to deal with boxes into the middle of the goal.
yeah I dont know what that means anymore. The leeway some give him all the time you'd think he was the CB version of Zlatan.If we hadn't seen this happen multiple times this season, then perhaps that could be the case. But AWB has been caught flat footed so often this season. He has no technique in the air and seems a bit flabbergasted by where he's meant to be to challenge for a aerial ball. Even when he's under no pressure he looks awkward when headering it.
He was way better vs Milan & City. I was nervous about him today, can't deny, but Maguire was there to help and thank fook for that.
Needs to play - simple as that. Everyone's injured.
Needs to play - simple as that. Everyone's injured.
He gets sucked in and is therefore stuck in no man’s land. Hence the ball goes over his head. Wan-Bissaka is shit at tracking runner, which is the main reason we concede. Both players have issues to sort out when it comes to crosses and it costs us regularly, like I said.
I think a slightly taller centre half with a better leap would have just got a nick on that and diverted it away.
So I wouldn't really chalk that up as an error, he made the leap, it didn't appear obviously mistimed, he just didn't have it in his locker - which we know is one of his downsides compared to some defenders.
However it not being an obvious error doesn't preclude a finding that it isn't really good enough for a United defender to be this deficient aerially be honest, it's a pretty soft one.
So I wouldn't really chalk that up as an error, he made the leap, it didn't appear obviously mistimed, he just didn't have it in his locker - which we know is one of his downsides compared to some defenders.
However it not being an obvious error doesn't preclude a finding that it isn't really good enough for a United defender to be this deficient aerially be honest, it's a pretty soft one.
He’s always tends to play better in the bigger games.
Lindelof is no mug; he’d look great in Spain, and sometimes looks great in England. But he’s an issue for us, no two ways about it.
I blame the tactics more than the players today. AWB should have done better but our setup allowed their strikers to come in from wide unopposed. Doesnt matter who the defender is, strikers getting a free run at you like that is near impossible to defend against. Lindelof was where he was supposed to be.
This is what I said in the match day thread:
As others have said, he was caught in no man's land after getting being well positioned to deal with it. It's just a fundamental and consistent flaw. There's no denying it.
Pogba's, AWB's and Shaw's involvement in the goal should of course be highlighted too.
As for Lindelof, personally I thought he was almost annoymous until the last 10 mins of the game where he made some decent headers. Other than that, it felt like Maguire had twice the amount of influence on and off the ball.
I can't believe people watch them both play together and think it's a 'good' partnership when the disparity of actual quality between them two is so wide. If Lindelof had a 'good' game, then Maguire was perfect.
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